Eugenics, The Goal of The Elites for Population Control

I did a search in the forums, and didn't find this article so i decided to post it.

The following article is from 2003, and it is about the eugenics movement in the U.S. which apparently was the root for the NAZI eugenics, and the goal for the white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race to be in power in the world.

It all started in California and was created by people like David Starr Jordan who originated the notion of "race and blood" in 1902.

David Starr Jordan was a pacifist, eugenicist, ichthyologist, and educator.

There were many other intellectuals Liberals/pacifists, but also businessmen, and politicians who were part of the eugenics movement, but their numbers included also doctors such as Dr. Paul Popenoe, magnates such as Paul Gosney, bankers such as Charles M. Goethe, and members of the California State Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.

Eugenics also had extensive financing from corporations such as the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. The Rockefeller Foundation helped fund the German eugenics program.

Without further due, here is an excerpt from this article from which i gathered all information I posted above.

By Edwin Black
Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released War Against the Weak:

Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, from which the following article is drawn.

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a co-called "Master Race."

But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.

Eugenics was the racist pseudoscience determined to wipe away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in twenty-seven states.

In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.

California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the Twentieth Century's first decades, California's eugenicists included potent but little known race scientists, such as Army venereal disease specialist Dr. Paul Popenoe, citrus magnate and Polytechnic benefactor Paul Gosney, Sacramento banker Charles M. Goethe, as well as members of the California State Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Stamford, Yale, Harvard, and
Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

Stanford president David Starr Jordan originated the notion of "race and blood" in his 1902 racial epistle "Blood of a Nation," in which the university scholar declared that human qualities and conditions such as talent and poverty were passed through the blood.

In 1904, the Carnegie Institution established a laboratory complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island that stockpiled millions of index cards on ordinary Americans, as researchers carefully plotted the removal of families, bloodlines and whole peoples. From Cold Spring Harbor, eugenics advocates agitated in the legislatures of America, as well as the nation's
social service agencies and associations.
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The entire article is a good read, and believe it or not we know also for a fact that the eugenics movement is still alive today, and it has many advocates who are in power throughout the world.

But the eugenics movement seems to have shifted gears a bit, instead of concentrating in making white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordics as a master race, eugenics these days focus mostly on getting rid of the disadvantaged, the poor, the mental, or physical disabled, etc, etc.

President Barak Obama appointed as his science czar John Holdren, a known advocate of eugenics, and President Obama himself has stated to elder people that they might be better taking the pill instead of getting more expensive treatments, or operations which doctors think could help them, but which are not "economically viable."

www.youtube.com...

There are many Liberals/Progressives etc in power today who are advocates of one form or another of eugenics.

There are examples like Liberal Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

In an interview with the New York Times, Ginsburg admitted that abortion is about getting rid of certain types of people that the elite do not want to have around:

"Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we dont want to have too many of."

futurestorm.blogspot.com...

The world's Socialist elites, which comprises many Liberals, Democrats/Progressives, Socialists etc, are not even afraid to admit that they want depopulation, and population control.

Many of these people, and institutions are the same ones who created the German eugenics program.

Billionaire club in bid to curb overpopulation

America's richest people meet to discuss ways of tackling a 'disastrous' environmental, social and industrial threat

John Harlow, Los Angeles

SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population and speed up improvements in health and education.

The philanthropists who attended a summit convened on the initiative of Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, discussed joining forces to overcome political and religious obstacles to change.

Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of Americas wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

These people hide behind the claims that "they are doing it for the good of the world", but the truth is that they are using lies, and exagerations only to further their own agendas, which do not include to help mankind but rather to have us under their control.

Some of the new advocates for population control, such as Oprah Winfrey, are probably not aware of the real agenda behind all of this, but who knows maybe they are aware and they don't really care.

The eugenics movement is alive and well today, and it is hiding behind the claim that they are just trying to help mankind, and "save the Earth".

This reminds me of a few quotes which are directly related with this article.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L. Mencken

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt

"Find out just what any people will quitely submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." -Frederick Douglass.

[edited for errors and to add comments.]





[edit on 21-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

I added some quotes, and some statements which are very telling.

When you indoctrinate, and convince people to accept certain actions, policies and goals, and unless people are aware of the true intentions, and the true goals of those behind these goals, policies, and actions, who will say no to " let's do this for the good of mankind, and to save the world"?....

Many people fall too easily in the trap of the elites when the elites claim "this is for the good of mankind, and to save the Earth".... People become emotional and no matter what sort of evidence you show them it is very difficult to make them see the truth because they are reacting emotionally, and not thinking critically and logically.


[edit on 21-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

edit to add my comments brought nothing of value to the thread...



[edit on 1/21/2010 by happygolucky]

Originally posted by happygolucky

All other content aside, please give a link or a worthy explanation as to how she or HARPO productions plays a part in your 'short story'..?

Well obviously you did not read the excerpts and links that i gave. Neither did you understand the part where i said the Eugenics movement has "shifted gears" and they are concentrating now on eliminating the poor, the disadvantaged, the mental, or physical disabled, etc... or as Liberal Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg calls the "undesirables"...

I gave several links and excerpts and i explained exactly what i meant...

Originally posted by happygolucky

But wait...there's more -
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WTF..? The number of people involved with this leaves little chance for success by TPTB.


This is crap...

What is crap is that you obviously decided not to read the links, and excerpts provided.

If you actually had any patience, and if you had decided to read the excerpts and links i gave you would have seen the following....which I am excerpting again.

May 24, 2009

Billionaire club in bid to curb overpopulation
America's richest people meet to discuss ways of tackling a 'disastrous' environmental, social and industrial threat

John Harlow, Los Angeles
SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population and speed up improvements in health and education.

The philanthropists who attended a summit convened on the initiative of Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, discussed joining forces to overcome political and religious obstacles to change.

Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of America’s wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Some of the goals of the eugenics movements have shifted, or changed, at least on the surface, and as i said they are concentrating on trying to get rid of the "poor, uneducated, mental, or physical disabled etc"....

I also said that some of these "billionaires" might not even know the true goals of the eugenics movement, but of course somehow, and for some reason you became blind and did not read those parts of the thread.

Please if you are going to post a comment about a thread at least have the decency, and patience to read it all...





[edit on 21-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

I would like to dispute your OP. I really would, but all I have to do is a search here at ATS. I do not even have to leave the site.

Eugenics is a long and prolific endeavor by the power elite.

To dismiss it because of the inability to ascribe systemic values to specific people or groups, in and of itself is ignorant.

They have stated the purpose, they have stated the regime, do you expect us to try and remove a negative canotation because of the bravado they espouse?

Each and every elitist endeavor has shown their proclivity for the exact regimen they try to deny.

Why? The world population they always come back to, be it Global Warming or the Sustainability Curve. We are but worthless eaters, for we all know, that I am but a leaf on the wind, nothing more valuable than a cog in the bigger and better world of global elitism.

I hope I am incorrect, that maybe the elites hope I can contribute. But, I doubt it.

S&F

This is a VERY important subject - needs revisiting. Desperately.

The financial crisis, coupled with health and other crises is going to make it seem we have "some hard decisions to make." ...We don't really, but it will seem that way because we will be pushed to support eugenics policies.

Thank you for this thread ElectricUniverse.

- sofi

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No, no...

I did indeed read the link...my issue was with including T.V. stars as a valid source.

Some of the new advocates for population control, such as Oprah Winfrey, are probably not aware of the real agenda behind all of this, but who knows maybe they are aware and they don't really care.

This 'claim' tripped me out...I have no problem with the fact that certain individuals of prestige, power, so on so on, have an impact or part to paly in regards to your OP.


It jsut seems that quite a few threads around here throw anyone under the bus without due dilligence.

I just wanted a more concrete linlk/explanation/source for your comment on oprah, as it seemed petty to throw that in...

So - that was my original point...I just edited it since I'm 3 sheets-to-the-wind.


edit to add:

Please if you are going to post a comment about a thread at least have the decency, and patience to read it all...

I did, but I apologize for the comments regardless...

[edit on 1/21/2010 by happygolucky]

ElectricUniverse,

Both the Left and the Right support eugenics policies - now and in the past.

Can you explain WHY this particular "solution" is so agreeable to both ideologies?

Thanks, sofi

You say these wealthy benefactors are probably oblivious to the real cause, people who are as shrewd with money as they are in their personal lives? I think not. To think that these people don't know what they are actually supporting is naive.

Eugenics has always been about eliminating the poor and unwanted. Its just more palatable to frame the practice from the desired end result rather than the actual process.

Sir Francis Galton systematized these ideas and practices according to new knowledge about the evolution of man and animals provided by the theory of his cousin Charles Darwin during the 1860s and 1870s. After reading Darwin's Origin of Species, Galton built upon Darwin's ideas whereby the mechanisms of natural selection were potentially thwarted by human civilization. He reasoned that, since many human societies sought to protect the underprivileged and weak, those societies were at odds with the natural selection responsible for extinction of the weakest; and only by changing these social policies could society be saved from a "reversion towards mediocrity," a phrase he first coined in statistics and which later changed to the now common "regression towards the mean."

en.wikipedia.org...


On the subject of abortion, planned parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger to curb the numbers of the black population. She even lectured at KKK meetings. Today, abortion kills as meny black people every four days as the KKK did in 140 years.

Originally posted by happygolucky
This 'claim' tripped me out...I have no problem with the fact that certain individuals of prestige, power, so on so on, have an impact or part to paly in regards to your OP.


It jsut seems that quite a few threads around here throw anyone under the bus without due dilligence.

I just wanted a more concrete linlk/explanation/source for your comment on oprah, as it seemed petty to throw that in...
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Friend, I gave the link which clearly states that billionares, which include Oprah Winfrey attended a meeting for the purpose to "curb overpopulation" and to tackle a "disastrous' environmental, social and industrial threat...

The link clearly says Oprah is part of that group. She might think it is being done for a good cause, but it is not...

These people are using the economic crisis, which the rich elites created, they are using AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming) which we have proof now to be nothing more than a scam, and other crisis to get more power, and to crub the population of the world.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by soficrow


Probably the common goal is power. Money, and power over people.

The elites are using Socialism, which is the perfect excuse to consolidate power to a select few, imagine who those select few will be, and they will claim they are in power for the people of the world, and anything, and everything they do is "to save the planet, and save the future generations of our children".... When in all reality they are just saving the future for their children, making sure they will be the next ones in power when their time comes, and the regular people in the world will still be under the control of these few elites. In order to do that they also need to crub the population of the world, because with too many people it is more difficult for the Socialist elites to stay in power.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by RowenaMcQueen
You say these wealthy benefactors are probably oblivious to the real cause, people who are as shrewd with money as they are in their personal lives? I think not. To think that these people don't know what they are actually supporting is naive.

I didn't say all of them, I said maybe some of them don't know what this is all about. But you can find what this is about by checking the history of eugenics.

It is like this, just like there are many regular people who are believing the lies that the elites are doing what they are doing "for the good of all, and to save the Earth, and mankind", there are probably also SOME billionaires like Oprah who might not know exactly what this is all about. But you can be certain that others such as the Rockefellers know exactly what they are doing since they funded the German eugenics which was the cause of the holocaust.

Those elites, like the Rockefellers, they want to start another holocaust, or something similar, but people have been indoctrinated into believing that it is being done "for the good of all, and to save the Earth."

[edit on 22-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Hey electricuniverse mi amigo,

I KNOW you're onto something real here. But. We diverge. Here's my take:

The masses are manipulated and polarized into thinking "Us v/s Them." People are manipulated into believing it's Commie/Socialists/Liberals v/s Capitalist/Corporatists/Conservative. (And Democracy is left out in the cold.)

Really - really, really, really - the world is NOT really polarized.

The puppet masters set our strings and pull them. They tell the Liberals that eugenics is good for the world because it's over-populated, people are destroying the environment, yadayada; they tell the Conservatives that eugenics is good for the world because Conservatives are genetically superior, that the human gene pool has been polluted, that no one should have to support the useless eaters, yadayada.

The puppet masters tell people whatever will make those people do what they want them to do. Sometimes it's a bit unclear, sometimes it's flippin' obvious - but it's all manipulation.

And FYI - The real puppet masters have no such loyalties or ideologies. They're all about making more money and winning the game - and using whatever comes along as an opportunity to get there.

Look broader and deeper, my friend.

Meetcha on the other side.

- sofi

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


When our environment is a city where going to a job and buying junk is rewarded, natural selection selects those who are most at home in this environment and thrive in it. These people tend to have "thin intelligences," meaning that while they can operate machinery or shuffle papers, their insight and broader wisdom are lacking. We have a choice: we can increase the expectations to which we hold ourselves and breed people of thicker intelligences who are smarter, nobler and healthier than those now, or we can decrease our expectations, and in consequence breed a mob of future generations who excel in bureaucracy, watching television, eating junk food and buying plastic gadgets. Stagnation, or a lack of change in our current standards, will likely lead to the latter outcome.

I don't see anything inherently wrong with eugenics. A species populated with the lowest common denominator will fail miserably. Upward ascent in the evolutionary chain is programmed into every living organism, we naturally strive to be the best and the top. Eugenics is simply this principle in action.

Do you want a species of genetic dead ends, idiots, and physically incapable individuals or one with genetically fit, intelligent, healthy individuals? We should be looking out for, and advancing the collective, by removing the "chinks in the armor", instead of supporting them and unnaturally elevating their status.

Originally posted by OrderOfTheDragon
I don't see anything inherently wrong with eugenics. A species populated with the lowest common denominator will fail miserably. Upward ascent in the evolutionary chain is programmed into every living organism, we naturally strive to be the best and the top. Eugenics is simply this principle in action.

Do you want a species of genetic dead ends, idiots, and physically incapable individuals or one with genetically fit, intelligent, healthy individuals? We should be looking out for, and advancing the collective, by removing the "chinks in the armor", instead of supporting them and unnaturally elevating their status.

We have changed our external and internal/cellular environments radically. So much so, that we need to adapt and evolve or we we won't survive in our "new" world.

...How can you tell who carries the appropriate adaptations and mutations needed for species survival?

BTW - "Survival of the Fittest" doesn't wash. The rules have changed.

reply to post by soficrow


This term, and Darwinism itself, are wildly misinterpreted. We cannot return to the past. We would like to set up a society that encourages its better people to breed more, thus improving the overall population quality. Our current society rewards those who have nothing else to which to devote their lives except earning money and being popular. This means that the future of humanity will be dominated by avaricious trolls ruling over masses of low-intelligence people. "Rule by the rich of the stupid" has often been used to characterize this future, and we realize that from that kind of future no promising culture, art, wisdom or technology will emerge. Humanity will have ended its evolution through regression toward an apelike state.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Eugenics has been a part of cultural discourse in the West ever since the days of Plato and Aristotle. Please don't claim it all started in 1902 in California, as this must confuse the hell out of anyone who is unfamiliar with the subject. Plato-bigskip-Gobineau-Schläffle-Ricker-Nietsche the list is so damn long I've already left out a big part.

To ascribe this doctrine to one side of the right/left spectrum is also something that doesn't jibe well with the evidence - as much of the 19th/early20th century eugenics was decidedly conservative in nature. It's funny that you cited Edwin Black first because if you would look at his work you would clearly know about the right's involvement with Eugenics.
That is in no way saying that Eugenics wasn't a big part of a certain type of "new liberalism" in the early 20th century and beyond.

I've always found it helpful to apply Richard Slotkin's Progressive/populist and Elitist/Gras-Roots Dichotomy to this debate instead of the conemporary ideas of left/right.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You are absolutely right on the money. That is exactly what this is about!


The free-energy and technologies to depollute the planet, they already have them, but guess what? They will not allow them to be released if it means that it's gonna increase the survival and procreation of the " inferior" races. All this New World Order and all the wars, drug and sex trade, and porn rings, it's all a means to an end. They will continue this until they can have their homogenous Aryan planet. George Bush said it, when they have their New World Order, then will there be peace, but all the wars and all the violence, and all the mind control, it's all just a means to create that Aryan world. That's what it's all about.

They can only come to create a better world, if it is to promote the Aryan race, and only then will the oceans and air be cleaned.

For now, they won't allow it, they'll only alow captialist hybrid technologies that still leave us slaves to oil and polluting the ecosystem, until they can scare us into a structure, where they can deny certain people the privelege to procreate.

A New World Order would allow them to control everything about the population. It would make it easier to insidiously get rid of the genetics they want to weed out. They can create viruses and cancers until they get rid of all that they don't want.