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Originally posted by MattMulder
I don't know why, but it doesn't surpise me. Is is the fact that the US refused for years to sign the Kyoto Protocols, or is it that this country is ruled by industrial cartels?
Originally posted by MattMulder
I don't know why, but it doesn't surpise me. Is is the fact that the US refused for years to sign the Kyoto Protocols, or is it that this country is ruled by industrial cartels?
Originally posted by vermonster
why is this not bumped to the top?
this calls bs on every thread that sources the ap
wtf
Originally posted by Deny Arrogance
I guess this threads popularity isn't being fueled by the usual debate because the warming alarmists are avoiding it like the plague.
Looks like the usual suspects are not even going to attempt to rationalize this one.
Originally posted by FortAnthem
Originally posted by Deny Arrogance
I guess this threads popularity isn't being fueled by the usual debate because the warming alarmists are avoiding it like the plague.
Looks like the usual suspects are not even going to attempt to rationalize this one.
The truth hurts.
They are hoping that if they ignore it, it will just go away.
There's a big difference between saying that there isn't sufficient evidence to determine if falsification of data occurred - and that there should be an investigation - and saying, as AP did: "Science not faked."
Arizona State University professor Dan Sarewitz is quoted by AP as saying, "This is normal science politics, but on the extreme end, though still within bounds." However, Mr. Sarewitz wasn't speaking about the validity of the climate science; he was discussing his belief that politics infects how most scientific research is conducted. While AP used the quote to suggest that there was nothing terribly wrong that had been revealed in Climategate, Mr. Sarewitz was trying to issue a warning that politics infects too much science and that reporters, politicians and the public are naive about that reality.
As he told The Washington Times, "When the human underside (of science) gets revealed, then suddenly people are disillusioned and they say, 'Oh, how shocking!' But it's not particularly shocking."
"This is normal science politics, but on the extreme end, though still within bounds," said Dan Sarewitz, a science policy professor at Arizona State University. "We talk about science as this pure ideal and the scientific method as if it is something out of a cookbook, but research is a social and human activity full of all the failings of society and humans, and this reality gets totally magnified by the high political stakes here."
The third scientist interviewed by AP, professor Gerald North at Texas A&M University, joined Mr. Frankel and Mr. Sarewitz in hoping that climate data would be more readily shared in the future. He told us he also thinks it is important that investigations proceed at the two universities.
Gerald North, a climate scientist at Texas A&M University, headed a National Academy of Sciences study that looked at — and upheld as valid — Mann's earlier studies that found the 1990s were the hottest years in centuries.
"In my opinion the meaning is much more innocent than might be perceived by others taken out of context. Much of this is overblown," North said.
The first scientist quoted in the article, Mark Frankel, is director of scientific freedom, responsibility and law at the American Association for the Advancement of Science. AP quotes him as concluding that there is, "no evidence of falsification or fabrication of data, although concerns could be raised about some instances of very 'generous interpretations.'" While the article mentions that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and some Republican lawmakers are calling for independent investigations, AP doesn't note the views of the scientists they interviewed.
When The Washington Times talked to Mr. Frankel, the scientist gave a quite different impression. The e-mails, he said, are not sufficient to reach any judgment at all on whether the data or science was faked or misleading. "You can't do that on the e-mails alone, you can't do it on the e-mails or the program," he concluded. For that reason, Mr. Frankel supports investigation of East Anglia and related allegations of fraud at Pennsylvania State University.
Edit to add: This is a threat to their religion and must be stopped at all costs.
Originally posted by Deny Arrogance
When was it conclusively determined that it was a hacker as opposed to a whistle blower?
Where is your evidence to support that allegation?
Oh yeah, the fantasy of AGW alarmists.
E-mails alleged to undermine climate change science were held back for weeks after being stolen so that their release would cause maximum damage to the Copenhagen climate conference, according to a source close to the investigation of the theft.
Climate change sceptics obtained the e-mails by hacking into a computer at the University of East Anglia. Professor Phil Jones, director of the university’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU), has agreed to stand down during an independent review of the affair.
The first hack was in October or earlier, the source said. The e-mails were not leaked until mid-November.
I gave up believing anything from the academic community a long time ago.