Where do our Rights come from?, page 1

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Topic started on 8-2-2010 @ 10:38 PM by dalan.

This is a quote from one poster's signature here on ATS:

Someone who does not support our troops likely does not deserve any of the freedoms that they are given by our troops.

I would just like to point out that the conspiracy here is in the fact that we have been indoctrinated to the point of complete submission by the TPTB. That quite embodies everything that our forefather's were against and there is proof:

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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government....

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en·dow (n-dou) tr.v. en·dowed, en·dow·ing, en·dows
1. To provide with property, income, or a source of income.
2. a. To equip or supply with a talent or quality: Nature endowed you with a beautiful singing voice. b. To imagine as having a usually favorable trait or quality: endowed the family pet with human intelligence.

So apparently my Creator gave me my rights, and which of you on this planet has any greater authority to take them away?

You don't.

So the idea that our rights are given to us by a President, or Constitution, or military is simply a fallacy when our forefathers were quite clear as to where our freedom is derived from.

The above posters signature is nothing short of the perfect expression of fascism and it is sad that we have been degraded to the point of such thinking.

[edit on 2/8/2010 by dalan.]

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 10:42 PM by EMPIRE

I keep telling people the constipation...oops....I mean the constitution is a load of crap and that it doesn't give you any rights. No piece of paper, and no man, gave me the right to do anything.

S+F for you, friend.

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 10:43 PM by FortAnthem

reply to post by dalan.

Good point. The governemnt and the troops do not in any way GIVE us our rights.

It would be more appropriate to say they PROTECT our rights.

When they're not taking them away, that is.

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 10:48 PM by ViperFoxBat

It would be nice if we were allowed to delete our posts. Maybe that could be a future feature of this site.

[edit on 8-2-2010 by ViperFoxBat]

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:05 PM by gwydionblack

reply to post by dalan.

This is a situation in which it would be beneficial that all people be versed and taught on the Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, their history, and the meaning of such documents.

It should never be stated that the Constitution GRANTS us rights. No where in history was that ever stated or taken to be fact. That is simply something that is assumed.

The rights we have are unalienable, given to us by the creator. The Constitution simply ENUMERATES those rights. In simple terms, it took the rights of man that were the most important and listed them for us to maintain that our government would not make any laws infringing on that natural, God given rights.

That is the brilliance of the document.

So no, our Constitution doesn't give us anything, it serves only as a reminder that we as humanity have these rights and that only by standing up and asserting those right against our leaders will we be able to maintain them.

[edit on 8-2-2010 by gwydionblack]

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:15 PM by dalan.

reply to post by gwydionblack

Exactly, and I couldn't agree more with your sentiments.

This is something that bothered me deeply so I had to get it off my chest.

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:17 PM by For(Home)Country

reply to post by dalan.

Rights are agreements we make between each other, fellow man and women. These agreements allow for advancement, civility, cooperation, and development between people. Each individual must decide what he or she will contribute and/or give up in exchange for some sort of benefit whether external or internal. If you're not already, become familiar with the social contracts of Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau. It will give you some idea where the origins of "rights" came from.

Personally, I feel that we have become to individualist and self-concerned with ourselves and the individual rights we have, but that's another story and only my own opinion!

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