reply posted on 20-2-2010 @ 09:37 PM by vicen
this is in response to dereks, - your posts make some excellent points, man. The innuendo & the speculation & the conjecture & the logical gyrations
with a lot of these conspiracy theories, although for some reason I find them interesting, when it comes to making solid statements, building evidence
& facts & a coherent case, - it's seems pretty far fetched.
Why introduce remote controlled planes, voice morphing, the ludicrous collapsing of buildings with the whole world watching on, the Mossad, rogue
elements in the CIA, nefarious neoconservatives, American imperialism, - it's all very dramatic, but is any of it actually real?
A 9/11 conspiracy theorist might say, in response to questions like - why has none of this spilled out ? Why did the conspirators devise a conspiracy
so unnecessarily elaborate, so transparent that any neophyte with a laptop & some spare time can crack the whole case open in 45 minutes? - the
retort one occasionally hears is, - They're so ultra powerful, that they know they're untouchable.
This is kind of like the deus ex machina of 9/11 conspiracy. The super powerful cabal/conspirators who secretly rule the world can do whatever the
hell they want. So what if tens of millions of people have found them out?
For me, this is a crucial issue, and all debate on 9/11 conspiracy has to answer this question of why the plot was so obvious, almost as if it had
been designed precisely in order to be discovered. It's not unlike those Lee Oswald lookalikes reported in various parts of Dallas just before the
assassination, spewing anti-JFK, pro Castro rhetoric. It's just all so blatant, so obvious.
Take the Pentagon as an example. The one area in that building you do NOT hit, the one area that will be a goldmine for conspiracy, is the area they
The one patsy you do not choose to pilot the Pentagon flight, the one patsy, at least according to some reports, who can hardly fly at all, ie Hani
Hanjour, this is the man they choose. The worst pilot for the most difficult hit - where is the sense in this? Unless it's all part of some grotesque
& perverted joke on the part of the conspirators, and anyone espousing this line really has lost his or her grasp on reality.
To me, none of this conspiracy makes sense. Let's not only smash remote controlled planes into the Twin Towers, let's actually bring those mothers
down too, with a massively elaborate scheme of remote electronic demolition, and, as some believe, let's break into people's homes, tap their
phones, morph their voices, pay off any dissenting relatives all of whom of course can be counted on to be complicit in the death & cover up of not
only much beloved relatives but also thousands of others of poor innocents, - women, children...Jesus christ, if someone told you the love of your
life had been murdered in the most horrific of ways, if you imagine his or her final terrifying moments, what he or she was thinking, praying, despite
surely knowing that this is it, - I say to any conspiracy theorist, - would you take some pay off?
and who does the paying off? What sums are involved? Where is the money deposited? Is it a lump sum or in installments? The conspiracy theorist's
response to these, and ten thousand other unanswerable questions,is something like, - Well, the ins and outs, the specific details, the nuts & bolts
of the whole thing, we'll never really know all of this.
If this is the case, it is deus ex machina #2, - "we'll never really know" is extremely convenient, as it pretty much absolves you from having to
construct a substantial theory.
I keep waiting to find something new re these theories, but they keep coming back to the same points, eg, - X doesn't believe that building 7 should
have fallen the way it did, or fallen at all, therefore X concludes that they were intentionally collapsed, and who could do this but the government,
therefore the whole thing is a government conspiracy. There are some extraordinary leaps here