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Originally posted by budski
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Excellent point about Neturei Karta, and also about Amish, who are also derided and looked down on by other sects.
Would it be correct to say that the treatment of this group is political in nature, given that Zionism is a political movement, and that they deride them in order to further their own goals?
Lithuanian Jews, who were students of the Gaon of Vilna, and Hungarian Satmar Hasidic Jews, who settled in Jerusalem's Old City in the early 19th century, were the forebears of today’s Neturei Karta.
Neturei Karta is a loosely governed group, without clear membership, that is united primarily by its view that there exists only one authentic form of Judaism as well as its anti-Zionistic ideology.
Neturei Karta see themselves as fostering a Torah-true practice of Judaism, unadulterated by any compromise. They consider themselves a bulwark against any innovation in Judaism or any Jewish practice.
In addition, Neturei Karta see themselves as being guardians over Jerusalem, rather than the Israeli government, until the Messiah comes.
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) have been present in Israel for a long time. Because of their belief that Jews would return to their land as a "sign of the time" of the second coming, the Mormon missionary Orson Hyde was sent to Jerusalem by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church in 1841, only ten years after the founding of the Church. Hyde recited a "Zionist prayer" and dedicated the land to the Jews from atop the Mount of Olives.
Originally posted by budski
Take ol' Dubya for instance, he invaded Iraq because "god told him to" and Blair eagerly backed him up.
Now if Ahmadinejad were to say something similar, oh, something like "god told me to attack Israel" certain posters on here would jump on that as a sign of his extremism - however, he has said nothing of the sort (unlike bush) and yet still people persist in labelling him as some kind of religious nutter.
Double standards really annoy me...
Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
reply to post by Mdv2
Iran is a beautiful country with a very dangerous zealous extremist leadership.
America is a beautiful country with a very dangerous zealous extremist leadership.
Irony! I love it...
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by mmiichael
Actually you neglected to point out why they were founded in 1935. It was over the alarm of Zionists murdering Jewish shopkeepers and Jewish Famers who hired Arab workers in defiance of the Zionist Manifesto. The Zionist Manifesto amongst its many strategies to dominate the entire Middle East from the brooks of Egypt to the Mesopotamian Delta called for the economic boycott and starvation of the indigenous Arabs.
Not only were these devout and faithful rabbis alarmed about Jews killing other Jews for an unseemly political purpose but they feared just as the majority of the Arabs did that the Zionist would never honor the terms of the British and U.N. Mandates to partition Palestine in to a self governed Arab and Zionist states with the Arabs to have 52% of the land and the Zionists 48% and would in so doing disobey G-d’s commandment to the Jews to not attempt to rebirth Israel until the Jewish messiah appeared.
As far as Mormonism goes it does have many aspects of Talmudic law woven into it, but Joseph Smith compiled most of the information for the Book of Mormon from Egyptian and Masonic teachings and ritual.
Additionally the actual practice of Mormonism as put forth by Joseph Smith has been severely watered down and rewritten for political purposes to gain Statehood in Utah.
Those who practice true Mormonism is in fact in violation of not just the Talmudic Laws in the current book of Mormon but civil and criminal laws in the United Sates as well.
The actual Jewish Messiah has yet to appear and is likely stuck on the same lost bus as the mythical 12th Imam is.
I find it shocking though that Zionists are as religious intolerant as they are. It would seem to me that with those kinds of prevalent anti religious attitudes even against the most devout of the Jews that they are in real danger of practicing Hitlerism themselves.
Very scary perspectives and attitudes where we see and we see quite often Zionists slandering and defaming the practice of the actual devout Jews who adhere to its fundamentals and principles, technically it would make Israel not a very Jewish friendly nation, which is pretty evident by the huge numbers of Orthodox Jews who prefer to live abroad and not in Israel, and the extraordinary high rate of emigration of Israelis who were born and raised in Israel and are desperate to live in much more tolerant places like Miami Beach where I live that has a huge number of Israeli immigrants who were born there who are in fact desperate not to want to have to live in Israel.
When we see the Zionists ripping on and slandering the actual devout and practicing Jews like we have in this thread its easy to understand why so many Israelis do flee it for the religious freedoms we guarantee here in the United States.
Originally posted by SyphonX
I love people that come in here and claim Iran persecutes and kills Christians, non-believers and "protesters". Either that, or they are "imprisoned."
Yet you fail to recognize the west does this on a near daily basis. G20 summits ring any bells? How about the Olympics? How about any protest? You see all those shock troops and violence?
Oh, that's right.. all those protesters deserved it, and anyone killed was 'an accident', but since it happened in Iran, then it was Ahmadinejad himself that did these acts, and he is a tyrant.
Not to mention, we are at war with TWO countries and in conflicts with PLENTY more, while we try to start MORE war with Iran, Pakistan, Yemen and even Venezuela.
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