I am new here and I am pleased to find some freethinking people left in the world.
I am an Independent Conservative Christian.
I have been with my wife for 16 years.
She is Jewish born and of Christian faith and we hate no one.
She is more liberal than I am, we balance each other.
I have a question for the good people here in this place of ideas.
Have you heard of the PNAC document?
Check this out and let me know what you think.
I got this information from this web site.
From page 50 through 51 of PNAC:
“A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing
and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies.
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing
event - like a new Pearl Harbor.”
Gasp! You say?
So, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, the march to empire and US global domination would be a long one in coming, the authors of PNAC
admit. Did they say to themselves?: "Well, let's cook up a catastrophic and catalyzing event---a new Pearl Harbor---to assure and fulfill our plans
for oil and empire building."
The Project For The New American Century (PNAC) is the blueprint of the illegitimate Bush regime. PNAC is about empire building, world domination by
the Bush regime and remaking the Middle East in "America's Image."...Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt and others.
PNAC was written long before 11 September 2001. PNAC started with Wolfowitz in 1991, Richard Perle did a think tank piece in 1995 in which he said the
US had to get rid of Saddam Hussein, then “we” have to go after Syria and Iran to protect the military supremacy of Israel.
Here’s the list of the evil people of PNAC. These are the evildoers who signed PNAC's Statement of Principles:
Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis
Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P.
Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz
Please keep an open mind if you think what we're about to say is unconscionable. It is indeed our opinion (we repeat, this is our opinion) that the
Bush regime cooked up and pulled off 11 September, and from listening to talk show programs many other people are now coming to this same conclusion,
based on what we know so far. Also, please read:
Rose: Arrogance, or something darker?
Excerpt: If you want to know why 9/11 was allowed to happen you may not have to look any further than the Oval Office... PNAC, Project for the New
American Century, was organized in 1997 by Zionist neo-cons Robert Kagen and William Kristol. It is funded by three foundations closely tied to
Persian Gulf oil and the weapons and defense industries. Members of PNAC included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush and Paul Wolfowitz, a
director of the organization. All signed a statement of principles, one of which was to promote "American global leadership" with special emphasis
on Arab countries. Another was to "transform" the U.S. military with huge increases in defense spending. Here's the chilling kicker: To convince
the American people to spend extra billions for defense instead of on Social Security, Medicare, etc., PNAC suggested it would take a "catastrophic
and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor." (PNAC's exact words.) [End of Excerpt]
First, let's look at the type of people we're dealing with here. Let's go back to the 2000 presidential election/selection. We put absolutely
nothing past these repugnant Bush people after they stooped to the level of the gutter, demanded to stop the counting of votes in Florida, and stole
democracy from the people during the rigged 2000 presidential election which ended in the 2000 Judicial Coup. We remember that it was Jeb Bush
(Governor of Florida), who assured his brother (George War Bush) that he (Jeb) would "deliver Florida" to his brother in the 2000 presidential
election-selection. Very convenient considering Jeb Bush is one of the signatories of PNAC. These repugnant people HAD to get back in the White House
by hook and crook---it was a must for them---in order to accomplish the goals of PNAC. Following the Judicial Coup which launched our website, we said
“Expect the very worst from this crowd, this illegitimate Bush regime. These arrogant and dictatorial people will do anything and we mean anything,
regardless, because they think they are above the law; they have nothing but contempt for the law and democracy as was exhibited during the 2000
presidential election.” It was not within the law of the land—the US Constitution—for five right-wing fundamentalists ("Conservative Republicans")
on the US Supreme Court (appointed by Reagan and Bush Sr) to select their favorite presidential candidate, this Bush, to reside in the White House. No
court in this land is to have a role in a presidential election according to the US Constitution. A disputed presidential election is to be decided by
the House of Representatives, not by a court.
Secondly, have you read the Project For The New American Century (it's a PDF file) and Project For The New American Century Statement of Principles
where the authors of that document, as we said earlier, speak of needing a "new Pearl Harbor” in order to begin putting PNAC in to place? That Pearl
Harbor occurred on 11 September 2001, just nine months after Bush was selected to occupy the White House. Was this "Pearl Harbor" a coincidence? We
don't think so. The goal of PNAC is for US world domination and empire building. Oil and empire. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt and on and
As Dr Bernard Weiner writes:
"But, in order to unleash their foreign/military campaigns without taking all sorts of flak from the traditional wing of the conservative GOP --
which was more isolationist, more opposed to expanding the role of the federal government, more opposed to military adventurism abroad -- they needed
a context that would permit them free rein. The events of 9/11 rode to their rescue. (In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that
"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event --
like a new Pearl Harbor.")"
Before 11 September, Bush desperately needed a war somewhere to get his popularity up and to appear legitimate and “presidential” in the role of
“Commander & Chief.” How else could the Bush regime justify a war in order to begin the goals of PNAC without the States supposedly being attacked? As
the authors of PNAC write in that very document, they need another Pearl Harbor to kick-start the goals of PNAC. The events of 11 September were also
the kick-start for Bush's phony "war on terrorism" which is really a "war" on civil liberties and the erosion and shredding of the US
Constitution and Bill of Rights through the Patriot Acts. Please read:Amnesty: US 'War on Terror' Has Made World Worse.
Cheryl wrote in her email:
"That would be much more than an impeachable offense, it would be treason for a president [sic] of a country to kill over 3000 of its residents."
We would just respond to that by saying that if anyone thinks George War Bush has any regard for life, they should think again. As governor of Texas,
Bush was proudly known as the "killing'st" governor (pro-death penalty), and in just two years as White House resident he's already taken the
States on two terrorist attacks---he calls them wars, we call them what they are, since war is terror---of Afghanistan and Iraq killing thousands of
innocent people and other animals. A regard for life? We don't see it. Ask the innocent civilians of Afghanistan and Iraq if they think this
so-called "Christian" Bush is "pro-life," as he claims he is after he's killed thousands of men, women, children, pregnant women and other
animals. And US service people are being killed every day in Iraq because George War Bush is willing to keep them in harm's way for the purposes of
PNAC. The war in Iraq has just begun contrary to the claims from this Bush that the war in Iraq is over. (For a first-hand account of what is
happening in Iraq on a daily basis, please read "Where is Raed?")
As a prominent San Francisco talk show host has said:
September 11th was the best thing to happen to George W Bush (politically speaking),and that is absolutely correct.
In addition, as you will recall, the horrible events of 11 September 2001 occurred just like clockwork. Is was extremely well planned. Why is that?
Because it was an “inside job?” The hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. And the Bush Family has financial ties to the Bin Laden Family. But
did Bush launch a war (his terrorist attack) in response on Saudi Arabia following 11 September? No, he bombed the hell out of Afghanistan. Why would
he do that? Because there's an oil and gas pipeline needed through the mountains of Afghanistan (again PNAC). Please read: BBC News: A war for the
pipelines? and Afghanistan plans gas pipeline.
And why has Bush blocked any serious investigation into 9/11 if the Bush regime has nothing to hide? Furthermore, check this out from the corporate
Classified: Censoring the Report About 9-11?
Bush officials are refusing to permit the release of matters already in the public domain—including the existence of intelligence documents referred
to on the CIA Web site.
Why is the Bush regime refusing to release the report about 9/11 if they have nothing to hide? Anyone have a clue?
And what about the families of those killed on 11 September?:
Lingering Questions. The families of 9-11 victims are still raising pertinent issues about the intelligence failures that led to the attack. Plus, Is
Washington hyping the Qaeda threat?
In a long-awaited, closed-door meeting, FBI director Robert Mueller ran into a buzz saw of criticism this week from irate family members of September
11 victims over the bureau’s handling of a range of matters relating to the terror attacks.---Freedom of Information Center (Newsweek)
We, at q2112.com, have never said that it is a fact that the Bush regime was responsible for the events of 11 September 2001. What we have said very
clearly on our website is that it is our opinion that the Bush regime cooked up and implemented 11 September, or at least they knew it was coming,
welcomed it and allowed the events of that morning to take place for their own (personal) political goals and agenda.
This Bush himself made the following repugnant and disgusting comment where he said he had hit the “Trifecta” shortly after 11 September and we
How Bush Hit the 'Trifecta' on 9/11--and the Public Lost Big-Time
“Bush, in the weeks before September 11, pledged to honor the sanctity of the Social Security lockbox except in the event of recession, war, or a
national emergency. But after "everything changed" on 9/11, he reportedly gloated to his budget director, Mitch Daniels, "Lucky me--I hit the
trifecta!" At the time, this comment (a variation of which is being recycled for laughs at current GOP fundraisers) seemed merely offensive. But in
light of revelations that Bush's August 6 briefing memo was titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike U.S.," Bush's "luck" and weird prescience are
worth more than passing scrutiny.”—Baltimore Chronicle
You will recall that during the morning of the 11 September attacks, Bush was reading to school children. When a Bush aide whispered in Bush's ear
that a jetliner had crashed into the first WTC tower, Bush responded by continuing to read to school children. His facial expression was not of
surprise in the least. Instead, his facial expression showed that he was thinking, "Good, things are going just as planned." Would you have
continued to read to school children (for approximately 20 minutes more) if your country was supposedly under attack?
"On the morning of the attack, you and members of your staff were fully aware of the unfolding events yet you chose to continue on to the Emma E.
Booker Elementary School to proceed with a scheduled event and "photo op". While our nation was under attack you did not appear to blink an eye or
shed a tear. You continued on as if everything was "business as usual"."---Ellen Mariani in her open letter to this Bush
We firmly believe there was too much at stake---as we’ve already explained repeatedly above---for the Bush regime not to have been involved or created
the events of that day themselves.
Yes, as Cheryl mentions in her email, this would certainly be an impeachable offense and also a capital offense, but as there is no opposition party
in the States any longer, impeachment is not about to happen. It looks like the investigations of 11 September have pretty much been conveniently and
forcefully swept under the rug by a giant Repugnicrat broom, although the UK is still investigating PM Tony Blair's role in PNAC.
Clare Short of the British Parliament recently said that PNAC is why the UK went to war in Iraq, and not the phony excuse Bush and Blair gave of
Yes, we do indeed think that # needs to hit the fan and hard and splatter all over the place, but somebody has got to turn on the switch to the fan
first, and that somebody needs to be the public.
The Marketing of Terror by the Lying Bush Regime
To quote from the following article: "The prevalent view in this country is that they can strike again, anywhere, anytime, and the government can't
stop it." And we would add especially when the world's #1 terrorist resides in the White House: Why Is the Bush Regime Terrorising the States?
Living in 'apocalyptic fear'
Americans more scared than ever
"Fear is something this administration [sic] has been selling for two years. You sedate the populace with the drug of fear and maybe the electorate
won't notice what a mess you have made, not only of domestic
politics, but also our international relations. In order to conceal, disguise, dress up their own incompetence, they beat the constant threat of war
and fear.---Lewis Lapham Editor/Harpers magazine
Also, please use Google for more searches on this subject. Google will provide you with ample credible information and opinions on this topic.
"It is time for a non-violent revolution by the millions of Americans who are tired of their rights being diminished by the Bush Administration
[sic]; tired of the lies of the Bush Administration [sic]; tired of the lies about Iraq; and tired and disgusted with the lies about 911. Now is the
time to stand tall together and bring back our freedoms as they stood under the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution
of the United States."---from 911 for the truth
If People Weren't Wusses
US arms group heads for Lisbon,
Excerpt from article: The American based Carlyle Group is heavily involved in supplying arms to the Coalition [sic] forces fighting in the Iraqi
war...The SBC is headed up by members of Osama bin Laden’s family, who played a principle role in helping George W. Bush win petroleum concessions
from Bahrain when he was head of the Texan oil company, Harken Energy Corporation - a deal that was to make the Bush family millions of dollars...The
connection between the Bush and bin Laden families can also be traced to the collapse of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) in the
1990s. Members of the Anglo Pakistani bank’s board of directors included Richard Helmes and William Casey, business partners of George Bush senior and
former CIA agents. During their time at BCCI both Helmes and Casey worked alongside fellow director, Adnan Khasshoggi, who also represented the bin
Laden family’s interests in the US.)
Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting MEDIA ADVISORY: Media Silent on Clark's 9/11 Comments: Gen. says White House pushed Saddam link without evidence
Excerpt from article: But the June 15 edition of NBC's Meet the Press was unusual for the buzz that it didn't generate. Former General Wesley Clark
told anchor Tim Russert that Bush administration [sic] officials had engaged in a campaign to implicate Saddam Hussein in the September 11 attacks--
starting that very day. Clark said that he'd been called on September 11 and urged to link Baghdad to the terror attacks, but declined to do so
because of a lack of evidence.
We received this follow-up email from Cheryl after she read the above article:
"Wow! I just cannot believe it. I understand how hateful these guys are, and how nasty they are. I can see that really well, but to create a
situation like 9/11 is just beyond me. What do you know about the rumor that after all the planes were grounded in the US, that Air Force One was
flying all over the country picking up members of the bin Laden family to get them out of the US and back to Saudi Arabia so that the FBI could not
speak with them? I have never been able to substantiate this. It is true that within an hour or so, Osama bin Laden's face was appearing in the
newspapers and on the other media outlets. Our attention was on him immediately and who knows whether he even planned this.
Another rumor is that on 9/11 right after the two towers were hit in NYC, whereas the Air Force is ready for immediate action in terms of getting into
the air and taking out planes which they knew were deviating from their course, a command was given for the Air Force to NOT get into the air and not
do anything. Some folks are saying that they could have blown up the one that eventually crashed into the Pentagon out of the sky, but didn't. Was
there a command from higher up not to do this?---Cheryl"
**Opinion: A personal belief that is not founded on proof or certainty. A message expressing a belief about something