Evidence of Stone Age amputation forces rethink over history of surgery

Originally posted by ucalien
reply to post by Aquarius1

 

Scientists unearthed evidence of the surgery during work on an Early Neolithic tomb discovered at Buthiers-Boulancourt, about 40 miles (65km) south of Paris. They found that a remarkable degree of medical knowledge had been used to remove the left forearm of an elderly man about 6,900 years ago — suggesting that the true Flintstones were more developed than previously thought.

People WAKE THE F*CK UP!!!!

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A 12.000 years old buffalo like skull was found to west of Leria river, Yakutia. The fossil was pierced by a projectile or something shot that blasted the bone at high speed, according to surveys. The skull is exposed in the paleontological museum in Moscow.

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38.000 years old found in excavation researches in 1921, Zambia. On the left side of the skull is a perfectly round hole nearly a third of an inch in diameter. Curiously, there are no radial split-lines around the hole or other marks that should have been left by a cold weapon, such as an arrow or spear. Opposite the hole, the cranium is shattered, and reconstruction of the fragments show the skull was blown from the inside out, as from a rifle shot. In fact, any slower a projectile would have produced neither the neat hole nor the shattering effect.

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240.000.000 years old soil sample found in Utah, USA, by William Meister, with a trilobite fossil smashed by a bootprint.

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12.000 years old cave painting found in Uzbequistan, by the Russian archeologist Gueorqui Chatseld. Very self-explanatory image...

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8.000 years old cave painting found in South America (???).

People you got to be f*cking kidding, reporting a prehistoric amputation made with a sharp stone, with several archeological evidences of modern technologies thousands or millions of years ago. Obviously some very serious sh*t happened in this planet before the raise of homo-sapiens and between intervals of stone-ice ages.

[edit on 31-1-2010 by ucalien]

Spot on, didn't I read a while ago that there were animal bone/s discovered in South America that were dated to be hundreds of thousands of years old and had arrow heads etc stuck inside the bone/s when no human or human like creature should have been in South America at that time?

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
reply to post by Aquarius1

 

That sounds like an interesting book. Do you happen to have the ISDN for that please? I will take a look and see if I can download it into my Kindle.

Another author that maybe worth looking up is: Joathan Gray.

I have just finshed a book of his "Deadmen's Secrets: Tantalising Hints of a Lost Super Race"

It is a little far-fetched at times, but overall, is good reading.

I have also recently read "Dead Men's Sercrets" and I agree with your assessment of it. Very far fetched in parts, especially when he goes into the fictional parts depicting the past. But it was informative in the factual areas and a good read.

It's good to see more of these finds coming through. Giving us some insight on the people of the stone age and how they may have been quiet intelligent. I love reading about this stuff.
I wonder if they knew a lot about disease or if they just amputated limbs because of huntings mishaps?

I am so glad that this thread has been produced (heartfelt thanks to the OP). It has long rankled with me that our ancestors are not given enough credit for thier works and labours (of which we are the result).
I was confused as to how our species could have survived without some medical ability, since our skins are not tough, and infection is so easy to spread, that the idea of humanity getting as far as it did without medical science is almost ridiculous!

Originally posted by TrueBrit
I am so glad that this thread has been produced (heartfelt thanks to the OP). It has long rankled with me that our ancestors are not given enough credit for thier works and labours (of which we are the result).
I was confused as to how our species could have survived without some medical ability, since our skins are not tough, and infection is so easy to spread, that the idea of humanity getting as far as it did without medical science is almost ridiculous!

This may be true, although you could also take the view that the medical sciences of today and the sterile environment we have created through our every day lives has lowered our immunity to desease.

Don't forget that even today, there are remote tribes (many undiscovered) who manage to survive quite well without medical knowledge any more advanced than knowledge of local vegetation etc.

Also, we know that our ancestors did die at a much younger age than we do today, which goes towards proving that without the medical sciences of today, they DID die from deseases and infections.

Just playing Devil's Advocate.

This article is a little to vague for my liking, though at least they word it so.
it should be known,it's been found that early man cared for their elderly and sickly, as graves have been discovered containing people who suffered major arthritis, or were crippled, but survived and showed care.
As remarked earlier in the thread, trepanation was a well known technique at a very early time period.

Stone age, and the different ages, occur at different times in different areas. Some indigenous cultures are still practicing stone age techniques, for example.
Anyway...
As for the Library of Alexandria, it suffered from several fires, and not just at the hands of the Christians.
It's ultimate destruction was a the hand of the Islamic invasion.
The Pope's order destroyed the Serapeum, which at one point contained some books of the Library, though it seems at least part of the library's collection was destroyed around the same time.
Supposedly, by the time the Islamic forces got there, there still remained enough material to heat their baths for months.


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Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
reply to post by Aquarius1

 

That sounds like an interesting book. Do you happen to have the ISDN for that please? I will take a look and see if I can download it into my Kindle.

Another author that maybe worth looking up is: Joathan Gray.

I have just finshed a book of his "Deadmen's Secrets: Tantalising Hints of a Lost Super Race"

It is a little far-fetched at times, but overall, is good reading.

Here is the Kindle version, I have the Trade Paperback, love the feel of a book in my hands........

ISBN-10: 193149892X
ISBN-13: 978-1931498920


[edit on 1-2-2010 by Aquarius1]

I want to thank all of your for your passion and interest in this topic, once in a while we come across a gem, when I found this article I got so excited I kept making mistakes putting the first post together, couldn't wait to get it up here, after the fact I thought it more then likely it would generate the same response with just the title and a link. Thanks again for sharing my passion and your excellent posts.

Originally posted by ucalien
reply to post by Aquarius1

 

Scientists unearthed evidence of the surgery during work on an Early Neolithic tomb discovered at Buthiers-Boulancourt, about 40 miles (65km) south of Paris. They found that a remarkable degree of medical knowledge had been used to remove the left forearm of an elderly man about 6,900 years ago — suggesting that the true Flintstones were more developed than previously thought.

People WAKE THE F*CK UP!!!!

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A 12.000 years old buffalo like skull was found to west of Leria river, Yakutia. The fossil was pierced by a projectile or something shot that blasted the bone at high speed, according to surveys. The skull is exposed in the paleontological museum in Moscow.

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38.000 years old found in excavation researches in 1921, Zambia. On the left side of the skull is a perfectly round hole nearly a third of an inch in diameter. Curiously, there are no radial split-lines around the hole or other marks that should have been left by a cold weapon, such as an arrow or spear. Opposite the hole, the cranium is shattered, and reconstruction of the fragments show the skull was blown from the inside out, as from a rifle shot. In fact, any slower a projectile would have produced neither the neat hole nor the shattering effect.

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240.000.000 years old soil sample found in Utah, USA, by William Meister, with a trilobite fossil smashed by a bootprint.

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12.000 years old cave painting found in Uzbequistan, by the Russian archeologist Gueorqui Chatseld. Very self-explanatory image...

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8.000 years old cave painting found in South America (???).

I don't know about these man.... Could you provide links for these pics and the interpretations of what we're seeing by some qualified specialists and from some reputable sources? Not saying yours are wrong but I just want to be sure of what I'm actually looking at here. Don't want to be misled...

I tried for instance googling this supposed cave painting which was discovered by the guy you mentioned for the below picture- turns out what you provided is an illustration

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the only write-up i could find was from a ufo website

In an article of the of French ufology magazine "Lumières dans la Nuit" ("Lights in the Night") issue 335 of February 2000, Didier Leroux tried to find the source of this image, successfully.

He found out that image was painted by a contemporary Russian artist to illustrate the cover of a 1967 issue of the "Sputnik" Russian magazine, in which there was an article devoted to the topic of visits of ancient astronauts 12.000 years ago, which had been inspired among other stuff by the prehistoric paintings in the caves of Fergana in Uzbekistan in which certain characteristics were considered as possibly some ancient close encounter of the third kind. These paintings seem to exist, but they are sometimes dated back to 2000 BC, sometimes 7000 BC, rather than 10.000 BC.

The cover illustration of the Sputnik magazine was cropped out and included in Erich Von Daniken's book "Chariots of the Gods," and thus instead of the true cave paintings of Fergana, the fictitious illustration spread as the real thing.

Sputnik magazine, published in Reader's Digest format, was published in several languages in the Sixties and was one of the rare publications where Russian scientists, as well as laymen and fantasy-prone authors were allowed to pass some texts to the West, amongst other things, texts related to the UFO phenomenon

the rest can be read here
www.ufologie.net...




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Just goes to show, primitive in no way equates to stupid.

There have been evidence of this sort of stuff for years in various journals that were anything but scientific... Makes you kinda wonder what other things of this nature are out there that have been discovered but laughed off...

reply to post by Aquarius1

You are so right, and we have no idea what scientists and archaeologist have put on the shelf because it doesn't fit their paradigm, there is much more out there to know, but will be ever be told.

Scientists and archaeologists aren't putting things on a shelf to fit a 'paradigm.' The thread's been very interesting without steering it away into typical wild speculations. The simple fact that the story is public knowledge and published on a popular free news website doesn't support theories of secrecy.

Some of the first evidence of medical intervention in hominids is suggested in the Shanidar Caves. We've found several neanderthal bodies buried within. One of these individuals lived to middle-age with a withered arm and serious cranial damage to one side of his face. That he survived so long implies some level of medical knowledge. It also shows that efforts have been made to help injured people a higher chance of survival.

Likewise, we have numerous skulls that show the owners survived trephanation...bone growth around the hole. Several tribes have used trephanation until at least the late 20th Century. Neolithic remains have been found across Northern Europe that show blade cuts (butchery) on various bones. The debate is whether the remains were cannibalised or prepared for the grave in some ritual process. The reason, I raise this is to show that our ancient ancestors were aware of skeletal and muscular systems. That some developed this awareness into amputating limbs is less surprising.

The number of people that (potentially) successfully underwent this surgery will obviously remain hidden in time. If we look at the mortality rate of amputees up until the mid-19th Century, it must have killed the vast majority of them. We're talking about a culture with no idea about sterilization or steel blades. It's fairly well known that they had anaesthetic and antiseptic plants, but still...it would hurt like hell and blood poisoning/ infection would likely kill within days.

reply to post by Kandinsky

Scientists and archaeologists aren't putting things on a shelf to fit a 'paradigm.' The thread's been very interesting without steering it away into typical wild speculations. The simple fact that the story is public knowledge and published on a popular free news website doesn't support theories of secrecy.

Kandinsky I am not talking about this topic in particular, I still stand by my statement that there is much hidden archeology that is being kept from us.

reply to post by Aquarius1


I don't think "hidden" so much as "ignored". For example, for the longest time, the theory of Polynesian migration to South America was ignored 'til evidence was, maybe, found not too long ago.

Polynesian South America?

Not hidden away, just ignored.

But I see the point you're making. If it is being done, it's a crime of sorts isn't it?

reply to post by Aquarius1

Kandinsky I am not talking about this topic in particular, I still stand by my statement that there is much hidden archaeology that is being kept from us.

Okay. I'll stand by the assertion that there isn't much hidden archaeology being kept from us. I won't ask how people know that stuff is hidden either. See. I just didn't ask it! We'll agree to disagree

If there was a cosmic catastrophe to stike Earth tomorrow that upheaved the land so badly that we lost all our high tech, wouldn't the survivors retain their basic knowledge?
Wouldn't they still do medical procedures?
And do you suppose, that thousands of years hence, the archeologists of the time would refer to us as "Stone Age"?

Forbidden Archeology
Where did we come from? What is the true history of humankind? Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson challenge the prevailing theory of Darwinian evolution with their groundbreaking work Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race.

www.mcremo.com...

I have followed Michael Cremo's work for years, website worth checking out, he has a great museum link there also.

Originally posted by Aquarius1
Kandinsky I am not talking about this topic in particular, I still stand by my statement that there is much hidden archeology that is being kept from us.

If it's hidden how do you know it exists?

It is hidden to the extent that it is not taught in schools.
The info is available to those who seek.

It is a mark of intelligence to be able to entertain a thought without believing it.

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Maybe I should have said forbidden instead of hidden, know it's not fair that I don't remember who did the program but it was either Discovery, Science, History or National Geographic channel who did a program on this a few years back, talking about artifacts that just don't fit so were put aside.

Got surpriced that they did that so many years ago.
Thanks for the info, Awesome.