Police act swiftly after gun purchases

reply to post by seagull


Then it leads to the question of what do you do? I mean you are damned if you do and damned if you don't in this case (if he did go off). Is it not better to err on the side of caution in this case?

Suppose the man was of no harm and they find out that he was of no harm. And we pay him say $50K for false imprisonment as a "sorry pal". Is that not infinitely better than the consequences if he did mean harm. That the police were aware of his purchases and did nothing to prevent it?

I personally have faced the prospect of killing a complete stranger with my bare hands (that I found asleep beside me in my bed at 5am). Knew exactly how I was going to do it too. He was asleep, never would have had the chance to fight back. But I stopped to interrogate. Quickly figured out he was drunk and he had made a huge mistake and was terrified that I was just going to kill him.

I shrugged, said something akin to no harm, no foul and actually introduced myself and shook the man's hand. (you'd really have to know me to get that part). But still I was left of nightmarish visions of what I would have done. I mean heavy gore and bits of brain on my pillow type of visions. For about two weeks, awake or asleep, day or night.

Sorry, but I have to hand it up to police here for doing the responsible thing. Yes, I would hate for it to happen to me or anyone I knew. Heck, they may even get the wrong kind of gun inspection from me for trying unless they made their intentions very clear before just up and doing the "cop thing", my emotional/mental state non-withstanding.

Not saying you are wrong for your views, I'm just looking at the other side of the coin.



[edit on 9-3-2010 by Ahabstar]

Something else that seems strange is would the purchase of one gun had caused this reaction? I mean, I have a lot of guns but I only have two arms. Is this dude like Krishna or something walking around with 8 arms?

More guns does not equal more shooting.

Which is more deserving of a 'red flag': 5 guns or one gun, 20 magazines and a case of ammo?

reply to post by whatukno


Are you and Whaaa running a keylogger on me, Wuky?

What is more disturbing is our agreement here..... I better check for a brain implant chip or something.

reply to post by Ahabstar


Nor am I saying you're wrong. Because it is a "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" sort of situation...

It's just this sort of thing sets a disturbing presidence that leaves, should it not go to court, room for such things to happen again, and again...

There are, apparently, hints of something else going on, according to LadySkadi. All we can really do is conjecture at this point.

If the guy does turn out to have made threats...I'll say all you want in agreement with you. As of now, though? I don't like the presidence it sets.

reply to post by seagull


And a very valid point that I am not overly comfortable with myself. The precedence and the ability to be abused.

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ODOT employee dies on job

11/30/2009
November 30, 2009 For more information: Rick Little (541) 726-2442
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ODOT employee dies at work

SANTIAM JUNCTION — A maintenance employee with the Oregon Department of Transportation died today while working at an ODOT’s Santiam Junction Maintenance Station, located on U.S. 20 near Sisters.

A fellow worker found 60-year old James Michael Yankey lying on the ground near a snowplow at approximately 2:00 p.m. Yankey was unresponsive. The fellow employee administered CPR, but Yankey never regained consciousness.

Since no one witnessed what happened, the exact details remain unknown. Oregon State Police will conduct an investigation.

Yankey began employment with ODOT on February 9, 2009 as a transportation maintenance specialist.


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Transportation Commission to hold emergency meeting


ODOT News

Feb. 24, 2010

For more information, contact Kevin Beckstrom (503) 986-3430

The Oregon Transportation Commission will meet via telephone at 1:30 p.m. on Wednesday, Feb. 24, in an emergency Executive Session in Room 122 of the Transportation Building, 355 Capitol Street N.E., in Salem.

The Commission will meet in Executive Session to consult with legal counsel on pending litigation pursuant to ORS 192.660 (2)(h).

Executive Sessions of the Oregon Transportation Commission are not open to the public.


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(h) To consult with counsel concerning the legal rights and
duties of a public body with regard to current litigation or
litigation likely to be filed.

Could James Michael Yankey been murdered on the job?

Originally posted by Detailed Perfection
Let us theorize momentarily ...


How many of you would be blaming the police force for not acting on their information and stepping in to intervene to stop this mans plans of recourse?

So, which side of the arguement are you going to fall in to?

Not I sir. Buying a new gun for me is like being a kid on christmas morning, if I had just lost my job, and was feeling a little down, what better way to feel good again? Buy some new toys, go fire off a few (hundred) rounds and blow off some steam. Not every person who buys a gun (or several) is going to commit mass murder, just as not all murders will carried out with a firearm.

Clearly this man has been wronged, not once, but twice. He did not commit a crime, yet he was taken into "protective custody." Im sorry but that means he was wrongfully taken from his own home! Then to add insult to injury they took not just his nice new guns, but his others that had had prior!! If they were really concerned, they could have paid the man a visit, talked to him for a bit, requested him to see a doctor to prove his intentions, then left the man in peace.

If thats not enough to piss a man off I dont know what is. If he wasnt thinking about going berserk before he probably is now!

Not to promote illegal activity, but if this isnt a good enough reason to buy unregistered guns I dont know what is. Im not the type of person who would ever want to shoot it out with the police, or anyone for that matter, but if facing the same scenario, I dont know.... I may end up like good ol Bill Cooper. I dont know if I would be able to let someone take me and my things without any warrants or evidence of a crime. These people were acting like thugs. What the hell is going on with our local governments?


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reply to post by Ahabstar

What is more disturbing is our agreement here..... I better check for a brain implant chip or something.

We had it implanted under your left Prefrontal cortex, I am glad that you are receiving data through it efficiently, it was rather difficult to go in through your eye socket to implant the chip so that you wouldn't receive a scar.

Yes, and we are in agreement, that it is better to err on the side of caution, thus ensuring that all parties are alive and well, than to just allow a slaughter to go off.

In the event that this man had no desire to cause anybody any harm I am certain he should be well compensated for his inconvenience.

Originally posted by rainfall
an AK-47 assault rifle

You can just walk into a shop and buy an AK47 in the US????

And some people from the States have the mental incapacity to complain about rising gun crime while 100% supporting the sale of Assault rifles.

WTF!!

Man, if you could get AK47's easily in Ireland, we'd have a 50 mile dead man zone on the border of Northern Ireland going back to the 70's, with hundreds of thousands of people having been killed over the basic fact that they follow a different sect of the same religion

My old man has two Winchester 70's but to get a license for a gun, you need to prove that you are buying it for hunting.. not killing people.

The killing people through "Self Defense" is a big no no

I think the only situation where something like this is even plausible, ... is if the guy works for the post office........ or if the guy is actually OJ Simpson.

reply to post by Dermo


You can buy an AK-47 anywhere in the world, I promise you. Maybe not in a Wal-Mart, but if you plan on doing some dirt, why would you want to put your name on a gun? Here in Cali we have some of the strictest and stupidest gun laws of any state in the union. TPTB make it extremely difficult for honest law abiding citizens to buy a gun, 10 day waiting period, etc... However, if I wanted to purchase a gun for nefarious deeds, I can call my friend Hector, drive less then 2 minutes from my office, and have a "dirty" gun in my hands cheaper than if I bought it in a store!

reply to post by Dermo


Well, crime has been falling, many are 100% against the so-called "assault weapons" and what you think of when you read "AK-47" (no doubt fueld by movies and games) isnt what is on the shelf in a typical American gun shop. If you want a real AK it's going to cost $20-40K and an NFA stamp.

I have a question that perhaps some of you can answer or maybe just missing seeing something

from the article
However, the state agency had reported concerns about the man to law enforcement agencies, who started monitoring him, officials said.

"We had concerning information regarding a personnel issue and were watching the subject," Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters said.

In two days, the man bought a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 assault rifle, Medford police Lt. Bob Hansen said. All of those firearms were purchased legally, with required record checks by the Oregon State Police.


*** My question is, if he was already being watched, how did he pass the background checks? If there were an issue wouldnt there have been at least a delay in approval? His rights would not have been violated as it would have been a delay (not denied) of 7 days, plenty of time to see the "lay of the land" and a cooling off period.

Am I missing something?

Casing

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Death Investigation Involving ODOT Employee - Interstate 84 / Mosier

01/16/2010
Lieutenant Gregg Hastings
Public Information Officer
Office: (503) 731-3020 ext. 247

Peter W. Murphy
ODOT Public Affairs
Phone: (541) 325-2258

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Oregon State Police (OSP) and the Wasco County Medical Examiner are continuing the investigation into the circumstances that led to the death of an ODOT employee found early Saturday morning in a creek bed below Interstate 84 just east of the Mosier interchange. The man's name is being released after his body was found by an OSP trooper and ODOT employee following a brief search in the area where his unoccupied ODOT vehicle was found. There is no indication the death was the result of a crime and an autopsy is going to be scheduled.

On January 16, 2010 at approximately 4:36 a.m. OSP Northern Command Center dispatch was contacted by ODOT after an employee found one of their vehicles unoccupied in the right eastbound lane of Interstate 84 near milepost 69 with the driver's door open and the rotating yellow beacon light activated. The location was in a highway construction work zone about 200 yards east of the Mosier interchange where the freeway bridges a creek bed.

An OSP trooper was called out from their residence to respond and investigate. Additional information indicated PAUL E. EWERS, age 55, from Mosier, was scheduled to go off duty at 3:00 a.m. and was last seen by another employee about 2:00 a.m. in The Dalles at which time he left driving west to check the freeway lanes prior to ending his work schedule. When EWERS had not been heard or seen from at the end of his shift, another ODOT employee drove west in an attempt to locate him and found the unoccupied vehicle.

The trooper and ODOT employee searched the area and spotted EWERS' body at 5:24 a.m. approximately 36 feet below the freeway lanes in Mosier Creek. He had fallen through a gap between the east and westbound lanes where the freeway spans Mosier Creek. The trooper went down and confirmed EWERS was deceased.

OSP troopers from The Dalles Area Command office are continuing the investigation.

Anyone who was traveling on Interstate 84 in the Mosier area early Saturday morning between the hours of 2:00 a.m. and 3:00 a.m. that may have seen the ODOT vehicle and/or an ODOT employee wearing a reflective vest near the parked vehicle is asked to contact OSP Northern Command Center dispatch at 800-452-7888.

Questions for ODOT should be directed to Peter Murphy.

Heres another death from ODOT being investigated by the police?

Now there gonna take your guns if they THINK, your gonna flip..
If you wanna buy a handgun now, dont have a argument with your wife before..or you wont get your gun - just in case.

THE THOUGHT POLICE - HOW 1984...

If the guy wasn't thinking about going postal before being taken the hospital, I bet he is is now!

reply to post by andy1972


Not even. Eventually the act of buying a gun will itself be cause to lock you up for "safety." Is this man unstable, violent, crazy? Well, he's out buying a gun, isnt he? Lock him up.

I am floored that no one is asking the EVEN BIGGER question... HOW did the cops know that he had been put on leave from his job??? Hundreds of people purchase multiple weapons at a time each and every week. HOW do the police determine who needs a visit versus who doesn't??? Think about it.... Smells like another illegal database to me!

reply to post by kozmo


That's already been answered. Per the article, the workplace notified the Police with concerns. The man was already on watch, prior to buying the guns...

reply to post by kozmo


www.m86security.com...

I guess they monitor ODOT internet and emails.