Senate takes up jobs bill

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H. R. 2847 Full text...

Well looks as if Mr. Brown voted to get this moving along with 4 other Republicans.

I can hear it now. This will doom the country to a socialist cabal, this will lead America to utter failure and hopelessness beyond anything comparable to Armageddon, our freedoms will be destroyed and we will all be sold as slaves to China, yada yada yada.

Personally I think it's a good step in the right direction, giving businesses tax breaks for hiring the unemployed, and helping people get jobs. It's also a nice little campaign year bill that both sides can agree to thus looking like they are in the middle instead of sticking to the extreme sides of their political polarity.

See, now if it passes, the GOP can say they weren't completely obstructionists, and the Democrats can say they were willing to work across the aisle with Republicans on a bill.



[edit on 2/23/2010 by whatukno]

I hope this really translates to real jobs.

I think offering tax breaks and incentives is a good start, but actually creating jobs would be the best solution.

The one big field I am surprised our government is not pushing is clean or green energy job related, and I include nuclear in this. This is a field in which jobs could be created.

And what about our congress putting money back to create more infrastructure repair jobs? Those type of jobs are needed for our healthy able young people to work!

With that much money, you could create almost half a million jobs at $35,000/year by simply creating public works projects.

They won't, and while I disagree with public works projects, this won't work, won't be tracked, and will be abused.

Priceless Washington stupidity. I seriously need to move out of this stupid town.

Most of this bill seems to be tax cuts targeted to businesses that hire new employees.

I think their target of a million new jobs is a little high, but I think it's a step in the right direction.

Like conservatives say, it's not up to the government to provide jobs, it's up to the government to make it so that businesses can create jobs.



[edit on 2/23/2010 by whatukno]

Tax incentives are OK. But if you cannot afford more staff, what good are tax incentives, especially if your consumer market in your business is dropping too?

The only solution is job creation in my opinion. Well maybe not the only but the optimum.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


But the government really can't create long term jobs. It just doesn't work that way. They could give everyone unemployed a job working road crews, but frankly the tax burden for that would be much higher than if businesses made jobs on their own.

The thing is, businesses are the key to recovery not the government. Businesses have to see this as an investment in the future of the economy. Yes they may hire one or two people and that would be difficult in the short term, but if a lot of businesses did this, over the long term those employees who are getting a paycheck would spend money in other businesses and thus recovery for the entire economy.

Senate Passes Billion-dollar Jobs Bill

Looks as if the Senate has passed their version of the jobs bill.

Gee, and some people here on ATS said the GOP would never vote on any legislation created by Democrats. And yet 5 GOP Senators voted "Aye" on this measure.

I'm glad to see those ignorant tools proven wrong and this bill passed.

reply to post by sos37

Gee, and some people here on ATS said the GOP would never vote on any legislation created by Democrats. And yet 5 GOP Senators voted "Aye" on this measure.

Did you read the op? Like the part where I called this?

It's also a nice little campaign year bill that both sides can agree to thus looking like they are in the middle instead of sticking to the extreme sides of their political polarity.

See, now if it passes, the GOP can say they weren't completely obstructionists, and the Democrats can say they were willing to work across the aisle with Republicans on a bill.

reply to post by whatukno


Well, Wuk, that will last about three days, as fast as Congress wastes money.

Oh, sorry, I mean spends money, or is it creates money?

The way I see it Congress and Bush should have passed a Stimulus Package, that assisted the American public, the working class citizens, first.

What I mean to say is by their wasting money by shoring up Government, they guaranteed that we as citizens will not survive, financially speaking.

Yes, I realize Government employees are paid employees too, but it galls me that this is the way that Government thinks of things, of itself first.

I do understand the complexity of managing a country, trust me.

And I fully comprehend that as a Government they have to ensure order.

But, if it were not for half of the crap that Government does, when it manipulates our system, through many different avenues, the citizens would not need to have the constant dynamic of control, which to some seems tyranny.

I am not saying that it is tyranny, necessarily, although I can see it sometimes, what I am instead saying is the levels of corruption, and constant cover-ups leads to a lack of trust in Government, by the citizens of America.

My personal opinion is when J.F.K. was killed, and covered-up, America lost faith, in the protection of our country via Goverment, because this is one of those events where our citizens were left standing in the dark shadow of conspiracy.

And it is the belief of many that this is where the Shadow Government first reared its ugly, corrupt, and megalomaniacal head.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Shadow Government

The term shadow government has two distinct uses with entirely different meanings.

The first refers to a government-in-waiting composed of members of the opposition party in a parliamentary chamber such as the United Kingdom's House of Commons.

In this example the Shadow Cabinet 'opposes' by means of dialectical debate and argument the government in power.

In its other use the phrase refers to what is sometimes called the secret government or the invisible government which postulates that contrary to popular belief, real and actual political power does not reside with publicly elected representatives (for example the United States Congress or the UK Cabinet) but with persons unknown to the general public who are exercising power behind the scenes.

In this sense the official elected government is in reality subservient to the shadow government who are the true executive power.

Personally, I believe it has always been there, and via the partisan game playing and divisiveness in the Three Branches of Government, it is all smoke and mirrors.

This is why it is so important to have the Separation of Powers.

Our freedoms are infringed upon, financially, as well as the ever-building threat of tyranny, where we as citizens have to wonder, when the dollar will completely collapse, which we are in the stages of right now.

So, Congress needs to learn how to stop with the earmark's, and wasteful spending.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Earmark (Political)

In United States politics an earmark is a legislative (especially congressional) provision that directs approved funds to be spent on specific projects or that directs specific exemptions from taxes or mandated fees.

The term "earmark" is used in this sense only in the United States, and it is not recognized as a noun by major dictionaries (such as the OED and Merriam-Webster).

Earmarks can be found both in legislation (also called "Hard earmarks" or "Hardmarks") and in the text of Congressional committee reports (also called "Soft earmarks" or "Softmarks").

Hard earmarks are binding and have the effect of law, while soft earmarks do not have the effect of law but by custom are acted on as if they were binding.

Typically, a legislator seeks to insert earmarks that direct a specified amount of money to a particular organization or project in his/her home state or district.

Earmarks have often been taken as being "pork barrel" legislation, although the two are not the same.

In my humble opinion.

[edit on 26-2-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I love it when they talk about more infrastructures and creating buildings and bridges...uhmmmm....Where do i fit into the scheme of things here?
Should i learn how to dig ditches, mix cement?????

I suppose i could learn if it meant a job.

I think it is important to analyze this part.

From source

The 4-prong bill would:

*Exempt employers from Social Security payroll taxes on new hires who were unemployed;

*Fund highway and transit programs through 2010;

*Extend a tax break for business that spend money on capital investments like equipment purchases;

*Expand the use of the Build America Bonds program, which helps states and municipalities fund capital construction projects.

Based on this, only the first one seems to have the most possibility to hire people.

IMO, this is not a real job bill. 3/4 of it is for other purposes.

reply to post by dgtempe


How bout driving a truck?

You could drive a 10 wheeler. I have seen plenty of women run equipment on job sites.

reply to post by jam321


#1. Obviously creates jobs.

#2. Funding these programs helps keep existing jobs and funds new ones.

#3. Buying equipment starts the ball rolling on the economy, businesses who buy equipment are helping other companies keep the doors open and hopefully will also keeps jobs.

#4. Funding capital construction obviously helps create short term jobs. (construction projects are short term things that only last a few years, but a few years of a paycheck, is better than a few years of sitting on unemployment.)

cutting business taxes frees up cash for other business interests.

crap jobs didnt work for fdr and they wont work now.

ww2 got the ball rolling and thats back when the usa acutally had a industrial base. whats left in this country now is a joke.
all the real jobs are outsourced.

ive havent seen what types of jobs have been created-the jobs ken the factory jobs our parents use to have.....

big government taxation and over powered unions have killed jobs in america.

werent jobs supposed to be created with the 787 stimulus bill they passed? where are the jobs? where o where indeed.

the dems say jobs are important but the reality is out of work,angry dependent citizens are easier to control.