Senate takes up jobs bill, page 1

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Senate voted Monday to push forward a $15 billion jobs creation bill that would give businesses a tax break for hiring the unemployed.

Five Republicans -- including newly elected Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass. -- reached across the aisle to approve the procedural measure, which passed by a 62-30 vote. One Democrat did not support it. A final vote on the bill should take place in a few days.

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Well looks as if Mr. Brown voted to get this moving along with 4 other Republicans.

I can hear it now. This will doom the country to a socialist cabal, this will lead America to utter failure and hopelessness beyond anything comparable to Armageddon, our freedoms will be destroyed and we will all be sold as slaves to China, yada yada yada.

Personally I think it's a good step in the right direction, giving businesses tax breaks for hiring the unemployed, and helping people get jobs. It's also a nice little campaign year bill that both sides can agree to thus looking like they are in the middle instead of sticking to the extreme sides of their political polarity.

See, now if it passes, the GOP can say they weren't completely obstructionists, and the Democrats can say they were willing to work across the aisle with Republicans on a bill.



[edit on 2/23/2010 by whatukno]

reply to post by hotbakedtater

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But the government really can't create long term jobs. It just doesn't work that way. They could give everyone unemployed a job working road crews, but frankly the tax burden for that would be much higher than if businesses made jobs on their own.

The thing is, businesses are the key to recovery not the government. Businesses have to see this as an investment in the future of the economy. Yes they may hire one or two people and that would be difficult in the short term, but if a lot of businesses did this, over the long term those employees who are getting a paycheck would spend money in other businesses and thus recovery for the entire economy.

Senate Passes Billion-dollar Jobs Bill

Looks as if the Senate has passed their version of the jobs bill.

reply to post by sos37

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Gee, and some people here on ATS said the GOP would never vote on any legislation created by Democrats. And yet 5 GOP Senators voted "Aye" on this measure.

Did you read the op? Like the part where I called this?

It's also a nice little campaign year bill that both sides can agree to thus looking like they are in the middle instead of sticking to the extreme sides of their political polarity.

See, now if it passes, the GOP can say they weren't completely obstructionists, and the Democrats can say they were willing to work across the aisle with Republicans on a bill.

reply to post by whatukno

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Well, Wuk, that will last about three days, as fast as Congress wastes money.

Oh, sorry, I mean spends money, or is it creates money?

The way I see it Congress and Bush should have passed a Stimulus Package, that assisted the American public, the working class citizens, first.

What I mean to say is by their wasting money by shoring up Government, they guaranteed that we as citizens will not survive, financially speaking.

Yes, I realize Government employees are paid employees too, but it galls me that this is the way that Government thinks of things, of itself first.

I do understand the complexity of managing a country, trust me.

And I fully comprehend that as a Government they have to ensure order.

But, if it were not for half of the crap that Government does, when it manipulates our system, through many different avenues, the citizens would not need to have the constant dynamic of control, which to some seems tyranny.

I am not saying that it is tyranny, necessarily, although I can see it sometimes, what I am instead saying is the levels of corruption, and constant cover-ups leads to a lack of trust in Government, by the citizens of America.

My personal opinion is when J.F.K. was killed, and covered-up, America lost faith, in the protection of our country via Goverment, because this is one of those events where our citizens were left standing in the dark shadow of conspiracy.

And it is the belief of many that this is where the Shadow Government first reared its ugly, corrupt, and megalomaniacal head.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Shadow Government

The term shadow government has two distinct uses with entirely different meanings.

The first refers to a government-in-waiting composed of members of the opposition party in a parliamentary chamber such as the United Kingdom's House of Commons.

In this example the Shadow Cabinet 'opposes' by means of dialectical debate and argument the government in power.

In its other use the phrase refers to what is sometimes called the secret government or the invisible government which postulates that contrary to popular belief, real and actual political power does not reside with publicly elected representatives (for example the United States Congress or the UK Cabinet) but with persons unknown to the general public who are exercising power behind the scenes.

In this sense the official elected government is in reality subservient to the shadow government who are the true executive power.

Personally, I believe it has always been there, and via the partisan game playing and divisiveness in the Three Branches of Government, it is all smoke and mirrors.

This is why it is so important to have the Separation of Powers.

Our freedoms are infringed upon, financially, as well as the ever-building threat of tyranny, where we as citizens have to wonder, when the dollar will completely collapse, which we are in the stages of right now.

So, Congress needs to learn how to stop with the earmark's, and wasteful spending.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Earmark (Political)

In United States politics an earmark is a legislative (especially congressional) provision that directs approved funds to be spent on specific projects or that directs specific exemptions from taxes or mandated fees.

The term "earmark" is used in this sense only in the United States, and it is not recognized as a noun by major dictionaries (such as the OED and Merriam-Webster).

Earmarks can be found both in legislation (also called "Hard earmarks" or "Hardmarks") and in the text of Congressional committee reports (also called "Soft earmarks" or "Softmarks").

Hard earmarks are binding and have the effect of law, while soft earmarks do not have the effect of law but by custom are acted on as if they were binding.

Typically, a legislator seeks to insert earmarks that direct a specified amount of money to a particular organization or project in his/her home state or district.

Earmarks have often been taken as being "pork barrel" legislation, although the two are not the same.

In my humble opinion.

[edit on 26-2-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by dgtempe

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How bout driving a truck?

You could drive a 10 wheeler. I have seen plenty of women run equipment on job sites.

reply to post by jam321

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#1. Obviously creates jobs.

#2. Funding these programs helps keep existing jobs and funds new ones.

#3. Buying equipment starts the ball rolling on the economy, businesses who buy equipment are helping other companies keep the doors open and hopefully will also keeps jobs.

#4. Funding capital construction obviously helps create short term jobs. (construction projects are short term things that only last a few years, but a few years of a paycheck, is better than a few years of sitting on unemployment.)

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