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Burn Notice : If You Were A Spy, and You Got A Burn Notice, What Would You Do?

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posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Burn Notice : If You Were A Spy, and You Got A Burn Notice, What Would You Do?

This thread is about if you were currently a "secret operative" working in a classified agency, what would you do, if you were given a "Burn Notice".


Quote from : Wikipedia : Burn Notice

A burn notice is an official statement issued by one intelligence agency to other agencies. It states that an individual or a group is unreliable for one or more reasons or purposes.

This is essentially a directive for the recipient to disregard or "burn" all information derived from that individual or group.


Most have heard of the television show by the same name, Burn Notice, which is a part of the inspiration for this thread, but as well it is an actual thing that Intelligence Agencies, and even some or a lot of Law Enforcement Agencies do.

Burn Notice on USA


Burn Notice 2009 Promo 2


Promo Burn Notice Season 3



Quote from : Burn Notice

Burn Notice is an American television action/drama series created by Matt Nix.

The show stars Jeffrey Donovan, Gabrielle Anwar, Bruce Campbell, and Sharon Gless.

The series premiered on June 28, 2007 on the USA Network.

The second half of season 3 will return on Thursday, January 21, 2010.

On July 28, 2009, Burn Notice was renewed for a fourth season.


Burn Notice : If You Were A Spy, and You Got A Burn Notice, What Would You Do?

I have as well done similar thread before like the one on the movie "Eagle Eye"

Eagle Eye : What Would You Do?

Now, I mentioned Law Enforcement agencies doing this, and it may not be named the same thing, it may be called being blackballed, or some other phrase, like "not a team player".

My best friend got blackballed from Law Enforcement after finishing Police Academy, when he went for a polygraph and it came back that he did not pass. Knowing him like I do and that polygraph's are not admissible in court and all that, they are not something I trust and I know my best friend inside and out.

He did nothing that the machinery of a polygraph would detect as a lie.

It's just a matter of perception with a pseudoscience machine that is barely even legal.

Anyway, now back to the thread at hand, what exactly what you do if you were a spy and you were given a "burn notice"?

Another version is the movies of the Jason Bourne character, that is a T.X.P. Directive.

The Bourne Identity (Trailer)


The Bourne Supremacy (Trailer)


"The Bourne Ultimatum" Trailer



Quote from : Terminate With Extreme Prejudice

In military and other covert operations, terminate with extreme prejudice is a euphemism for execution (playing on the expression "termination with prejudice" of an employment contract).

In a military intelligence context, it is generally understood as an order to assassinate.

Its meaning was explained in a New York Times report on an incident during the Vietnam War.

According to Douglas Valentine in his book The Phoenix Program (1990), the Central Intelligence Agency routinely used the term during the Vietnam War when sacking its locally hired operatives.

In cases of extreme misconduct, an assassination ("termination with extreme prejudice") was ordered.

The term was used the 1979 film Apocalypse Now, in which Martin Sheen's character, Captain Willard, is ordered to "terminate the command" of the allegedly insane Colonel Kurtz (Marlon Brando) with "extreme prejudice."

The term is also apocryphally used regarding organized crime assassinations where the assassin is expected to give little regard to preventing injury or death to those nearby the intended victim, with such collateral damage being explicitly encouraged in this specific instance.

It is meant to demonstrate that those who ordered the assassination are particularly on edge.


This thread was also inspired by these other ones I did which I loved doing because of my knowledge of history, the Intelligence Agencies, and Government.

Build Your Own Faraday Cage, Stop Nosey Listeners, and Survive

...and...

False Flag Operator, Become Sheep-Dipped Or Wolf-Dipped, and Become A Puppet Dictator?

...and...

Going To Your Public Library, Gathering Open Source Intelligence, and Surviving

...and...

How To Overthrow Your Own Government, Legally and Without Violence, In Order To Survive

...and...

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

In the last thread there an event happened to me, where I was messed with and that could be seen as similar to a "burn notice" because of the teenagers who tried to kill me, because they used drugs, were trouble-makers, and I did not go along with the flow of their plans.

So, I know what I would do, with a "burn notice", but I am interested to hear your thoughts on if it happened to you, and how you might handle it.

Burn Notice : If You Were A Spy, and You Got A Burn Notice, What Would You Do?

[edit on 17-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]




posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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Explanation: S&F!

I would Terminate either my involvement in the spying circus ring and/or my spy handlers with Extreme Prejudice and ASAP!

Personal Disclosure: What if I'm a Manchurian candidate and I know it and I've been given the TWEP GO! signal which will result in not just a burn notice but a burnt notice?


P.S. Bond "What? Do you expect me to talk?
"

Goldfinger "
No Mr Bond. I expect you to DIE!"



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by OmegaLogos
Explanation: S&F!

I would Terminate either my involvement in the spying circus ring and/or my spy handlers with Extreme Prejudice and ASAP!

Personal Disclosure: What if I'm a Manchurian candidate and I know it and I've been given the TWEP GO! signal which will result in not just a burn notice but a burnt notice?


P.S. Bond "What? Do you expect me to talk?
"

Goldfinger "
No Mr Bond. I expect you to DIE!"


Good answer, OmegaLogos.


Now, maybe I should have added a set of circumstances, or something.

I could always go back and edit it into it later.

Bond reference



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:27 PM
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Well Spartan,

Am I as kick ass as Jason Bourne? Let me rephrase, do I have a hollywood team to back me up in fighting, stunts and just over all bad ass-ness?

If so, then hell go all wild, get your revenge on those who would have you blackballed in this way and figure out whose pulling the strings.

However, If I am just some random CIA operative who doesn't really have much to do other than sit in a van and tape people's conversation, I would probably just take whatever earnings I had and dissapear.

~Keeper



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Well Spartan,

Am I as kick ass as Jason Bourne? Let me rephrase, do I have a hollywood team to back me up in fighting, stunts and just over all bad ass-ness?

If so, then hell go all wild, get your revenge on those who would have you blackballed in this way and figure out whose pulling the strings.

However, If I am just some random CIA operative who doesn't really have much to do other than sit in a van and tape people's conversation, I would probably just take whatever earnings I had and dissapear.

~Keeper


Good answer, tothetenthpower.


Like I said to OL, I should have probably set a set of defined circumstances.

I might go back and edit it in, but I like how you put your own in there, as well as the answers.

If you've read that "right-wing/left-wing" thread, you will see when fifteen teen, tried killing me, as a teenager, I brought the hurt with a four foot chain.

I never hurt them though because the circumstances did not warrant that action.

I was never corned and walked them into a bushwhack instead.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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another great thread!

S&F

I never knew that burn notice was actually named after that! this is something to think about.

can you also say on 9/11 that the order to pull building 7 was similar to a burn notice since a lot of financial records and backup systems that were held there were destroyed when the building came down?



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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Did anyone think of putting everything they know online in a crazy way so people say would know the real names of ther people who set up scams before 9-11 for the shadow governments retirements? Or real names of the people who helped al qaeda do a false flag terrora ttack the days are pregannt? ( the location of a recroding from andy schneider)I am olpen to all sugestions since that is my exact position and I will die very soon if it does not change. Swear to god the truth..sos



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Well Spartan,

Am I as kick ass as Jason Bourne? Let me rephrase, do I have a hollywood team to back me up in fighting, stunts and just over all bad ass-ness?

If so, then hell go all wild, get your revenge on those who would have you blackballed in this way and figure out whose pulling the strings.

However, If I am just some random CIA operative who doesn't really have much to do other than sit in a van and tape people's conversation, I would probably just take whatever earnings I had and dissapear.

~Keeper

the truth IF YOU WHERE AS KICK ASS AS BOURNE YOU WOULD NEVER BE CONSIDERED to be in a position of anything but official.. the real james borns traveling the world are nice christian who are not walking weapons.. i know I went through the program. I can answer any questions truthfully.. MK Ultra is th program of bourne so you kjow and running around with german european and russian spies you wold catch a fighter immediately.. in germany the russians would come to the barn t try to opick fights this was to see and test if i was a usa spy or not.. the true story of the war on terror if anyone really wants to know....



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by ugie1028
another great thread!

S&F

I never knew that burn notice was actually named after that! this is something to think about.

can you also say on 9/11 that the order to pull building 7 was similar to a burn notice since a lot of financial records and backup systems that were held there were destroyed when the building came down?


Oh, I've known about that, but not by that name, and I'm not telling the name I do know.



I am writing a book you know, well several actually.

Yes, 9/11 could have been a "burn notice" of a sorts, follow the money trail.

All of those buildings were about money, business, finance, and Intelligence Agencies.

So, hit the money, take more money from Treasury to give funding (covert fundraiser), and then pay it all back through the "Bailout", all a shell game.

A high-tech and complex shakedown, mixed with a heist, and a cover plan.

Nothing escapes my attention when it comes to the Intelligence Agencies.

Which is why I loved doing this thread.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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i would promptly go get some pizza and head over to the iranian embassy. then i would offer whatever i know. Now, seeing as i have a "burn notice" attached to me, the question is, does the CIA share that info with the Iranians?

And if so, what backwater country whose leaders have some kind of delusional plan that with some top secret info they can become rulers of the world could i go to? And they still trade and use gold currency?

i wonder if Djibouti would be down?


love and peace



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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I would hope that I'm as efficient as A. Jolie/Mrs. Smith...

Smart and deadly - can't beat that combo.

I'll take the man that can tango, too.



ed: and Yes, I know it's not quite the same thing...





[edit on 17-1-2010 by LadySkadi]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by M157yD4wn
i would promptly go get some pizza and head over to the iranian embassy. then i would offer whatever i know. Now, seeing as i have a "burn notice" attached to me, the question is, does the CIA share that info with the Iranians?

And if so, what backwater country whose leaders have some kind of delusional plan that with some top secret info they can become rulers of the world could i go to? And they still trade and use gold currency?

i wonder if Djibouti would be down?


love and peace


I'm sure North Korea, and perhaps even the Chinese would love to know whaty ou did lol.

Hell you could meet with Hamas and Al Queda while you were at it.

~Keeper



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by zeuseadam
Did anyone think of putting everything they know online in a crazy way so people say would know the real names of ther people who set up scams before 9-11 for the shadow governments retirements? Or real names of the people who helped al qaeda do a false flag terrora ttack the days are pregannt? ( the location of a recroding from andy schneider)I am olpen to all sugestions since that is my exact position and I will die very soon if it does not change. Swear to god the truth..sos


I've been on ATS almost five years, and I've been doing threads heading in that direction.

I know J.F.K. was killed by our Government, through cut-outs mixed between Russia and Cuba.

Short explanation, yes, but it's a pattern, and the fact that non-patterns create patterns, is something the people who do the sort of event like 9/11 never considered.

Think of the lack of corroborating evidence most "conspiracy theorists" point to as a smoking gun, as the slip-ups, foul-ups, and lack of discretion of those people in power.

The loose strings can be seen and you can pull them enough to unravel the veil.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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i didnt even think of North Korea. They fit the bill perfectly. Thanks tenth.
And im sure some African country could use my skillset. That is, if i was more than just a tap your phone and get the coffee agent.

If that was the case, id be like Brad Pitt in burn after reading. i'll just make something up. Sell it to the russians.lol

love and peace



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by M157yD4wn
i would promptly go get some pizza and head over to the iranian embassy. then i would offer whatever i know. Now, seeing as i have a "burn notice" attached to me, the question is, does the CIA share that info with the Iranians?

And if so, what backwater country whose leaders have some kind of delusional plan that with some top secret info they can become rulers of the world could i go to? And they still trade and use gold currency?

i wonder if Djibouti would be down?


love and peace


My opinion?

I believe if you had a "burn notice" and went to the Iranian Embassy, they would turn you over to the C.I.A., or kill you for them, or find a cut-out to do it.

Power like that is corrupt.

They want no loose ends, ever.

Which is why people are helped out in "assisted suicides" so often.

Me?

Well, let's just say, making them burn money, manpower, and time is the best option.

Depending on your particular set of circumstances, of course.

If they do not try to kill you, my example there, would be best.

If they do try to kill you though, all bets are off, and it's a Quarter Back Sneak mixed with a Hail Mary, and taking plays out of their book, until you need them.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by LadySkadi
I would hope that I'm as efficient as A. Jolie/Mrs. Smith...

Smart and deadly - can't beat that combo.

I'll take the man that can tango, too.



ed: and Yes, I know it's not quite the same thing...

[edit on 17-1-2010 by LadySkadi]


LadySkadi, feel free to elaborate.

Oh, and don't worry about the differences between "Burn Notice" and "Mr. and Mrs Smith".

I knew exactly what you meant.


Maybe me leaving it open-ended, without a defined set of circumstance might work.

A lot of people say I put too put into my threads.

I know how to do this but I'm just not in shape for it, currently.

Casino Royale - Madagascar Chase Scene (HD Quality)


The French call it parkour.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Parkour

Parkour (sometimes also abbreviated to PK) or l'art du déplacement (English: the art of moving) is the physical discipline of training to overcome any obstacle within one's path by adapting one's movements to the environment.

It is a non-competitive, physical discipline of French origin in which participants run along a route, attempting to negotiate obstacles in the most efficient way possible, as if moving in an emergency situation.

Skills such as jumping and climbing, or the more specific parkour moves are employed.

The object of parkour is to get from one place to another using only the human body and the objects in the environment.

The obstacles can be anything in one's environment, but parkour is often seen practiced in urban areas because of the many suitable public structures available such as buildings and rails.

Parkour practitioners are often called traceurs if male, or traceuses if female.


It is the same thing Jackie Chan does, but he is Asian.

Cinemassacre's Top 10 Jackie Chan Stunts


It is real stuff but most think it is only Hollywood entertainment.

Some of it is more real than others and some of it can get you dead if not done by a professional.

 


Public Service Announcement

DO NOT ATTEMPT THESE STUNTS : Leave Them To Professionals

MJ Morning Show Turkey Fry Fire 2009 - VHVIDEO.COM


Don't be a turkey, do not do anything in this post, without being a professional.

Otherwise, we'll all be laughing at you, on ATS in a B.A.N. Article.

I know I've laughed at most people who try stunts and get hurt.


[edit on 17-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:37 PM
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Explanation: Is it something along the lines of Scorched Earth [wiki] ???


Personal Disclosure: Finding myself Zugzwanged I would be thinking along the lines of "Scorched Earth be DAMNED! Plough Salt in it I say!" and I'm quite aware that may lead to a Heroic Failure! [wiki]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by OmegaLogos
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 

Explanation: Is it something along the lines of Scorched Earth [wiki] ???


Personal Disclosure: Finding myself Zugzwanged I would be thinking along the lines of "Scorched Earth be DAMNED! Plough Salt in it I say!" and I'm quite aware that may lead to a Heroic Failure! [wiki]


OL, yes, exactly!

"Scorched Earth" is a fine example.

Albeit, that is of course a military tactic, and for an army to pull off.

I had a manager who lost after six years of trying to make my life Hell.

Before she quit, she used a "Scorched Earth" policy, and got other people to quit prior to her quitting, to harm the business.

The thing is the store manager got tired of her drama, and I was the mediating presence that the shift-manager did not like, and she set up a spy ring and everything.

Six years, she made my life Hell, and I beat her.

As for the "Heroric Failure", that would be a Pyrrhic Victory.

I had a "Pyrrhic Victory" and through going through the fire, I became untouchable.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Interesting thread.

A friend of mine had me watch the show Burn Notice, and I admit it was pretty good. Shame that such real world events do happen, the problem with outing real clandestine and covert operatives is, it's bad practice.

To be frank in my reply, what would I do.

Burn them back, not that it would take much these days, as agencies are burning themselves like it is going out of style...

Then, I would go into business for myself. Start my own private sector company and offer the services I was trained to do, for others. I'm sure China or Georgia and even Ukraine or Yemen would be interested in having a private offensive double agent available for off the books operations. Obviously the US don't, other wise they wouldn't have burned you in the first place.

Think of it this way, the DIA or Defense Intelligence Agency recently had a contract available at the fedbizops webpage www.fbo.gov... for their "couriers" to recieve counter surveillance training, a job worth $77.7 million.

How would I maintain my company, easy. Strict enforcement of client confidentiality, and exeading the industry standards. The "Intelligence Community" may have some unique industry standards. But they are ones that will be in high demand for centuries to come.

Besides, I learned every thing I need to know from Sun Tzu.


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[edit on 17-1-2010 by ADVISOR]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by zeuseadam
Did anyone think of putting everything they know online in a crazy way so people say would know the real names of ther people who set up scams before 9-11 for the shadow governments retirements? Or real names of the people who helped al qaeda do a false flag terrora ttack the days are pregannt? ( the location of a recroding from andy schneider)I am olpen to all sugestions since that is my exact position and I will die very soon if it does not change. Swear to god the truth..sos


If someone did that, ATS management would erase the information in the SQL database... and replace it with a 404 page. Just like this one:
404'd threads

And many others threads my ATS monitoring tools have detected.


[edit on 17-1-2010 by ATS4dummies]



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