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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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all you guys so worryed about big brother better stop using the TER word
you do relize thats a trigger word dont you . if there is programs looking for cirtian words taht is one of them .
as a matter of fact id bet mil word is a trigger word as well.




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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Another yet so scared to speak anything and use his rights to speak.





The term militia is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[1] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. It is a polyseme with multiple distinct but related meanings. Legal and historical meanings of militia include:


Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787-1789)

The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia," as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling for of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[19] clarified whom the militia consists of; " Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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This topic is full of "funnies" and "lulz". The sheer lack of faith by some people by saying that militias or a "revolution" would not stand a chance just goes to show their ignorance. Using the fact that we don't have as much firepower as the government is just sad.

Let me paint this picture for you. If fighting broke out onto the streets of America, be it a rural village or as crowded city - do you really think tanks, battleships, or jet fighters are going to play any role whatsoever? How would these be possible?

In such a situation, sure, the government could use digression and maybe one time they will launch a couple of hellfires into a "somewhat" unpopulated village. They will hit their mark of a few revolutionaries but then, innocents die. Those who had nothing to do with the conflict will be killed. Word will spread about the care that government has for its people, ranks in the revolution will spread - game over.

The only thing they have on the common man is locating techniques, access to satellite surveillance and high end visual techs. As far as hand held weaponry and technology, there isn't much the military has that normal men can't get a hold of for the right price and with the right contacts. Not to mention the fact that all it would take is the storming of one armory to outfit an entire militia regiment with high grade gear. Once that is taken care of, you take a base, you gain vehicles, you gain even more weaponry, ect ect ect.

You see, the only thing that could and would prevent such a scenario from happening is people like some in this topic. The type of people who have literally no hope of anything ever changing. The type of people that refuse to acknowledge when someone will be fighting for their greater good. The type of people that fail to acknowledge the annuls of history.

Look to the past and you will found the countless revolutions that have been out manned, out classed, out fought, but in the end of the day they were never lost their heart, their will, and their spirit to succeed.



Don't spread your falsifications about freedom fighters because anyone who has common sense will realize the lies withing the OP. I have said it before and I will say it again - it isn't a matter of when and if the Revolution is coming. The Revolution, my friends, has already begun. Just because you don't see explosions and hear gunshots down the street does not point otherwise.

Quiet before the storm.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:51 PM
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The fundamental church, I am a member of,nearly all of the men are
hunters,including the pastor and associate pastor.My pastor had a C.C.W.
course taught at our church this past october.There were about twenty
members of our church who took this class,including me,we all passed!



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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What most citizens fail to realize is that the US and the Constitution have already been overthrown. They did it while most of us were asleep.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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I feel the same way,I think all heck is going to break loose anytime.
Right now, everyone is all warm and fuzzy over christmas and the new
year.I wonder what kind of new year we will have?I think we'll have a
revolution!



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 09:57 AM
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If this government calls our founding fathers Terroist... well so be it... where do I contribute to the cause.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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A lot of things I read on here remind me of someone else, Allow me to post some quotes from this other person. See if you agree with what this person said.


Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate "promises," they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight... Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might.



It is a lie if we tell ourselves that the police can protect us everywhere at all times. Firearms restrictions are bad enough, but now a woman can't even carry Mace in her purse?



Go ahead, take everything I own; take my dignity. Feel good as you grow fat and rich at my expense; sucking my tax dollars and property.



The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.



Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.
It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being.
I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend.



ATF, all you tyrannical mother #ers will swing in the wind one day for your treasonous actions against the Constitution of the United States. Remember the Nuremberg War Trials. But...but...but...I only followed orders...Die, you spineless cowardice bastards.



A man with nothing left to lose is a very dangerous man and his energy/anger can be focused toward a common/righteous goal. What I'm asking you to do, then, is sit back and be honest with yourself. Do you have kids/wife? Would you back out at the last minute to care for the family? Are you interested in keeping your firearms for their current/future monetary value, or would you drag that '06 through rock, swamp and cactus...to get off the needed shot? In short, I'm not looking for talkers, I'm looking for fighters...And if you are a fed, think twice. Think twice about the Constitution you are supposedly enforcing (isn't "enforcing freedom" an oxymoron?) and think twice about catching us with our guard down – you will lose just like Degan did – and your family will lose.


Post-military activities and lifestyle

I wonder, do people that advocate revolution in this country want freedom? Or, do they just want to see their fellow countrymen die? If a civil war breaks out in this country, Who exactly are you fighting against? "the government" is just an idea, there are human people that work for the government, they for the most part are just doing a job. But it's these people that some of you are advocating taking up arms against, these fellow Americans who just like you are trying to live their lives.

[edit on 12/26/2009 by whatukno]



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by gwydionblack
This topic is full of "funnies" and "lulz". The sheer lack of faith by some people by saying that militias or a "revolution" would not stand a chance just goes to show their ignorance. Using the fact that we don't have as much firepower as the government is just sad.

Let me paint this picture for you. If fighting broke out onto the streets of America, be it a rural village or as crowded city - do you really think tanks, battleships, or jet fighters are going to play any role whatsoever? How would these be possible?

In such a situation, sure, the government could use digression and maybe one time they will launch a couple of hellfires into a "somewhat" unpopulated village. They will hit their mark of a few revolutionaries but then, innocents die. Those who had nothing to do with the conflict will be killed. Word will spread about the care that government has for its people, ranks in the revolution will spread - game over.

The only thing they have on the common man is locating techniques, access to satellite surveillance and high end visual techs. As far as hand held weaponry and technology, there isn't much the military has that normal men can't get a hold of for the right price and with the right contacts. Not to mention the fact that all it would take is the storming of one armory to outfit an entire militia regiment with high grade gear. Once that is taken care of, you take a base, you gain vehicles, you gain even more weaponry, ect ect ect.

You see, the only thing that could and would prevent such a scenario from happening is people like some in this topic. The type of people who have literally no hope of anything ever changing. The type of people that refuse to acknowledge when someone will be fighting for their greater good. The type of people that fail to acknowledge the annuls of history.

Look to the past and you will found the countless revolutions that have been out manned, out classed, out fought, but in the end of the day they were never lost their heart, their will, and their spirit to succeed.



Don't spread your falsifications about freedom fighters because anyone who has common sense will realize the lies withing the OP. I have said it before and I will say it again - it isn't a matter of when and if the Revolution is coming. The Revolution, my friends, has already begun. Just because you don't see explosions and hear gunshots down the street does not point otherwise.

Quiet before the storm.




got to agree with you.... I know of 5 major weak spots on the avrams...now add that along with since the mnilitary needs fuel and infastructure.... all it would take is a concerted effort nation wide daily to take care of the issues at hande....

also the fact that the miltiary for the most part is not going to fight americans... it might get interesting...


considering that there are literally millions of known guns in the states ....I wonder what makes people think that all we have is bolt action weapons and handguns???



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno

I wonder, do people that advocate revolution in this country want freedom? Or, do they just want to see their fellow countrymen die? If a civil war breaks out in this country, Who exactly are you fighting against? "the government" is just an idea, there are human people that work for the government, they for the most part are just doing a job. But it's these people that some of you are advocating taking up arms against, these fellow Americans who just like you are trying to live their lives.


I don't disagree with you. I am sure there are plenty of gung-ho weapons handlers who are just dying for an excuse to use them on another human being. However, I believe for every one of those there are three people who are legitimately concerned about freedom and the greater good. For people who are serious about such ideals, they would no better then to attack and target just a few mom and pops who happen to work within the government body.

No. There are those within government who do a very bad job of hiding their greed and corruption, some who do a very bad job of showing their blatant disregard for the well beings of others. These are the people that are the target of liberators. With that idealism, those who remain on board with the government would be made notice as to WHY these people were targets, what they had done to deserve as much. Should they wish not to become targets themselves, then they need only to veer away from corruption, greed, and the lust for power that set the others in such positions.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 11:51 PM
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The majority of the people I know are ready and willing, we are just waiting for a leader. It should have happened years ago. Yes people are going to die, and that sucks, but I'll gladly give my life for my children and their children's children freedom. Its the american way.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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I don't disagree with you. I am sure there are plenty of gung-ho weapons handlers who are just dying for an excuse to use them on another human being. However, I believe for every one of those there are three people who are legitimately concerned about freedom and the greater good. For people who are serious about such ideals, they would no better then to attack and target just a few mom and pops who happen to work within the government body.


I think I now see how radical Islam was born.

How would you differentiate between a "gung-ho weapon handler" and someone who insists they are fighting for freedom? Would these "gung-ho weapon handlers" be a part of the "freedom militias" or would they be shunned by this group as well?

And as far as going after the corrupt and tyrannical elements of our government, wouldn't you be disrespecting the republic by ousting members that you saw as unfit for office? After all, they are elected officials who were put into power by the people and for the people.

Course what worries me the most about these REVOLUTION threads is that eventually after this grand army of freedom gets done with those they see as greedy and corrupt is that they will start going down the road to ethnic cleansing. Which will come about because at first it will be "all the Illegals are stealing our jobs" I think it will go downhill from there.

[edit on 12/27/2009 by whatukno]



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 02:28 AM
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Radical Islam? Freedom fighters in my eyes won't be going around with explosive vests to kill random groups of people to prove a point. WE ARE THE PEOPLE. WE ARE THE POINT.

If you would read my post instead of quoting just one section, you would see that I detailed the difference between somebody who is simply using a gun on people for fun, and somebody who is doing it for a reason. Obviously there are those in power who would be obvious target, but I'm not stupid enough to give example, nor am I placing any threats.

As far as "disrespecting the republic" you can't respect something that doesn't exist. Refresh your memory between the difference of Constitutional Republic and a Fascist Democracy. Yes, we would gladly be spitting in the face of the latter, simply because a republic no longer exists in this country. If you believe it does, then I'm not sure what to say to you.

And you speak of democratically elected officials? I'm sure everybody in America wished to choose between McCain and Obama in this last election. I'm sure that we were all given an equal choice in the matter when every other candidate isn't given ballot access. When only two parties in America are shoved down our throats to give us an illusion of choice while any other party is shunned and demoralized.

Let's face it, if this is your idea of an official elected by the people, then you don't have high aspirations in making choices for yourself. You would much rather be happy that they limit the options to make it easier for you, no?

Lastly, I do not condone racism whatsoever and I tell everyone who wants to represent as I do that I don't want any part of it. I don't care what religion, race, or nationality you are, if you come to our country through the proper channels, anyone should be allowed to do so. However, when it comes to terms with illegals, though I am against illegal immigration, that would never warrant anything in the form of racial cleansing. You create a stereotype that anyone who could possible love defending freedom would also be a member of the KKK. I'm sorry you think that and I hope that the future will change your opinion.

I'm not sure, but you seem to target threads where there is talk of anything remotely close to revolution. Do you honestly believe in the form of government we have today, or are you just that succumbed to it that you feel that there is literally no hope to change?

Are you truly happy with this? Do you feel we are working at our maximum potential?

Please, be honest now.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 03:19 AM
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Radical Islam? Freedom fighters in my eyes won't be going around with explosive vests to kill random groups of people to prove a point. WE ARE THE PEOPLE. WE ARE THE POINT.


Are you sure? Because someone that talked a lot like you did that exact thing. Well, it was a truck of explosives and the target was the Alfred P. Murrah Building. 168 Americans (including children) lost their lives to this "freedom fighter".


If you would read my post instead of quoting just one section, you would see that I detailed the difference between somebody who is simply using a gun on people for fun, and somebody who is doing it for a reason. Obviously there are those in power who would be obvious target, but I'm not stupid enough to give example, nor am I placing any threats.


I certainly wouldn't ask you to give up your 5th Amendment right.


As far as "disrespecting the republic" you can't respect something that doesn't exist. Refresh your memory between the difference of Constitutional Republic and a Fascist Democracy. Yes, we would gladly be spitting in the face of the latter, simply because a republic no longer exists in this country. If you believe it does, then I'm not sure what to say to you.


Well, instead of political change, you're advocating a civil war. Instead of fixing what you see that is wrong in America, and working nonviolently towards that goal, instead you seem to be advocating the destruction of our government, and to force upon the people your idea of what freedom is.


And you speak of democratically elected officials? I'm sure everybody in America wished to choose between McCain and Obama in this last election. I'm sure that we were all given an equal choice in the matter when every other candidate isn't given ballot access. When only two parties in America are shoved down our throats to give us an illusion of choice while any other party is shunned and demoralized.


I see, tell me, did you vote in this last election? I did, fact of the matter, there were more people on the ballot than just John McCain and Barack Obama.

Alan Keyes/Brian Rohrbough

Barack Obama/Joe Biden

Bob Barr/Wayne Allyn Root

Brian Moore/Stewart Alexander

Charles Jay/Thomas L. Knapp

Chuck Baldwin/Darrell Castle

Cynthia McKinney/Rosa Clemente

Gene Amondson/Leroy Pletten

Gloria La Riva/Eugene Puryear

John McCain/Sarah Palin

Ralph Nader/Matt Gonzalez

Róger Calero/Alyson Kennedy

Thomas Stevens/Alden Link

www.politics1.com...


Let's face it, if this is your idea of an official elected by the people, then you don't have high aspirations in making choices for yourself. You would much rather be happy that they limit the options to make it easier for you, no?


As you can see, there were more choices than the two major candidates. However many people are of the assumption that they have to vote either democrat or republican for their vote to count.


Lastly, I do not condone racism whatsoever and I tell everyone who wants to represent as I do that I don't want any part of it. I don't care what religion, race, or nationality you are, if you come to our country through the proper channels, anyone should be allowed to do so. However, when it comes to terms with illegals, though I am against illegal immigration, that would never warrant anything in the form of racial cleansing. You create a stereotype that anyone who could possible love defending freedom would also be a member of the KKK. I'm sorry you think that and I hope that the future will change your opinion.


I did not say that, I mentioned that I was afraid that it would come to that. After all, once you got rid of the rich and greedy, what's next? Certainly once that your group got to power they wouldn't stop at just forcing their idea of freedom down everyones throats. Your ideology would naturally grow thanks to your new found power. Obviously your group would want a free America, for Americans, and so the roundups and executions would soon come after. Kinda reminds me of what Hitler did in a way.


I'm not sure, but you seem to target threads where there is talk of anything remotely close to revolution. Do you honestly believe in the form of government we have today, or are you just that succumbed to it that you feel that there is literally no hope to change?


I believe that there is no need for a violent civil war to change this government. Yes there are problems, and those problems can be fixed. It doesn't take a bloodbath to fix the problems with our government. Yes in fact I do target these threads, it's the idea of a new civil war in America that first brought me to ATS.


Are you truly happy with this? Do you feel we are working at our maximum potential?

Please, be honest now.


As a nation, and as an ideal, we can never achieve our maximum potential. It's because we as a society aren't stagnant, we grow and change.



[edit on 12/27/2009 by whatukno]



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