D.C. court case demands Obama explain eligibility

reply to post by Jdawg9909


No, it will be like when Europeans (whites) came to America and murdered, raped, mutilated, beat, castrated, pillaged and burned those already living here. No different, no not by a long shot.

Edited to add: He is not a citizen of Kenya, this has been debunked. Please refer to previous posts.

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reply to post by genius/idoit


Looks like Orly has done it again. Wrong court system. Asking a Federal Court to enforce a District of Columbia Ordinance - should have gone to DC Superior Court. A quo warranto proceeding can be filed by the prosecuting attorney, which she isn't. She's representing herself - proving the old saw about having a fool for a client. I guess that's what happens when a Moldavian Jewish dentist /real estate agent gets a law degree from an unaccredited "distance learning" proprietary school Her petitions were not verified (sworn to)l. Every page of her website has a "Please donate" section. She's going to need them when the Cal Bar Assn rules on the pending ethics proceeding against her.

reply to post by circle 360

That PDF is bogas just like all your statements watch the video of her saying it and the translation in real time.

Did you read the PDF? On what grounds do you say the pdf is bogus? Moreover, the video you're talking about is no video in the sense that people are shown and it is not real time. Do you understand what translations and transcriptions are?

The PDF you state was made after the occurunce of the fact.

Of course the PDF was made after the recording was made. It would be completely IMPOSSIBLE for it to have been made before the recording was made.

Anything can be added or substracted from a PDF.

Do you have any proof that anything was added or subtracted to the words pertaining to the conversation in the PDF?

I will not read any of your past posts because it`s the same as the present you state false hoods Wake up Obama bought his birth records and officials with campain funds while on vacation odd is`nt it.

What are you attempting to convey here?

To many odd things to be creadible anymore lies on lies covered by more lies.

See above.

Originally posted by 4nsicphd
BOAC ran a Nairobi to Cairo-Heathrow route in the 60s, 4232 statute miles in just over 9 hours. Heathrow-NYC-Hawaii (KHNL) is 8435 sm, doable in about 16 mileshours.

Where is your source for this? There were no direct flights from Hawaii to Europe or Africa in the 60's. Even for airliners today it around a day to fly from Kenya to Hawaii so how can you its doable in 16 hours? How can you argue the flights back then were as fast as the flights today? Can you provide evidence of a flight from Hawaii to Kenya in under a day in the 60's? Your the one saying this theory is possible so wheres the evidence?

Heres a recount of a cost of flight ticket from DC to Ohio, and this was domestic in roughly the same region of the US mind you:

because all airfares were controlled by regulation. If a roundtrip ticket between Cleveland and Washington was $75 on one airline, it was $75 on all the airlines.

$75 in the 60's. By all means do the math of the cost between Hawaii and DC, let alone Hawaii-London-Kenya during those days.

Mrs Dunham was between 6-8 months pregnant, probably within the month of her due date given this theory is about her being in Kenya for afew days, here is todays policy on pregnant woman flying:

•Medical certificate required if traveling within four weeks of due date (American Airlines further specifies that this rule applies for a normal, uncomplicated pregnancy).
•Travel is not allowed within seven days before/after delivery for flights that are less than five hours in duration within the United States. Exceptions may be made if the passenger obtains a medical certificate and is cleared by American Airlines' Special Assistance Coordinator.
•For international travel (or over major bodies of water, as in travel to Hawaii), American Airlines advises against travel within a month of the due date unless she is examined and obtains a medical certificate within 48 hours of departure stating that she is fit to travel. Approval from American Airlines' Special Assistance Coordinator is required within ten days of the due date and seven days after delivery.

airtravel.about.com...

What doctor in their right mind in 60's would allow a woman soon to be due to get onto a lengthy flight with many stops to arrive in country where she would require a number of vaccines?? Infact, which airlines at that time would allow a pregnant woman to come aboard in such a late period?

You claim its possible, so put the evidence where your mouth is and bring up some sources.

A ticket issued in the 60s would be worthless today, since tickets expire and become valueless after a year from flight date

The ticket? I was refering to the cost. The cost of the ticket in dollars compared to today. What on earth made you think I was talking about the plane ticket? I was talking about the cost, not the plane ticket exclusively.

Originally posted by vkey08
WE DID OUR OWN CHECKING!!

Im sorry what checking did you do?

You talk about the short form birth certificate online as a fake, and you reference the two "experts" online that are yet to truly reveal themselves and reveal their qualifications on a rightwing website.

You come up with a Kenyan birth certificate that turns out to be fake.

You claim both parents must be US citizens for a child to be a natural born citizen, yet you continue to fail to directly reference this out of the constitution.

You claim his grandmother said he was born in Kenya, yet on the actual audio tape:

1. She clearly denies he was born in Kenya and states he was born in Hawaii.

2. She is not his biological grandmother but his fathers third step mother.

3. The tape itself offers no proof that its actually her stating this, it just "claims" this woman to be her.

4. That Barack Obama is named after his father "Barack Obama" who is refered to in the same manner.

5. You claim his dual citizenship at birth disqualifies him, yet no where in the constitution have you referenced any such rule in the constitution.

You didnt do any checking. You just took whatever satisfied you personally interms of belief, not fact.

Originally posted by oneclickaway
If a document is a forgery,

The document is not a forgery, please. You decided to go ahead and listen to 3 loons on a politically bias website who have yet to reveal themselves and their authority over birth certificates.

For all you know they could be a bunch of kids posing as birth certificate experts, but you dont care as they said it was a forgery, and you just fit that right in with your own personal preferences over the matter.

Originally posted by oneclickaway
If a document is a forgery,

And by the way as I told earlier on. You claim the short form birth certificate online has not been authenticated and is a forgery, go to Hawaii and get the officials to verify it themselves. Why sit here and insist and ignore the statement from them when you can go ahead and do it yourself.

The race and political bias being shown by some posters is breath taking.
Were it a white republican sitting in the White House with seals placed on all his background details and I understand even some of his wifes (what happened to her law 'career') and fighting tooth and nail through the courts at the cost exceeding a million dollars to prevent any attempt to even establish the details of his birth, these same people who are making idiots of themselves trying to deny that something stinks to high heaven, these same deniers would be screaming from the roof tops.
We only had to see what happened immediately John Mccains eligibilty was questioned.
Yes, what happened - a birth certificate that was valid was produced and the whole matter was laid open and sorted to most peoples total satisfaction.
That there are people on this thread, so warped and twisted with race and political shoulder chips that they choose to ignore the American constitution and legitimate questions - why because in this case white is black and Republican is Democrat.
No wonder the world holds the USA in such contempt when it sees utter stupidity played out under the guise of PC gone mad.
Why is it impossible to release a full birth certificate. A passport application, a change of name documentation, school records including funding details. Why?
There is only one possible answer and to deny that there is no problem because of skin colour and political affiliation is blatant racism and ugly partisanship of the worst kind..

reply to post by Southern Guardian

The document is not a forgery, please. You decided to go ahead and listen to 3 loons on a politically bias website who have yet to reveal themselves and their authority over birth certificates.

Better than listening to a loon who still thinks Mombasa was part of Zanzibar at the time of Soetoro’s alleged birth, but I digress.
What I always find interesting is the divide. The people who believe Soetoro is accountable are, on the whole, intelligent and articulate. Those whose main aim in life is to worship Soetoro, regardless of who he really is, are often those who would say ‘pritty’ and call everyone a liar and other childish playground jibes.
What is also interesting is that those who are either directly supporting Orly, or have chosen to be her friends on Facebook, consist of many distinguished military and rather a lot of high ranking politicians, with not a kid in sight. We can’t all be wrong.

Originally posted by Emilymary
at the cost exceeding a million dollars to prevent any attempt to even establish the details of his birth,

here we have the same birther lie told as if it was a fact. Why are you ignoring the fact that Obama's lawyer involved in this birther nonsense is working pro bono? Why do you refuse to show a valid source that Obama has spent over a million dollars? Why lie that the details of his birth are not available?

these same people who are making idiots of themselves

the only people making idiots of themselves here are the birthers

Yes, what happened - a birth certificate that was valid was produced and the whole matter was laid open and sorted to most peoples total satisfaction.

funny then hoew in Obama's case a birth certificate that was valid was produced, and yet the birthers ignore it as it shows a black man is the proper POTUS

That there are people on this thread, so warped and twisted with race and political shoulder chips that they choose to ignore the American constitution

and they are called birthers

No wonder the world holds the USA in such contempt when it sees utter stupidity played out under the guise of PC gone mad.

the world holds the birthers in contempt as they are seen as racists

Why is it impossible to release a full birth certificate.

a full birth certificate has been issued.... why ignore it?

A passport application,

what makes you think that they are kept? what would it prove anyway?

a change of name documentation,

why does Obama need that, he has not changed his name...

There is only one possible answer and to deny that it is because of skin colour and political affiliation is just a lie

reply to post by Southern Guardian

And by the way as I told earlier on. You claim the short form birth certificate online has not been authenticated and is a forgery, go to Hawaii and get the officials to verify it themselves. Why sit here and insist and ignore the statement from them when you can go ahead and do it yourself.

LOL…try to keep up, I answered that way back.
I doubt a trip to Hawaii would persuade the Hawaiian Dept of Health to undertake document verification of an online image. Only Factcheck, a strangely misnamed organisation, could go to Hawaii and attempt to do that, as only they have that particular document. But they too would not get far because of the privacy laws of Hawaii. Still with me?.
the only way to verify any of the limited information shown on this alleged ‘certification of live birth’ shown online and to compare it with the information on the original, long form, paper birth certificate stored in their vault, would be to see it. I shall repeat again, the only people who can see that certificate are Soetoro aka Obama, and his immediate family having good reason to do so, with his permission. Are we done now or will you be suggesting I go check for myself for a third time?

Originally posted by oneclickaway
I doubt a trip to Hawaii would persuade the Hawaiian Dept of Health to undertake document verification of an online image.

Why not? You "doubt" they will verify it for you, but you are yet to try. It doesnt help you coming on here crying that its forgery if you dont bother to go ahead and try and get it verified yourself.

You cannot sit here and tell me its a forgery if Hawaiians themselves have yet to declare it so.

Only Factcheck, a strangely misnamed organisation,

Why is it strange? Because it doesnt tell you what you would like to hear? Did you know the Annenbergs supported Reagan during his presidential run in the 80's?

could go to Hawaii and attempt to do that, as only they have that particular document. But they too would not get far because of the privacy laws of Hawaii.

Privacy laws over what? The long form birth certificate is subject to privacy laws. The short form birth certificate, that has already been presented to the public is not. If this short form is a forgery, I am pritty sure you would be able to get a good statement from officials there over the matter. You dont believe the PDF statement from Fukino herself, so you might as well go there and verify those statements in person.

It doesnt help with your theory its a forgery as you continue speculating.

the only way to verify any of the limited information shown on this alleged ‘certification of live birth’ shown online and to compare it with the information on the original, long form, paper birth certificate stored in their vault,

Which Fukino had stated herself that she reviewed and verified that he was born in Hawaii:
hawaii.gov...

So if you want, you can even call Hawaiian authorities themselves and verify the statement above. After all, you want evidence in person and what better than to conduct it yourself. Heres her phone number: Phone: (808) 586-4410. Giver her a call. Verify with her yourself as to whether that statement is hers.

Soetoro aka Obama,

You are yet to provide evidence that Obama was legally adopted by Soetoro. I am talking about official identification that he was legally adopted. Until then the "Soetoro" name is purely of your making.


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A infamous man once said that if you make the lies big enough people believe them.
We have on this board some bigots who are so totally up the back end of Soetoro they are even prepared to ignore the few facts that are in the public eye about this man.
That he was adopted by his mothers Indonesian husband and took the name Soetoro - and the muslim faith and attended a muslim school - only open to Indonesian citizens and muslims.
That he has spent 7 figures defending the secrecy of his real identity and that it is impossible - as intended - to prove anything whilst all the records are under seal.
This is precisely the point. Virtually EVERYTHING about this man's background is SEALED.
This is totally without parallel and has to raise legitimate questions.
I can think of no other national figure now or in the past who has completely sealed all record of his past and I have never seen a more fool of a people to accept it unquestioningly as some Americans do.
What we see with Soetoro is a KKK in reverse.
Uppity white folk treated as scum. Break the American constitution , lie and deny.
Bizarre - from outside it looks like an act of mass hypnosis, sort of take me to your leader - yours is not to question who or why but send your kids to Iraq or Afghanistan to die.
Meanwhile you accept a person in the white house who no one knows for sure is even legitimate , who even took the oath of office in secret, and which the most corrupt Supreme Court in modern history is protecting after secret meetings between the chief justice and Soetoro... and America slumbers on.
Utterly bizarre.

Originally posted by Emilymary
That he was adopted by his mothers Indonesian husband

so show us proof that he was formally adopted then....

and the muslim faith and attended a muslim school - only open to Indonesian citizens and muslims.

Care to show us proof of that? Oh, just another birther lie!

That he has spent 7 figures defending the secrecy of his real identity

where is the proof that Obama spent that much? Why do you keep repeating that lie, and refuse to back your silly claim up?

Break the American constitution

any proof at all that Obama has broken the constitution? no, so why tell lies about it?

Meanwhile you accept a person in the white house who no one knows for sure is even legitimate

moist people know he is the proper POTUS, just a few birthers refuse to accept reality

who even took the oath of office in secret,

oh dear, here we have someone who now has completely lost it, making all sorts of lies up...

and which the most corrupt Supreme Court in modern history

any proof for that claim?

Utterly bizarre. Yes, you certainly are - what will you claim next - Obama is really a shape changing lizard?

Originally posted by Emilymary
A infamous man once said that if you make the lies big enough people believe them.

Tell me. How are your claims not lies if you refuse to provide evidence to back them up?

That he was adopted by his mothers Indonesian husband and took the name Soetoro

Really? Wheres the evidence? Where are the adoption documents? In the 1960's a foreign child had to be under the age of 5, or would have had to reside in Indonesia for atleast 5 years to gain automatic adoption in a foreign-indonesian mariage. Obama could not have being automatically adopted as he had only resided in Indonesia for 4 years and came when he was 6 years of age. He would have had to wait the specified time like all other foreign residents:

badfiction.typepad.com...

The theory that Obama is an Indonesian citizen spans from the fact he attented school there which was supposedly restricted citizens which is a lie. In the Indonesian constitution of 1945 it never forbid non-citizens to attend school. It stated that all Indonesian citizens have the right to an education but never prohibited foreign children:

badfiction.typepad.com...

and the muslim faith and attended a muslim school

First of all, religion is a choice especially in this country. Obama made the choice of being christian and you have no say in that. Neither is that of any relevance to his eligibility for office. Second of all, the school he attened was not muslim or religious at all. If it is, get the documentation to prove it.

Put the evidence where your mouth is or stop lying.

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reply to post by dereks


FYI. Obama publicly stated that he attended a Muslim school and a Catholic school in Jakarta. 2 years in each.

Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.

www.cnn.com...

reply to post by jibeho


The school itself never referred to itself as religious:
www.youtube.com...

From school officials themselves.

reply to post by jibeho


You can dislike CNN all you want, but those were the school officials.

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Originally posted by jibeho
Obama publicly stated that he attended a Muslim school and a Catholic school in Jakarta. 2 years in each.

yes, and? You do not have too be a muslim to attend a muslim school, nor do you have to be a member of the church of Rome to attend a catholic school...

reply to post by jibeho


Thanks for posting it as it confirms what derecks said. Pay attention, as this is what he/she was responding to:

and the muslim faith and attended a muslim school - only open to Indonesian citizens and muslims.

The link you posted actually disproves the other poster, lol!

This is taken from your link:

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."

Ouch!



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