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This is Why i believe the Roswell Incident was a Conspiracy

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posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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As this is probably the biggest and most publicized UFO Incident maybe in the world but I’ve just been learning more about it myself and want to try and show why I believe what I do believe.

So I was watching a documentary late last night (I can’t remember exactly what the name was now) about the whole Roswell incident and how it was supposedly a major crash where actual bodies was recovered etc. and at first it was declared extraterrestrial by the government.

Then the government later that day showed how it was in fact an experimental high-altitude surveillance balloon meant to detect sound waves generated by Soviet atomic bomb tests and ballistic missiles from a secret project called Project Mogul.

This was all forgotten but 30 years later Jesse Marcel who was one of the men who were sent to recover the crash aswell as two Counterintelligence Corps Agents, Capt Sheridan Cavitt and MSgt Lewis Rickett, was interviewed by the Ufologist Stanton T. Friedman and it was discovered that in fact the governments story may not be entirely true.


"There was all kinds of stuff — small beams about three eighths or a half inch square with some sort of hieroglyphics on them that nobody could decipher. These looked something like balsa wood, and were about the same weight, except that they were not wood at all. They were very hard, although flexible, and would not burn….

One thing that impressed me about the debris was the fact that a lot of it looked like parchment. It had little numbers with symbols that we had to call hieroglyphics because I could not understand them. They could not be read, they were just like symbols, something that meant something, and they were not all the same, but the same general pattern, I would say.

They were pink and purple. They looked like they were painted on. These little numbers could not be broken, could not be burned. I even took my cigarette lighter and tried to burn the material we found that resembled parchment and balsa, but it would not burn - wouldn't even smoke. But something that is even more astonishing is that the pieces of metal that we brought back were so thin, just like tinfoil in a pack of cigarettes.

I didn't pay too much attention to that at first, until one of the boys came to me and said: 'You know that metal that was in there? I tried to bend the stuff and it won't bend. I even tried it with a sledgehammer. You can't make a dent on it,'" Marcel said.


He believes that the government really is suppressing the truth about UFO technology and about what happened at Roswell aswell. But over the years and as the incident gained more coverage more and more people surfaced.

Starting in the early 1990s, several individuals gave first-hand accounts of seeing aliens

First hand accounts of Intimidation




• Frank Kaufmann claimed to have various duties at the Roswell base, and his accounts started to appear in UFO Crash at Roswell, published in 1991. When interviewed by Karl Pflock in 1993, he claimed to have been a part of a nine-member team, the only ones permitted to "go out to the site," i.e. the location of a crashed alien craft and its crew. The site was north of Roswell, though he elsewhere claimed the site was on the Foster ranch. Kaufmann said his team came to the site and discovered a crashed craft split open, with an alien body thrown against the arroyo wall, another hanging from the craft, and three more alien corpses inside the craft. All were clad in "very, very close fitting one-piece" uniforms, "like wet suits," which were "silvery" and each had a "clear thing" where the belt buckle would normally be. The aliens were described as having smaller noses, eyes and ears (compared to humans), no hair, being trimly built, standing about five foot three, with "normal" hands. Their skin color was "paler, grayish."

• Gerald Anderson claimed that as a child of six, he saw aliens at the Plains of Agustin, where Barney Barnett was said to have also seen aliens. His accounts were featured initially in Crash at Corona, published in 1992. He, with his family, said he saw "a silver object... jammed into a hillside." He described seeing aliens: "[T]here were three of these crewmembers laid out on the ground... one sitting upright... They looked like they had bandages on 'em." He described the arrival of some archaeologists, then the Army.

• Sgt. Frederick Benthal, a photographic specialist, claimed that he and Cpl. Al Kirkpatrick were flown in from Washington D.C., to photograph alien wreckage and bodies. They were first driven north of town to one site, where Benthal said he witnessed covered trucks carrying wreckage of some sort. Then Kirkpatrick was sent to another site where they were picking up pieces, while Benthal was taken to a nearby tent. There he photographed several little bodies lying on a tarp. "They were all just about identical, with dark complexions, thin and with large heads. There was a strange smell inside the tent that smelled something like formaldehyde." Kirkpatrick later returned from the other site in a truck loaded down with wreckage. All their equipment and film was confiscated. They were returned to the base and then flown back to Washington, debriefed and told they hadn't seen anything.

• Sgt. Thomas Gonzales, in an interview with Don Ecker, editor of UFO magazine, said he helped guard a crash site and saw bodies and a craft. Ecker wrote that Gonzales said he saw "little men." They were human-looking but had eyes and heads slightly larger than human. The craft was an "airfoil" design.

• Jim Ragsdale claimed to have witnessed first-hand aliens and their craft. His accounts first appeared in 1994's The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell. He claimed, while out camping about 30 miles (48 km) north of Roswell with a lady friend, to have seen an object fly overhead and crash. He described seeing a craft partially embedded in the ground. Near the craft were "bodies or something laying there. They weren't very long... four or five feet at the most." He and his girlfriend threw some of the wreckage into their jeep and left as the army arrived.

Carried on in the next post...


[edit on 10-1-2010 by Rising Against]




posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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Walter Haut, Roswell public information officer, who put out the base flying disc press release, mostly denied any other direct knowledge of the incident. However, in his first affidavit he did state, “I am convinced that the material recovered was some type of craft from outer space.”

Then a few years before his death (in Dec. 2005) he elaborated on that statement. The 2002 affidavit, to be released after his death he stated he had direct knowledge about a spacecraft and alien bodies. "Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84, a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. ...I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside.

Once inside I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet (4.6 m) in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet (1.8 m) high, and more of an egg shape. ...Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features.

The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas over the bodies suggested the size of a 10-year old child. ...[Later Blanchard] would extend his arm about 4 feet (1.2 m) above the floor to indicate the height. I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies. ...I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space."

• PFC Elias Benjamin was an MP with 390th Air Service Squadron. On the evening of Monday July 7 or morning of Tuesday, July 8, he was placed in charge of escorting three or four bodies covered with sheets on gurneys from Hangar 84 to the Roswell base hospital. One appeared to be moving. During transfer, the sheet slipped off of one "revealing the grayish face and swollen, hairless head of a species that I realized was not human." Later at the base hospital, with the sheet removed, he could make out

"a very small person with an egg-shaped head that was oversized for its body.

The only facial features that stick out in my mind now are that it had slanted eyes, two holes where its nose should have been, and a small slit where its mouth should have been. I think it was alive." He noticed a "terrible smell" at the hospital. He had also seen metallic crash debris in the hangar which wasn't from a plane crash because it wasn't burned. Later, "I was debriefed and made to sign a nondisclosure statement. ...I was told that if I ever spoke about it, something bad would happen, not only to me, but also to my family."


Walter Haut, Roswell public information officer, who put out the base flying disc press release, mostly denied any other direct knowledge of the incident. However, in his first affidavit he did state, “I am convinced that the material recovered was some type of craft from outer space.”

Then a few years before his death (in Dec. 2005) he elaborated on that statement. The 2002 affidavit, to be released after his death he stated he had direct knowledge about a spacecraft and alien bodies. "Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84, a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. ...I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside.

Once inside I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet (4.6 m) in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet (1.8 m) high, and more of an egg shape. ...Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features.

The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas over the bodies suggested the size of a 10-year old child. ...[Later Blanchard] would extend his arm about 4 feet (1.2 m) above the floor to indicate the height. I was informed of a temporary

morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies. ...I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space."

• PFC Elias Benjamin was an MP with 390th Air Service Squadron. On the evening of Monday July 7 or morning of Tuesday, July 8, he was placed in charge of escorting three or four bodies covered with sheets on gurneys from Hangar 84 to the Roswell base hospital. One appeared to be moving. During transfer, the sheet slipped off of one "revealing the grayish face and swollen, hairless head of a species that I realized was not human." Later at the base hospital, with the sheet removed, he could make out "a very small person with an egg-shaped head that was oversized for its body.

The only facial features that stick out in my mind now are that it had slanted eyes, two holes where its nose should have been, and a small slit where its mouth should have been. I think it was alive." He noticed a "terrible smell" at the hospital. He had also seen metallic crash debris in the hangar which wasn't from a plane crash because it wasn't burned. Later, "I was debriefed and made to sign a nondisclosure statement. ...I was told that if I ever spoke about it, something bad would happen, not only to me, but also to my family."


Carried on in the next post...



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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Accounts of Intimidation




• Mortician Glenn Dennis said he received a death threat at the base hospital from a redheaded captain, who warned him if he talked “somebody will be picking your bones out of the sand.” The following day, Sheriff Wilcox talked to his father, a personal friend, and said, “…tell your son that he doesn’t know anything and hasn’t seen anything at the base.

They want you and your wife’s name, and they want your and your children’s addresses.” His father told him about the conversation with the Sheriff, so Dennis related the events of the previous day to him. Dennis also claimed that the nurse who confided in him about alien corpses subsequently was shipped off base and attempts to contact her via mail resulted in letters returned with "deceased" marked on the envelopes.

• Frankie Rowe, claims her father was a firefighter who on a fire run outside of town encountered a wrecked craft and alien bodies. Later, after seeing a state trooper with a piece of dull gray metallic foil from the downed craft that “would unfold itself”, she and her family were threatened into silence by military personnel who visited her house.

She said they told them: "They could take us out in the desert, and no one would ever find us again." In her affidavit she wrote, “I was told that if I ever talked about it, I could be taken out into the desert never to return, or that my mother and father would be taken to ‘Orchard Park’, a former POW camp.” Rowe's older sister Helen Cahill said her parents told her a similar story.
• Barbara Dugger, granddaughter of Sheriff George Wilcox, said her grandmother, Inez Wilcox, told her the Sheriff had gone to the ranch and seen four alien bodies. "My grandmother said 'Don't tell anybody. When the incident happened, the military police came to the jail house and told George and I that if we ever told anything about the incident, not only would we be killed, but our entire family would be killed.'" Others said that Inez Wilcox told them similar stories.
• The Anaya family told the story of picking up Lt. Governor Joseph Montoya at the base, and a shaken Montoya relating the story of a crashed craft and seeing alien bodies in a hangar.

Montoya then warned them, and in future visits, not to talk about it because somebody in the government might come after them. They said they also received a warning from Sheriff George Wilcox and N.M. Senator Dennis Chavez.
• George "Jud" Roberts was manager of radio station KGFL in Roswell. He signed an affidavit where he claimed to have been threatened if he ran an interview which his station had done with Brazel. "I got a call from someone in Washington, D.C. It may have been someone in the office of [New Mexico Senators] Clinton Anderson or Dennis Chavez.

This person said, 'We understand that you have some information, and we want to assure you that if you release it, it's very possible that your station's license will be in jeopardy, so we suggest that you not to do it.' The person indicated that we might lose our license in as quickly as three days. I made the decision not to release the story."


• Walt Whitmore Jr., son of the KGFL station owner, also recalled how his father had hidden Brazel at their home and done a recorded interview. Whitmore Sr. was unable to get the story through on the Mutual wire and instead began broadcasting a preliminary release locally over KGFL.

At this point, a long distance phone call came to the station from a man named Slowie, saying he was with the FCC in Washington. Slowie informed Whitmore that the story involved national security and that if he valued his station license he should cease transmitting it and forget about it. Immediately afterwards, another call from Washington came from Senator Dennis Chavez, who suggested he had better do what Slowie advised.
• Frank Joyce, news announcer and disc jockey at KGFL, said he spoke to Brazel by telephone when he first came to town and Brazel described finding nonhuman bodies.

Later, Joyce received the base press release announcing the recovery of a “flying disk” and put it on the United

Press teletype. When the first UP bulletins came in on the station teletype, Joyce said the phones went crazy.

He received an irate call from a Colonel Johnson at the Pentagon, demanding to know who had told him to issue the press release. Joyce said he was a civilian and couldn’t be ordered around like that, to which the colonel responded, “I’ll show you what I can do to you.” Joyce said he decided to collect and hide the press release copy and the various teletypes so he could later prove to his boss Whitmore that he hadn’t made anything up.

Later, somebody came through the station, found some of the hidden material, and removed it. However, some of the original teletypes were not found, and Joyce still has them. Jud Dixon, of United Press in Santa Fe, New Mexico, said the same thing happened in his office. However, Karl Pflock said Dixon told him he had no memory at all about the Roswell incident, much less any confiscation.
• Mac Brazel was seen escorted by military personnel and spent some time in military custody, where he said he was intimidated into not talking about what he saw, according to several witnesses. For example, base provost marshal Lt. Col. Edwin Easley admitted to researcher Kevin Randle that they held Brazel at the base for several days.

Frank Joyce said the story Brazel told him after the news conference Brazel appeared at was different than the original story he had told Joyce when Brazel first reported to Sheriff Wilcox. “I remember him changing the story. …I told him, what you’re saying is not what you were saying the other night.

He admitted that he had been told to come in or else. …He told me what they were going to do to us. …He was really scared. …[Brazel said] ‘You’re not going to tell them anything, are you?’” Joyce promised he wouldn’t. Brazel said he had to tell the new story or “it would go hard on him.”


Carried on in the next post...



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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Brazel's son Bill and various neighbors said Brazel also complained bitterly about his treatment by the military afterwards.

On the day that Jesse Marcel was sent to the crash site he later went home and informed his family about the day’s events including his 6 year old son, Jesse Marcel Jr.

Jesse Marcel Jr. also has made a timetable about the events at Roswell


July 2, 1947
A rancher named Mac Brazel and others hear a loud crash during the night near Corona, New Mexico

July 3, 1947
Mac Brazel discovers some strange crash debris on the Foster Ranch.

July 5, 1947
In the town of Corona Mac Brazel hears about a $3000 reward for the debris of a crashed flying saucer.

July 6, 1947
Mac Brazel showed pieces of the wreckage to Chaves County Sheriff George Wilcox. Wilcox called Roswell Army Air Field (AAF) and talked to Major Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer. Marcel drove to the sheriff's office and inspected the wreckage. William Blanchard, Marcel's commanding officer, ordered Marcel to get someone from the Counter Intelligence Corps, and to proceed to the ranch with Brazel to collect as much of the wreckage as they could.

Soon after this, military police arrived at the sheriff's office, collected the wreckage Brazel had left there, and delivered the wreckage to Blanchard's office. The wreckage was then flown to Eighth Air Force headquarters in Fort Worth, and from there to Washington. Marcel and Cavitt accompany Brazel back to his car to go to the debris field.

The two deputies return to Sheriff Wilcox, having found an area of blackened ground. Marcel and Cavitt stay at Brazel's ranch and examine the large piece of debris stored in the shed.

July 7, 1947
Marcel and Cavitt collected wreckage from the crash site. After filling Cavitt's vehicle with wreckage, Marcel told Cavitt to go on ahead and he would collect more wreckage, and they would meet later back at Roswell AAF. Marcel filled his vehicle with wreckage. On the way back to the airfield, Marcel stopped off at home at around 1-2 AM to show his wife and son the strange material he had found. Both his wife Viaud and son Jesse Jr.

examine the debris Jesse Sr. had brought home. Jesse Jr. remembers there were pink/purple/lavender symbols along the centre sections of some of the small metallic "I" beams in amongst the debris.

July 8, 1947
Blanchard dictates a press release on the recovery of a flying disk to PIO Walter Haut. Haut goes into town to deliver his press release to the radio stations and newspapers. His first is at station KGFL, where he gives the release to Frank Joyce.

Noon: The information is put on the AP wire.
The only newspapers that carried the initial flying saucer version of the story were evening papers from the Midwest to the West, including the Chicago Daily News, the Los Angeles Herald Express, the San Francisco Examiner, and the Roswell Daily Record.
The New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Chicago Tribune were morning papers and only carried the cover-up story the next morning.



According to information released by the department, over authority of Maj. J. A. Marcel, intelligence officer, the disk was recovered on a ranch in the Roswell vicinity, after an unidentified rancher had notified Sheriff Geo. Wilcox, here, that he had found the instrument on his premises.
Major Marcel and a detail from his department went to the ranch and recovered the disk, it was stated.
After the intelligence officer here had inspected the instrument it was flown to higher headquarters.
The intelligence office stated that no details of the saucer's construction or its appearance had been revealed.

Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot apparently were the only persons in Roswell who seen what they thought was a flying disk.
They were sitting on their porch at 105 South Penn. last Wednesday night at about ten o'clock when a large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed.

Wilmot called Mrs. Wilmot's attention to it and both ran down into the yard to watch. It was in sight less then a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds, Wilmot estimated.
Wilmot said that it appeared to him to be about 1,500 feet high and going fast. He estimated between 400 and 500 miles per hour.

In appearance it looked oval in shape like two inverted saucers, faced mouth to mouth, or like two old type washbowls placed, together in the same fashion. The entire body glowed as though light were showing through from inside, though not like it would inside, though not like it would be if a light were merely underneath.

From where he stood Wilmot said that the object looked to be about 5 feet in size, and making allowance for the distance it was from town he figured that it must have been 15 to 20 feet in diameter, though this was just a guess.
Wilmot said that he heard no sound but that Mrs. Wilmot said she heard a swishing sound for a very short time.

The object came into view from the southeast and disappeared over the treetops in the general vicinity of six mile hill.
Wilmot, who is one of the most respected and reliable citizens in town, kept the story to himself hoping that someone else would come out and tell about having seen one, but finally today decided that he would go ahead and tell about it. The announcement that the RAAF was in possession of one came only a few minutes after he decided to release the details of what he had seen.


Carried on in the next post...



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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That afternoon Marcel arrives in Fort Worth and confers with Gen Ramey. Remnants of a balloon are substituted for the real debris. A press conference is held in Ramey's office. Photographs are taken of Marcel and Ramey with the balloon remnants. Ramey issues a statement claiming that the Roswell officers were fooled and that the material was from a weather balloon.



Which Both Jesse Marcel SR. & JR. Both claims were not the real debris from the crash

July 9, 1947
Officers from the base locate Brazel and return him to the base for questioning.
Brazel is taken by the military to the office of the Roswell Daily Record, where he gives a revised, sanitized version of the story. Officers from the base visit newspaper and radio offices in town and recover all copies of Haut's original press release. Brazel is also taken to radio station KGFL, where he gives a revised version of his story.

The Roswell Daily Record runs a second story with the new official information.
An examination by the army revealed last night that mysterious objects found on a lonely New Mexico ranch was a harmless high-altitude weather balloon - not a grounded flying disk.Excitement was high until Brig. Gen. Roger M. Ramey, commander of the Eighth air forces with headquarters here cleared up the mystery.

The bundle of tinfoil, broken wood beams and rubber remnants of a balloon were sent here yesterday by army air transport in the wake of reports that it was a flying disk. But the general said the objects were the crushed remains of a ray wind target used to determine the direction and velocity of winds at high altitudes. Warrant Officer Irving Newton, forecaster at the army air forces weather station here said, "we use them because they go much higher than the eye can see."

The weather balloon was found several days ago near the center of New Mexico by Rancher W. W. Brazel. He said he didn't think much about it until he went into Corona, N. M., last Saturday and heard the flying disk reports. He returned to his ranch, 85 miles northwest of Roswell, and recovered the wreckage of the balloon, which he had placed under some brush.

Then Brazel hurried back to Roswell, where he reported his find to the sheriff's office. The sheriff called the Roswell air field and Maj. Jesse A. Marcel, 509th bomb group intelligence officer was assigned to the case.

Col. William H. Blanchard, commanding officer of the bomb group, reported the find to General Ramey and the object was flown immediately to the army air field here. Ramey went on the air here last night to announce the New Mexico discovery was not a flying disk. Newton said that when rigged up, the instrument "looks like a six-pointed star, is sivery in appearance and rises in the air like a kite."

1970
Jesse Marcel came public stating that the weather balloon announcement had been a cover-up.

2007
Jesse Marcel Jr. writes a book detailing the real events around the Roswell incident as told to him by his father.
I couldn’t find the exact documentary but I did find this one which is fairly interesting also.


















This is why I believe that What happened In July 1947 was indeed an extraterrestrial crash and something the government has been trying to hide ever since



EDIT: Thanks you to Moderator ArMap for reminding me to add links as i have alot of information from External sources


www.roswellfiles.com...
www.roswellfiles.com...
www.philipcoppens.com...
www.marceljr.com...
www.marceljr.com...
www.marceljr.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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This is why I believe something happened that day...


This one-page teletype dated July 8, 1947, conveyed information originating from the United States Air Force. The teletype's details purported that an object, possibly a flying disc, was recovered near Roswell, New Mexico.

fbi investigation
foia.fbi.gov...



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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Nice thread, there is a lot of good research on Roswell on ATS as well. Personally I am not sure what happened, although something certainly did. I used to be convinced an alien craft crashed that night, but now I am not so sure. It is a solid case, none-the-less. Thanks for sharing. S/F...



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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Yes i found that looking at past ATS threads is by far alot better than looking for random articles on Roswell.

ATS is such an amazing place for information IMO



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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Still currently going through the information at this point and so far enjoying the read I'm having at the moment, just about to go and grab some tea to continue reading the rest as well as the video. Though just wanted to say star and flag for the information. Seems like I'll have something interesting to read before going back to sleep.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 01:41 PM
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If you want to study Roswell then Nick Redfern's book "Body Snatchers in the Desert" is a must-read.

www.amazon.com...=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?ie=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&coli d=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending



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posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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Star and flag for that very informative post. I didn't know that many people were involved in this particular incident. What gets me, and really convinces me is the fact that if it really was a top secret "balloon" mission, then why would they cover that up with the existance of highly advanced possible deadly extraterrestrial life? It is not a very good cover story.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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What really gets me is how popular this modern fairy tale was in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Oh, that's right, it wasn't. It wasn't popular until folks that were lucky enough to have lived in the area found ways to make themselves popular, guess that had to wait until the 80's and 90's.

Cause I mean, let's face it, if you and I were involved we would forget about this for 30 years too, perfectly normal. Oh yeah, the government threats, lol, forgot about those.

Look guys, if anything did happen at Roswell I bet none of the crap you hear from the publicity seekers and messed up folks involved with the fairy tale know crap about it. They are nothing more than products of human nature.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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The Roswell incident is one of those enigmas wrapped up in a mystery. Frank Warren, Stan Friedman and George Knapp (amongst others) have researched the hell out of it. They've used FOIA to study official documents. They pretty much know all they can know about it. Warren and Knapp have come to the conclusion that it's a poisoned pool. The waters are too muddied to ever know what really occurred...and no reputable researchers invest time on it anymore.

Ignorethefacts is a guy I usually agree with, but is as in the dark as anyone else.

Something crashed there. What it was is the mystery. It's more likely to have been Russian or American than anything else. Cold War obfuscation took over. The conflicting accounts make it all redundant if people want definite conclusions.

I'd be happy to just forget all about it. What's the point of chasing cloud shadows? 60 years of BS and fantasy? Who gives a ufkc? Not me.

The one thing that makes me pause for thought is this interview with Major Jesse Marcell. Skip the BS and go to 2:50ish. The sincerity of the man seems genuine to me. He had an excellent military record and a career that reached to retirement. Maybe it's all crap? Who knows? It's clear that Marcell believes what he says...



EDIT to correct the guy's name. It's Marcell, not Wallace!?



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posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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I had a discussion with a man about saucers one day, i told him that i was near certain that aliens were here and my reasons for believing so.

I was talking about probability of E.T. life given the size of the universe and such and he kept talking about Roswell.

This man was a stranger to me and his girlfriend was silent the whole time. The conversation seemed to make her a bit uncomfortable.

Toward the end of the conversation he asked his girlfriend to head to the car and that he'd meet up with her. She left the building and it was just me and the man.

Apparently he didn't want her knowing what he was about to tell me.

He then told me that his father was a navy man. He said when he was a young boy his father came home from work one day and showed him a peculiar piece of metal. His father placed the metal on that table and it began to float a few centimeters off of it.

He also said that you could squeeze the metal and it would crumple, but if you released it it would retain it's shape.

He said he asked his father "How did we make this?"

and his father responded "What makes you think WE made it?"

The guy was dead serious and had a tremble in his voice as he was recanting the story. It was obvious to me that it was a moment that forever changed his life. He said that his father never spoke about it again.

He later confessed it was not a story he shared with a lot of people and the only reason he shared it with me is because he knew it wouldn't scare/offend me as it would most people.

He never directly said his father or grandfather salvaged the metal from Roswell, but he let me fill in the blanks . . .

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posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Great topic and one that always interests me and basically got me interested from day 1
Cheers and thanks
mrix



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Rising Against

ATS is such an amazing place for information IMO


Thanks for the summary. Just don't believe everything you read here on ATS.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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Ah i definitely agree but you just cant help learning a whole lot when your here on this site.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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This man was a stranger to me and his girlfriend was silent the whole time. The conversation seemed to make her a bit uncomfortable. Toward the end of the conversation he asked his girlfriend to head to the car and that he'd meet up with her. She left the building and it was just me and the man.


The 'girlfriend' was me. Times were hard and I pretended to be 'available' if he agreed to buy me a KFC 3 piece variety meal with a large Pepsi Max and extra fries. You can imagine my disappointment. You're correct in ascertaining my uncomfortableness...the KFC was calling and my boxer shorts had issues with the fishnets. The five-day stubble was itching like hell. Times were real hard...

Thanks to you I lost out on a free KFC. It was the last time I wore a skirt to score KFC.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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If reading Nick Redfern's "Body Snatchers in the Desert" is not possible then you can at least watch this expose on Roswell:

Nazi UFO Conspiracy:

video.google.com...#

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posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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Awesome thread with a lot of good info! S&F


I will post my reasons for why the 1947 Roswell incident was the crash of an alien craft, and not a MOGUL balloon train as the Air Force theorizes after I eat dinner...



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