Originally posted by markymint
... is the state you reach in lucid dreaming connected/related to the plane(s) you can reach in astral projection?
So my question is this really. When you first project, which plane do you go to first? And how do you find a way to go to the other planes? Apparently
it's also impossible to reach the top plane, and extremely hard to reach the one below that or something...why is that? I realise it's probably
unexplainable to a degree but any insight is appreciated!
I assume the dream plane is similar to an astral plane but I'm not sure. I can lie next to my wife and know she's dreaming, sometimes even know WHAT
she's dreaming and/or influence it, but I don't feel dreamland in the same way as astral. I couldn't go find a land of dreams astrally and know
these are all peoples' dreams or something. I think dreams/dreamland is created individually using the same construct though.
I discovered astral travel on my own as a kid so I just sort of named the first two levels blue and grey because of the predominant color of the land
and background. There are a lot of levels and I assume infinite levels could be made within the levels, inadvertantly appearing as new distinct
I once mapped the levels I knew and came up with: (from closest to material to further out):
Blue - what most people consider astral
Grey - similar to Blue but most people are non-active (astral body eyes closed, ears closed, etc.). There are fewer earthlike residual features in
Third - sort of has similar feel as earth atmosphere but with a yellowish hue. Lots of interaction here with aliens. Freeform construction as needed,
eg. no "land" or anything unless it happens to be needed for the interaction. The beings I've encountered on Third recognize physical earth but
react to it as non-physical, for example they might land a craft on a road, then use "will movement" to go through a fence.
Fourth - green and costic like living in a cloud of acid. Spent maybe 2 minutes here total.
5th - VERY interesting level! This level is made of interacting lines that seem to be the base construct for what physical things are. A building
might appear as these bright cyan colored criss-cross lines. Telekinesis can be acheived by merging 5th world and our physical world together in the
mind's eye (not easy!).
With all the levels I described above there seems to still be an innate sense of "self" and connection to your physical body in some way. After this
level is huge black void. It isn't black in a way that you can't see, but like a dark room which you know well and can walk through in the dark.
Beyond the void are vortices that look like a 4-petal chakra. These portals go to other lands such as what I consider Heaven. (Not in a Christian
sense at all, just the place we go after death, and the place we are before we come here).
You go across the void and when crossing the portal into the Heaven realm you are no longer have any recognition of your physical body (without years
There is an open hole in the sky of the Heaven realm that is just pure golden/yellow immense energy. I sort of feel this is what God is and I get the
feel that going in there would dissolve everything into love, into that energy which is in there, and all Karmic purpose would be dissolved. I think
this is the final level in Earth's small pocket of astral worlds.
I get the feel that all Earth's and Heaven's astral/physical realms are in a "sack" of their own. I've only tried to go beyond the edges a few
times and the experience is bizarre! It's as though every particle of your "self" is being blown away at 25,000 miles an hour and you have to keep
using intensely focused will to stay alive and yourself. I sense other worlds beyond that but only at a distance. I haven't spent much time in that
area. I actually sort of enjoy it because it's a challenge and very purifying, as though only the very primal, Karmic aspects of who you are
I may write a book on this stuff someday, but I wanna focus on science-based "provable" experiments rather than personal, Phenomenological
anecdotes. I hope this helps though. Also, keep in mind that people experience astral differently, so don't take anyone's version as right or wrong,
just go with what feels right to you.
[edit on 13-1-2010 by Thermo Klein]