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NEWS: Is this what Europe wants?

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posted on May, 30 2004 @ 05:10 AM
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After all the, not so distant, involvement of France in the genocide in Rwanda, it seems that they are looking to help Islamic extremists in the genocide against Israel.
 

What Europe wants
Standing before the EU parliament in Brussels on May 16 2001, French EU parliamentarian Paul Marie Couteax made a stunning statement. After condemning Israel's actions to defend itself against Palestinian terrorism as the "theocratic excesses of this religious state," Couteax declared that Europe should supply the Arab world with nuclear weapons. In his words, "I have no hesitation in saying that we must consider giving the Arab side a large enough force, including a large enough nuclear force, to persuade Israel that it cannot simply do whatever it wants. That is the policy my country [France] pursued in the 1970s when it gave Iraq a nuclear force."

Couteax's statement, though over the top, follows a flow of seemingly obtuse and illogical statements and actions by the EU and its member states since the start of the Palestinian terror war almost four years ago.

For instance, in the midst of the IDF's counter-terror operations in Rafah last week, Ireland's Foreign Minister Brian Cowan, speaking for the EU whose presidency his country currently holds, condemned Israel's actions in the most hysterical and factually inaccurate terms.

After meeting a delegation from the Organization of the Islamic Conference (the same people who gave a standing ovation to Malaysia's then prime minister Mahathir Mohamad last fall when he claimed that Jews were the source of all the troubles in the world), Cowan all but accused Israel of carrying out war crimes when he stated that "Israeli forces showed a reckless disregard for human life."

(For those who do not trust a news source from Israel...)
Debates of the European Parliament
Debates of the European Parliament
SITTING OF WEDNESDAY, 16 MAY 2001
Situation in the Middle East
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There is, however, another serious imbalance for which we are in part responsible, namely the imbalance of forces. I have no hesitation in saying that we must consider giving the Arab side a large enough force, including a large enough nuclear force, to persuade Israel that it cannot simply do whatever it wants. That is the policy my country pursued in the 1970s when it gave Iraq a nuclear force. We have now destroyed it. So we will carry on with our policy of imbalance and what is happening today is merely the annoying but inevitable result of our collective blindness and cowardice.



We do have to ask ourselves, are the Europeans going insane?
I think its safe to say that we all know what has been happening when one or two of the extremist countries like Iran have done in the past when they had the resources. Instead of keeping these weapons as deterrents for war, they have shown that they would use them all if necessary to exterminate people they see as a threat.

France seems to be getting very war happy, except they prefer others doing the fighting, even thou they bash the US government for going to war.

What could such a move, if France and the other European countries actually set forth to doing this, accomplish but another war?

Well one thing is true about Coteaux's statement, he said they are collectively cowards

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[Edited on 30-5-2004 by Muaddib]

[Edited on 5-31-2004 by Valhall]




posted on May, 30 2004 @ 12:20 PM
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This is from a 2001 meeting but it was translated and appeared on the news on May 28th 2004.

Anyone else seeing the latest trends of France?........



posted on May, 31 2004 @ 01:07 PM
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It is just one man, no political direction throughout a whole country or even the whole EU.
The article is written in a very partial manner and leaves no room for an objective viewpoint on the whole issue.

And sorry but...what's wrong with this?



For instance, in the midst of the IDF's counter-terror operations in Rafah last week, Ireland's Foreign Minister Brian Cowan, speaking for the EU whose presidency his country currently holds, condemned Israel's actions in the most hysterical and factually inaccurate terms.

After meeting a delegation from the Organization of the Islamic Conference (the same people who gave a standing ovation to Malaysia's then prime minister Mahathir Mohamad last fall when he claimed that Jews were the source of all the troubles in the world), Cowan all but accused Israel of carrying out war crimes when he stated that "Israeli forces showed a reckless disregard for human life."


Cowan is absolutely right at this one so why the rumour? It is written like he said something forbidden...oh yea he did. He said something against the government of Israel.
We know that both, Palestinians and the government of Israel are morons so I would say we should criticise both and not step back fearing we get called racists or nazis.



posted on May, 31 2004 @ 01:18 PM
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Well since Israel already has nuclear weapons, lets give some to the palestinians so they can both wipe themselves off from the planet and leave the rest of us to leave in peace. This conflict has gone long enough and its been pissing me off. We should just let the sons of bitches exterminate each other until they go extinct. Frankly BOTH sides are at fault here. Its a neverending cycle.

Palestinians set off a bomb and kill 10 people, the IDF invades a town, kills a couple hundred people and leaves thousands homeless by leveling the place in retaliation. This conflict will not end any time soon.



posted on May, 31 2004 @ 02:33 PM
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Typical of the French. Colaberated with the Nazi's the so called Vichy French now they even contemplate supplying nukes to the next best thing to the third reich.

Makes me want to spew.

Sorry for the blunt tone but it is how i feel. And one more good reason why Britain needs to get the hell out of the EU the 'nation of the beast'

Rusti.



posted on May, 31 2004 @ 03:16 PM
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Let's be clear here.. Israel was living in peace and supporting a Palestinian state to coexist along side Israel including much of Israel's land which has settlements. Israel was prepared to pay many of it's citizens in settlements to move out and give the land to palestinians. Arafat refused because he doesnt want to coexist. Arafat wants the entire state of Israel. Make no mistake when palestinians talk about the "occupation" they are not refering to Israel's invasion of the west bank. They are refering to Israel's existence in the state itself. Just look at the flag for the Palestinian Authority. The flag is the entire state of Israel. Arafat has said on numerous occasions he wants to drive the jews into the sea. How do you deal with people like this who don't want peace or compromise? Israel woudl not even be in the west bank if the Palestinians had not strated a wave of terror four years ago. There was actually a non violent relationship up until the suicide bombings began with a new wave of terror. Israel was not in the west bank then and had no intentions of being there. They are only there because of the suicide bombers who continue to enter Israel to kill their citizens. Are you aware of the hundreds of tunnels that run from under houses in the west bank into Israel? Do you think they just level houses out of joy? They destroy bomb factories which are inside apartments aswell as tunnel systems that run from basements of buildings into Israel as to allow suicide bombers free passage into the state of Israel to inflict more death. The jews were in the land long before anyone and as far back as history and biblical history itself but constant wars and battles against the jews forced them to be scatterd around the globe. After being driven out by many wars it was the Palestinians eventually who had control of the land up until WWII. After WWII was over and over 6 million jews were decimated they were given their land back and a state so they would no longer be unable to defend themselves. When this happened palestinians much like you see Iraqi's in Iraq began to inflict terrorism on the jews and the state of Israel so the jews had no choice but to force the terrorists out of the land. Israel never had intentions of not coexisting in fact they wanted this more then anything. It is the Palestinians who refuse to exist along side jews and will stop at nothing short of driving the jews into the sea to have their land back which originally in history belonged to the jews. Regardless of who the land rightfully belongs to today, Israel has made numerous attempts to coexist and form a Palestinian state alongside Israel but that is not good enough for the Palestinian Authority who will stop at nothing more then the destruction of Israel. Arafat was offered 99% of everything he asked for about a decade ago but then when ISrael accepted he backed out at the last minute.. Hmm I wonder why? He doesnt want to coexist.. You can call destroying houses and using 5 million dollar cruise missiles war crimes but the reality is they are the most humane way to deal with the real issues going on. Rather then bomb a building with conventional weapons which would be much cheaper, Israel will hover over gaza with an Apache gunship and wait until the terrorists they want to kill are in view. With pinpoint accuracy they will blow up a car they are in when the time is right rather then just bomb an entire block causing collateral damage. Those houses they destroy are not just living quarters but bomb factories and tunnel systems. Continue to believe in a one sided war but the reality is Israel through history has always been for peace and does everything in it's power to decrease death. I wish I could say the same for the other side..

[Edited on 31-5-2004 by Raphael]



posted on May, 31 2004 @ 05:31 PM
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Fuk that they're equally bad in my eyes, they may just use different methods of killing, some more "civilized" and others more barbaric, but in the end the same.

[Edited on 31-5-2004 by Ponderosa]



posted on May, 31 2004 @ 06:51 PM
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I'm starting to think the US made a mistake liberating France the last time they were taken over. Sounds like a brilliant French idea to arm both sides to the teeth in a conflict, that makes it much easier to lose the war if you happen to get caught in any conflict.

If you want to know what I think of how well the French plan ahead for possible future conflicts by arming other sides, just use the search engine google, type in french military victories don't press enter but click on I feel lucky, or type in french victory then click on I Feel Lucky

If there was never any war or conflict in the world, I wouldn't see any problem with what the French keep doing.



posted on May, 31 2004 @ 11:26 PM
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[edit on 2004-7-2 by Teknik]



posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 12:24 AM
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He is a French EU parliamentarian, and pretty much I think he is voicing the general consensus of France, or at least of the parliament. Their not so old actions seem to point to this tendency also, is not just that one of their representatives said it. France keeps involving itself and siding with extremist Islamic countries and dictatorships in genocide and in trying to silence other countries, like Taiwan, from claiming independance.



posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 12:37 AM
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they are both semites who have 99.5percent common genetic dna

they follow the same cutsoms-both are kosher or halal and they same shalem or shalom-both were kicked out of spain during the inquistion of 1492



posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 12:49 AM
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As I recall, Israel was using FRENCH JETS during the war in late 60's..

Hmm, so the French used to sell them the best jets, but now wants to cut Israel off? sounds odd to me.



posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 12:53 AM
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just like all nations do



posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 10:03 AM
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Yeah, but the French seem very supportive of radicals and oppression in other countries. You just have to look at the actions they have taken in the 90s on Rwanda and Sudan, and at the beginning of this year carrying out a naval exercise with China, after Chinese officials declared they won't let Taiwan become independant from China and will do anything to stop it.

I don't know what country in their right minds would even consider supporting/joining the Chinese after all they have said about Taiwan.

[Edited on 1-6-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
He is a French EU parliamentarian, and pretty much I think he is voicing the general consensus of France, or at least of the parliament. Their not so old actions seem to point to this tendency also, is not just that one of their representatives said it. France keeps involving itself and siding with extremist Islamic countries and dictatorships in genocide and in trying to silence other countries, like Taiwan, from claiming independance.


You lived in the the last years? The last thing that EU parliamentarians do is representing the voice/opinion of the people


Especially the EU parla's tend to speak out wildly without actually representing anything. Latest cases some from italy and germany but about other topics.

They seem to have lost grip to reality and forgot that they are voted as representatives.
So please people - I have never been a great fan of the french but it's not really correct to say that this guy counts



posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 08:13 PM
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Are you living in Europe? is this first hand knowledge?

Are you saying the French, and other european governments are not representing the people any more? If this is so why don't European citizens demonstrate more against their own governments instead of against the US....

BTW, i only have family and friends in Spain, where I was raised.
I asked some of them how Spain was different since the change in government and the response was that getting jobs is a lot harder.

This link has a bit of history of the PSOE. (Partido Socialista Obrero Espaol)

"The PSOE began as a Marxist party, and for many decades it lived a precarious existence in the shade of anarchists -- Spain was the only European country with a strong and lasting anarchist movement. Its newspaper, El Socialista, only began publication in 1886, and a trade union, the UGT (General Workers' Union), was first taken over, in Barcelona in 1888."

Excerpted from.
www.frontpagemag.com...

Now, lets see what the World Socialist Web Site says.

"Within weeks of taking office, however, the PSOE is preparing legislation attacking the democratic right to free speech of Spains 500,000 Muslims. Its implications are much wider, threatening the freedom of speech of everyone in ways that echo the actions of the Francoite fascists."

Excerpted from.
www.wsws.org...



posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 08:21 PM
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Half the people in France probably dont even know whats going on. Their press and television is pratically state run unlike the free press of the US and UK.

Anything out of place gets vetted by parliment dudes watching over their shoulders, so the French people are probably being told a pack of lies and they wouldnt even realise that it was.

People dont realise but France is a Socialist country, not democratic, yet their economy is democratically based. much like the rest of Europe.

[Edited on 1-6-2004 by rustiswordz]



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:03 AM
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Well there you go, France are trying to resolve a situation by wanting both sides to have an equal deterrant, cos' thats what nuclear weapons are for aren't they. No one in there right minds would ever use a nuclear device in warfare surely, can you imagine the amount of innocent lives that would be lost. Only a nation fed on arrogance could even entertain the idea. Imagine there was a conflict between 2 countries, and instead of intervening, we supplied startegic information to one of the warring factions and to the other we supplied weapons, would this be the act of a nation gone insane or maybe an act of cowardice?

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by Koka]



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:31 AM
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What a shame that France is the third NBC nuke power in the world...

Earth will become a dangerous place now...



posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Are you living in Europe? is this first hand knowledge?


Germany is still in the EU and located in Europe, you might remember?


- okay, at ATSNN there is no "Location" under the nickname. Thought you might have remembered the location.



Are you saying the French, and other european governments are not representing the people any more? If this is so why don't European citizens demonstrate more against their own governments instead of against the US....


Oh, they represent them in the way that they pass bills that make sense at least in most cases but especially the EU parliamentarians tend to speak out very extreme opinions which do not equal the opinion of their voters.

It is like: parla1 just voted for the bill A - everything is fine. he represented the people that voted for him.
The next day he has an interview with the press and says stuff like "I am lucky we passed the bill and the italian spaghetti eaters didn't block it". So basically he did what he should but later insulted italians which isn't really representing his voters.

We aren't demonstrating yet because our EU parliaments didn't f()ck up like your government did, easy reason. Anyway at least for german EU parliaments there is a public disgust and it's covered in the media. Things are changing slightly but better than nothing.

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by shoo]



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