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reply posted on 16-2-2010 @ 06:24 PM by Eurisko2012
reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint



Have you driven a Ford lately?
I bought one. Ford Expedition
No problems.



reply posted on 16-2-2010 @ 09:27 PM by Eurisko2012
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The government is going out of its way to get Toyota.


reply posted on 16-2-2010 @ 10:04 PM by MikeNice81
Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
The media seems to love giving Toyota grief because they had one recall. GM, Ford, and Chrysler seem to have dozens of recalls each decade. The fact of the matter is, if you buy a Toyota, the chances of you getting hurt because of a sticky gas pedal are still very small. On the other hand, if you buy GM, Ford, or Chrysler, the chance of you getting a lemon is near 100%.


I'm getting real tired of this BS. American cars are just as reliable as foreign cars.

Most Reliable Cars 2008 Edition

Buick, Lincoln, Cadillac, Ford, Mercury, and Chrysler are more dependable than BMW or Mercedees. Buick was actually rated the most dependable. Mercury was ranked higher than Infiniti, Acura, Honda, and Audi. Scion, a Toyota brand, was actually in the bottom seven. It was beaten by KIA for gods sake. The german engineered Volkswagen is the second worst.
2009 Most Dependable Cars

So, how about a little honesty in the discussion please. All manufacturers have recalls.



reply posted on 16-2-2010 @ 10:36 PM by Dorian Soran
reply to post by Eurisko2012



I must ask - and be honest here - do you work for toyota?

You seem to have a thorn in your saddle due to the fact the toyota has had some recalls and CBS news reported today that 34 deaths may be attributed to the faulty brakes/throttle combo.

Is CBS trying to whack your company too?

They had some piss poor designing latley - chalk it up to that.

RECALL - REPAIR - REDESIGN - MOVE ON.

Dorian Soran

The good doctor!


reply posted on 16-2-2010 @ 11:00 PM by Eurisko2012
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No. I just think they are being unfair to Toyota because
the U.S. Government is now in the car business [GM].


reply posted on 16-2-2010 @ 11:28 PM by dolphinfan
reply to post by Eurisko2012



Toyota is getting what they deserve. They have significant quality issues at the moment and they need to be addressed in a public fashion. Remember two things

1. The typical Japanese response to something like this is not to go public. It is shameful for the Japanese to have to admit wrong doing. Shame is a very serious matter in Japan. If the US government and the media were not all over this while the problems would get fixed, it would be done in a quiet fashion and folks considering a car purchase need to know that the legacy of quality is not what it used to be.

2. Japan is the most protectionist society on the planet. They simply do not use non-Japanese products if there is a Japanese one available, regardless of the quality.

They have been hammering the US auto industry for years


reply posted on 16-2-2010 @ 11:46 PM by Eurisko2012
reply to post by dolphinfan



They are the best.
Go to consumer reports magazine.
It is what it is.



reply posted on 16-2-2010 @ 11:51 PM by dolphinfan
reply to post by Eurisko2012



Over a period of time they might be the best. The issue is that right now they are not. This spate of quality issues is so deep and so diverse it underscores an underlying quality issue. I have doubt they will fix it and be back on top again, but this deal is likely to cost them close to $10bn once the law suits and opportunity costs are factored in.


reply posted on 17-2-2010 @ 12:41 AM by Eurisko2012
reply to post by dolphinfan



Toyota is one generation ahead of GM in the hybrid cars.
It has a software problem but the quality is there.
All of the car companies have problems. The U.S. Government
- Team Obama - has a vested in GM and it's showing.



reply posted on 17-2-2010 @ 12:47 AM by 297GT
Originally posted by MikeNice81
Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
The media seems to love giving Toyota grief because they had one recall. GM, Ford, and Chrysler seem to have dozens of recalls each decade. The fact of the matter is, if you buy a Toyota, the chances of you getting hurt because of a sticky gas pedal are still very small. On the other hand, if you buy GM, Ford, or Chrysler, the chance of you getting a lemon is near 100%.


I'm getting real tired of this BS. American cars are just as reliable as foreign cars.

Most Reliable Cars 2008 Edition

Buick, Lincoln, Cadillac, Ford, Mercury, and Chrysler are more dependable than BMW or Mercedees. Buick was actually rated the most dependable. Mercury was ranked higher than Infiniti, Acura, Honda, and Audi. Scion, a Toyota brand, was actually in the bottom seven. It was beaten by KIA for gods sake. The german engineered Volkswagen is the second worst.
2009 Most Dependable Cars

So, how about a little honesty in the discussion please. All manufacturers have recalls.


LOL

I have had 1 break down in my BMW in over 14years now...water pump, thats it....my GM product literally fell apart systematically, one part failing after another...
Adding up the cost of that car plus the repairs and the new car to replace that heap of junk I could have bought 2 BMW's or updated my BMW if I never bought it.
Funny thing is it never got driven any way as hard as the Bimmer does...Serviced more regularly too...GM/Ford = Junk


reply posted on 17-2-2010 @ 10:52 AM by MikeNice81
reply to post by 297GT



I hate to say it but in reported problems 2005 and 2006 BMWs are less reliable than several American companies. I drive a Buick and have had zero problems in two years. With over 40,000 miles on the car there hasn't been a single problem I could attribute to the manufacturer.

People can argue all they want but J.D Power and associates are considerred a highly respected authority in this area.
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