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I.C.E. - As cold as the name says

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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 06:24 PM
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It seems plausible to say that I.C.E. (immigration & customs enforcement) has the will to make you go away anytime they wish. The quote below from the agency's director is very clear and to the point. This admission that the agency can make someone disappear is not only very scary to the average person but to anyone that has not been proven guilty of any crime its unthinkable. The director's remarks clearly goes well beyond illegal aliens and is obviously geared toward helping regular law enforcement "get rid of"" problematic repeat offenders.

It oversteps not only the boundarys of the legal rights of citizens regardless of the nature of their crimes but provides a glimpse into the attitude, willingness of fed law to use any means required for the mission of NWO to rid society of those not only illegal but suspected of anything that does not fit into the new world order agenda.



"If you don't have enough evidence to charge someone criminally but you think he's illegal, we can make him disappear." Those chilling words were spoken by James Pendergraph, then executive director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Office of State and Local Coordination




ICE agents regularly impersonate civilians--OSHA inspectors, insurance agents, religious workers--in order to arrest longtime US residents who have no criminal history. Jacqueline Stevens has reported a web-exclusive companion piece on ICE agents' ruse operations.


Full article here

[edit on 25-12-2009 by mikelee]




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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That article is really quite tragic. The United States needs to revamp their immigration laws as soon as possible. These people, these "illegal immigrants" as they are known in the US are still human beings. What is being done by ICE is inhumane, and is robbing our fellow persons of their dignity!



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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Anyone who chooses to enter the country illegally and continues to hide in plain site has checked their dignity at the door, as they have likewise done with their conscience and ethics. Dignity and respect come from stepping forward and accepting responsibility for one's actions.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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--in order to arrest longtime US residents who have no criminal history.


Uh. isn't enterering the Us illegally and taking all the benifits of a LEGAL US citizen a crime in your book?

Why is just OK to violate immigration law, live in the US not as a citizen while enjoying everything good about the US? Becuase THEY WANT TO?
And ATS nitwits constantly worry about Obama overthrowing US sovereignty!
All to provide cheap labor to corporations at the expense of the taxpayers.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by mikelee
 


--in order to arrest longtime US residents who have no criminal history.


Uh. isn't enterering the Us illegally and taking all the benifits of a LEGAL US citizen a crime in your book?

Why is just OK to violate immigration law, live in the US not as a citizen while enjoying everything good about the US? Becuase THEY WANT TO?
And ATS nitwits constantly worry about Obama overthrowing US sovereignty!
All to provide cheap labor to corporations at the expense of the taxpayers.


Slow down Cowboy, your missing my point here. Illegal immigrants as far I'm concerned NEED to be arrested. However for an agency head to say in a broad sense that anyone (not just illegals) can be made to disappear well, I got an issue with that.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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I'd respectfully have to disagree with you. The US is by far the easiest on illegals compared to other countries.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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I'm not in favor of holding anyone in deplorable conditions, but the jist of the article seems to be that ICE has some kind of obligation to what, notify family members, the public at large when they hold someone for being here illegally? The police don't do this, why should ICE?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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Alot of agencies can make people disappear if they want to. If this being said stops even 1 person from entering illegally due to thinking about the possible ramifications, then I say good job.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:12 PM
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You're twisting the context to suit your premise.


 
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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by mikelee
 


Alot of agencies can make people disappear if they want to. If this being said stops even 1 person from entering illegally due to thinking about the possible ramifications, then I say good job.


All of you are missing the ponit here...

It isn't about illegal aliens, immigration law etc.

Its about NWO and a police state where even if you (a US citizen) are suspected of any wrong doing, even if your innocent and someone just "thinks you have done something" then they (police) can take you away without cause.

[edit on 25-12-2009 by mikelee]



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
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You're twisting the context to suit your premise.


 
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To suit my premise? Why don't you learn the english language and come back when you can contribute something of relativity to the thread. Have nice day.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by abecedarian
Anyone who chooses to enter the country illegally and continues to hide in plain site has checked their dignity at the door, as they have likewise done with their conscience and ethics. Dignity and respect come from stepping forward and accepting responsibility for one's actions.


One has to put themselves in the shoes of these illegal immigrants. It is something largely done out of desperation. Life in Mexico can be hellish. I've spent some time talking to these people and to residents in Mexico City, and it was heartbreaking.

That said, they are breaking the law. I for one think the law as it is needs to be changed, the sooner the better in fact! However I do understand that laws must be enforced, but we should start with the truly dangerous. There are tons of drug runners, smugglers and gang members that cross the boarder illegally too. They bring crime, they ruin communities and they kill innocent people. These people need to be brought to justice, they have broken the social contract far worse than the families that come here fleeing hardship or because they have nowhere else to go.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by ProjectJimmy

Originally posted by abecedarian
Anyone who chooses to enter the country illegally and continues to hide in plain site has checked their dignity at the door, as they have likewise done with their conscience and ethics. Dignity and respect come from stepping forward and accepting responsibility for one's actions.


One has to put themselves in the shoes of these illegal immigrants. It is something largely done out of desperation. Life in Mexico can be hellish. I've spent some time talking to these people and to residents in Mexico City, and it was heartbreaking.

That said, they are breaking the law. I for one think the law as it is needs to be changed, the sooner the better in fact! However I do understand that laws must be enforced, but we should start with the truly dangerous. There are tons of drug runners, smugglers and gang members that cross the boarder illegally too. They bring crime, they ruin communities and they kill innocent people. These people need to be brought to justice, they have broken the social contract far worse than the families that come here fleeing hardship or because they have nowhere else to go.


The thread isn't about illegal aliens so keep it on the intended topic please.

[edit on 25-12-2009 by mikelee]



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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I get what your saying.

Imagine if the police arrested your relative and sent them to an undisclosed location and had to do your own investigating in hopes of finding them. Imagine if that relative had no right to communicate with anybody.

Imagine if that relative was your child, sister, wife, or husband.

Imagine calling the police and them just laughing saying they can't help you.

Many of you can't imagine it because your too busy seeing illegals.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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You'd be shocked to find out how many agencies can make a person disappear. Greasing a palm here and there, combined with knowing the right (read "the wrong") people, can get those problem people right out of your hair.

I don't particularly like illegal immigrants, but I believe that should at least be afforded a small amount of courtesy.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by tamusan
You'd be shocked to find out how many agencies can make a person disappear. Greasing a palm here and there, combined with knowing the right (read "the wrong") people, can get those problem people right out of your hair.

I don't particularly like illegal immigrants, but I believe that should at least be afforded a small amount of courtesy.


Being a retired gov employee I'm well aware of the ability of any agency to make someone go away. But to have on record an agency head saying they can make it happen is eye opening.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by abecedarian
Anyone who chooses to enter the country illegally and continues to hide in plain site has checked their dignity at the door, as they have likewise done with their conscience and ethics. Dignity and respect come from stepping forward and accepting responsibility for one's actions.


oh pls dont even get me started on "your ancestors and Natives" talk.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by marsvolta

Originally posted by abecedarian
Anyone who chooses to enter the country illegally and continues to hide in plain site has checked their dignity at the door, as they have likewise done with their conscience and ethics. Dignity and respect come from stepping forward and accepting responsibility for one's actions.


oh pls dont even get me started on "your ancestors and Natives" talk.


He wasn't. He was referring to those who are criminals because they entered the United States illegally. Native Americans do not have to worry about such things because they are...NATIVE Americans. Like it or not.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by mikelee

Originally posted by marsvolta

Originally posted by abecedarian
Anyone who chooses to enter the country illegally and continues to hide in plain site has checked their dignity at the door, as they have likewise done with their conscience and ethics. Dignity and respect come from stepping forward and accepting responsibility for one's actions.


oh pls dont even get me started on "your ancestors and Natives" talk.


He wasn't. He was referring to those who are criminals because they entered the United States illegally. Native Americans do not have to worry about such things because they are...NATIVE Americans. Like it or not.


yeah i somehow dont feel like starting on this "red coat guys and dudes from Spain invaded America couple hundred years ago" talk...

also how do you feel about those who enter the USofA legally, overstay their permitted time of stay as indicated on their I-94? there are tons of them from Europe...they are illegal too. but when mentioning illegals it`s always about fence-jumpers.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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also how do you feel about those who enter the USofA legally, overstay their permitted time of stay as indicated on their I-94? there are tons of them from Europe...they are illegal too. but when mentioning illegals it`s always about fence-jumpers.


That covers about 50% of illegals. But you will never here people blame the visa system.

BTW, Isn't that the way 19 hijackers got in the US.



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