Ride the San Diego Chem Trail...Weather Moding in Action.

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The weather soundings for San Diego on Nov. 23rd:

273.5 10058 -47.8 -57.2 33 0.06 320 33 326.4 326.7 326.4
250.0 10650 -52.1 -61.1 33 0.04 305 35 328.5 328.7 328.5
249.3 10668 -52.2 -61.2 33 0.04 305 35 328.5 328.7 328.6
237.5 10973 -54.6 -63.3 33 0.03 300 38 329.6 329.7 329.6
200.0 12060 -62.9 -70.9 33 0.01 310 55 333.0 333.1 333.0
186.2 12497 -64.0 -71.2 37 0.01 320 57 338.0 338.1 338.1
183.0 12603 -64.3 -71.3 38 0.01 315 49 339.3 339.4 339.3
172.0 12984 -61.3 -69.3 34 0.02 288 45 350.3 350.4 350.3
168.6 13106 -61.3 -69.3 34 0.02 280 44 352.2 352.3 352.2
152.8 13716 -61.5 -69.5 34 0.02 285 55 362.1 362.2 362.1
150.0 13830 -61.5 -69.5 34 0.02 285 55 363.9 364.0 363.9
145.0 14041 -60.3 -68.3 34 0.03 286 54 369.6 369.7 369.6
119.3 15240 -64.3 -71.5 37 0.02 290 50 383.3 383.4 383.3


The weather soundings for San Diego on Dec. 18th:

250.1 10668 -52.5 -57.5 55 0.06 330 30 327.9 328.2 327.9
250.0 10670 -52.5 -57.5 55 0.06 330 30 327.9 328.2 327.9
238.2 10973 -55.0 -60.0 54 0.05 325 30 328.6 328.8 328.6
200.0 12070 -64.3 -69.3 50 0.02 320 39 330.8 330.9 330.8
186.4 12497 -67.7 -72.7 49 0.01 315 43 332.0 332.1 332.0
178.0 12775 -69.9 -74.9 48 0.01 320 46 332.8 332.9 332.8
168.6 13106 -65.5 -70.5 50 0.02 325 53 345.3 345.4 345.4
164.0 13272 -63.3 -68.3 51 0.02 327 50 351.8 351.9 351.8
150.0 13820 -64.9 -69.9 50 0.02 335 40 358.1 358.2 358.1
145.1 14021 -65.8 -71.2 47 0.02 325 39 360.0 360.1 360.0
139.0 14280 -66.9 -72.9 42 0.01 323 42 362.4 362.5 362.4
119.0 15225 -62.1 -68.1 44 0.03 315 51 387.7 387.9 387.7


The soundings for both dates look to be conducive to contrail formation in your area

Originally posted by apacheman
Dude, get a grip.

You might want to try taking a class in aeronautics or atmosphere science. There are several good community colleges offering courses in such near you. Or join Civil Air Patrol and you'll learn the facts.

Those are very common contrails, i.e., condensation trails. We get them frequently over coastal areas because of the high water vapor content. Prop jobs will do it, too: ever watch the Military Channel's old WWII aerial bombardment episodes? You'll see massive contrails behind the bomber formations.

While they probably have unburnt fuel in them, there's nothing else. Think about it for minute. Every jetliner is refueled in plain sight right there at the gate in front of hundreds of witnesses. The fuel trucks are coming from the same depot, using the same fuel as private jets. So when and where are the chemicals being added? Where are they stored? The whole thing makes zero sense and falls entirely apart under the slightest intellectual scrutiny...ever think of what effect it would have on the engines? If it's not added to the fuel, then there MUST be storage tanks in the wings, with associated spray equipment, and those tanks must be refilled every flight, so where are they, and where are the trucks that fill them?

Anyway, there's lots better things to do here in San Diego to occupy your thoughts than this drivel.

You know the answers to all of your questions.

Every Jetliner is witnessed by more then 200 people getting filled up?

Everything else...
Illogical fallacies intended to draw recipient into cyclical argument.

Thanks for your post

Originally posted by ZombieJesus
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

The weather soundings for San Diego on Nov. 23rd:

273.5 10058 -47.8 -57.2 33 0.06 320 33 326.4 326.7 326.4
250.0 10650 -52.1 -61.1 33 0.04 305 35 328.5 328.7 328.5
249.3 10668 -52.2 -61.2 33 0.04 305 35 328.5 328.7 328.6
237.5 10973 -54.6 -63.3 33 0.03 300 38 329.6 329.7 329.6
200.0 12060 -62.9 -70.9 33 0.01 310 55 333.0 333.1 333.0
186.2 12497 -64.0 -71.2 37 0.01 320 57 338.0 338.1 338.1
183.0 12603 -64.3 -71.3 38 0.01 315 49 339.3 339.4 339.3
172.0 12984 -61.3 -69.3 34 0.02 288 45 350.3 350.4 350.3
168.6 13106 -61.3 -69.3 34 0.02 280 44 352.2 352.3 352.2
152.8 13716 -61.5 -69.5 34 0.02 285 55 362.1 362.2 362.1
150.0 13830 -61.5 -69.5 34 0.02 285 55 363.9 364.0 363.9
145.0 14041 -60.3 -68.3 34 0.03 286 54 369.6 369.7 369.6
119.3 15240 -64.3 -71.5 37 0.02 290 50 383.3 383.4 383.3


The weather soundings for San Diego on Dec. 18th:

250.1 10668 -52.5 -57.5 55 0.06 330 30 327.9 328.2 327.9
250.0 10670 -52.5 -57.5 55 0.06 330 30 327.9 328.2 327.9
238.2 10973 -55.0 -60.0 54 0.05 325 30 328.6 328.8 328.6
200.0 12070 -64.3 -69.3 50 0.02 320 39 330.8 330.9 330.8
186.4 12497 -67.7 -72.7 49 0.01 315 43 332.0 332.1 332.0
178.0 12775 -69.9 -74.9 48 0.01 320 46 332.8 332.9 332.8
168.6 13106 -65.5 -70.5 50 0.02 325 53 345.3 345.4 345.4
164.0 13272 -63.3 -68.3 51 0.02 327 50 351.8 351.9 351.8
150.0 13820 -64.9 -69.9 50 0.02 335 40 358.1 358.2 358.1
145.1 14021 -65.8 -71.2 47 0.02 325 39 360.0 360.1 360.0
139.0 14280 -66.9 -72.9 42 0.01 323 42 362.4 362.5 362.4
119.0 15225 -62.1 -68.1 44 0.03 315 51 387.7 387.9 387.7


The soundings for both dates look to be conducive to contrail formation in your area

Neat...thanks

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Somebody is using my links eh

As well as contrail formation, both of those weather balloon soundings indicate that contrail persistence is very likely. Its not unusual for winter in North America, despite what surface temperatures may indicate.

Originally posted by ZombieJesus
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

The weather soundings for San Diego on Nov. 23rd:

273.5 10058 -47.8 -57.2 33 0.06 320 33 326.4 326.7 326.4
250.0 10650 -52.1 -61.1 33 0.04 305 35 328.5 328.7 328.5
249.3 10668 -52.2 -61.2 33 0.04 305 35 328.5 328.7 328.6
237.5 10973 -54.6 -63.3 33 0.03 300 38 329.6 329.7 329.6
200.0 12060 -62.9 -70.9 33 0.01 310 55 333.0 333.1 333.0
186.2 12497 -64.0 -71.2 37 0.01 320 57 338.0 338.1 338.1
183.0 12603 -64.3 -71.3 38 0.01 315 49 339.3 339.4 339.3
172.0 12984 -61.3 -69.3 34 0.02 288 45 350.3 350.4 350.3
168.6 13106 -61.3 -69.3 34 0.02 280 44 352.2 352.3 352.2
152.8 13716 -61.5 -69.5 34 0.02 285 55 362.1 362.2 362.1
150.0 13830 -61.5 -69.5 34 0.02 285 55 363.9 364.0 363.9
145.0 14041 -60.3 -68.3 34 0.03 286 54 369.6 369.7 369.6
119.3 15240 -64.3 -71.5 37 0.02 290 50 383.3 383.4 383.3


The weather soundings for San Diego on Dec. 18th:

250.1 10668 -52.5 -57.5 55 0.06 330 30 327.9 328.2 327.9
250.0 10670 -52.5 -57.5 55 0.06 330 30 327.9 328.2 327.9
238.2 10973 -55.0 -60.0 54 0.05 325 30 328.6 328.8 328.6
200.0 12070 -64.3 -69.3 50 0.02 320 39 330.8 330.9 330.8
186.4 12497 -67.7 -72.7 49 0.01 315 43 332.0 332.1 332.0
178.0 12775 -69.9 -74.9 48 0.01 320 46 332.8 332.9 332.8
168.6 13106 -65.5 -70.5 50 0.02 325 53 345.3 345.4 345.4
164.0 13272 -63.3 -68.3 51 0.02 327 50 351.8 351.9 351.8
150.0 13820 -64.9 -69.9 50 0.02 335 40 358.1 358.2 358.1
145.1 14021 -65.8 -71.2 47 0.02 325 39 360.0 360.1 360.0
139.0 14280 -66.9 -72.9 42 0.01 323 42 362.4 362.5 362.4
119.0 15225 -62.1 -68.1 44 0.03 315 51 387.7 387.9 387.7


The soundings for both dates look to be conducive to contrail formation in your area

You'd be a perfect gentleman to explain these numbers for us and how they tie in to what we are seeing in these videos which I have to disagree with you on as to their title and purpose. I suggest a science experiment for you.

Do this...step into/or just put your head into your freezer, exhale and watch how long your breath hangs around for...it's a contrail, but it won't stay but maybe a second.....hard science wins every time because it is based on findings not conjecture. Till I know for sure, I'm checking off the list...one by one.

I don't know what it is they are spraying, but I know this that it is not water vapor, because water vapor that freezes is called Hale, Slush or Snow and it falls from the sky being too heavy to stay in the air.

If it is Barium Oxide or Alum as the govt. has already admitted to spraying, then I believe them, as it becomes public common knowledge....

Argue with them...

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

Not that you care but;
The first column is atmospheric pressure.
The second column is alitude in meters.
The third column is temperature in celcius.
The fourth column is dew point in celcius.
The fifth column is relative humidity.
The rest don't really matter to anyone but a meteorologist.


My breath is not as hot as jet engine exhaust.
My breath does not contain as much water vapor as jet engine exhaust.
My freezer is set at about 0º, not -50º.
The humidity in my freezer is not 55%.

Water vapor that freezes at high altitudes forms very tiny crystals which can remain suspended the same way the condensed water which forms cumulus clouds remains suspended. Cirrus clouds are composed of these crystals and so are contrails.

Please provide a governmental source "admitting" the spraying of barium oxide or aluminum.



[edit on 12/24/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by ZombieJesus

 

Somebody is using my links eh

As well as contrail formation, both of those weather balloon soundings indicate that contrail persistence is very likely. Its not unusual for winter in North America, despite what surface temperatures may indicate.

Hey Oz. Do you have a repository for footage from your resource thread? If you do, you may add this if you like, even edit it to just the footage with no comments, or if you have a spot where I can add it (besides media port) let me know.

Thanks

Peace

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
Hey Oz. Do you have a repository for footage from your resource thread? If you do, you may add this if you like, even edit it to just the footage with no comments, or if you have a spot where I can add it (besides media port) let me know.

Thanks

Peace

Nah, you can just add your footage from youtube into the thread. I will add the weather details from the weather balloon once you have done that. Its a sticky thread so its completely ongoing.

Also, you remarked earlie that water will fall from the sky. That is untrue, cirrus clouds, cirrocumulus clouds and cirrostratus clouds are all high cloud types, meaning they are composed of ice crystals. None of those are rain bearing clouds, and the only precipitation that falls from them is virga, or precipitation not reaching the ground. As a general rules, us in the weather proffesion report contrails as cirrus cloud when they persist for longer than half an hour.

In fact alll rain bearing clouds only occur at 20,000ft or below, they include cumulonimbus, cumulus, altostratus, altocumulus, nimbostratus, and occasionally stratocumulus and stratus. All these clouds consist of water droplets or supe cooled water droplets. That is why cloud seeding occurs at such low levels, and not at high altitude.

Just because there is moisture in the upper levels of the troposphere, does not mean it will rain. Its a good indicator in terms of predicting frontal activity but not always accurate.

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Phage...Thanks for answering. You'll never know if I care or not, so don't worry about it...You do your job well, and you are the only one you need to worry about anyway.

Bill





Peace

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Thank you sir. I'll add that in. Also I appreciate you explaining these processes.

Peace

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

Well that bill got nowhere.

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

Here's the full text of the bill.
517

The bill has been revived in the 111th congress (as 601) in essentially the same form. It's highly unlikely it will go anywhere this time around but I don't see barium oxide or aluminum mentioned in it. The purpose of the bill is to create a board to study cloud seeding as a means of mitigating damage from drought and hail. Cloud seeding has nothing to do with "chemtrails".


This isn't my job. I have a real one and I resent your implication.

[edit on 12/24/2009 by Phage]

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Well if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right eh?

Thanks Oz

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

You'd be a perfect gentleman to explain these numbers for us and how they tie in to what we are seeing in these videos which I have to disagree with you on as to their title and purpose. I suggest a science experiment for you.

I like to think of myself as a gentleman, thank you very much, but as Phage has already posted an explanation above, I do not find it necessary to make a redundant post.

Peace

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In what way are they illogical?

Pray, do tell.

Refute each of my points with a valid conterargument rather than dismissing them out of hand, and I might entertain your point.

I've been to the airport frequently and watched lots of aircraft refueled. I've also watched a lot aircraft built, and don't recall seeing any extra tanks installed in the wings or fuselage. It's not hard to find pics of unskinned aircraft: show me the chemical tanks. High performance jet engines are pretty sensitive to what you burn in them: highly reactive chemicals would degrade performance and asbolutely kill engine life; great care is taken not to contaminate fuels. Not to mention the chance of catastrophic engine failure you'd court by burning contaminated fuel.

Those are contrails, pure and simple, with known, well-defined conditions for their propagation, entirely predictable. The entire chemtrail concept is ridiculous; given winds aloft, anything in a contrail would reach the ground, if it ever did, hundreds or thousands of miles from were they formed.

I repeat: try taking a class and educating yourself.

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Thanks Phage

Could you answer me why it is that the planes have the ability to shut off their "contrails" as soon as they hit the U.S. Mexico Border as I and others who have posted here have witnessed? I'll have more video soon here of them stopping their contrails as soon as they hit the border, then perhaps you could explain it.

Now really just as I said in the video, I don't know what it is that they are spraying, so I've implied nothing other then that they are spraying something.

I've heard it hinted that it is Barium Oxide and Aluminum, but again, I don't know what it is, only that it isn't water vapor. I've seen contrails from jets. They fade rapidly as the plane proceeds forward and while they do look similar upon immediate inspection, contrails simply don't "hang out" like these do.

May you suggest what these planes are and why they follow the same path always which is Northwest to Southeast along the western seaboard and always and I mean always cut off there trails as soon as they hit the boarder of Mexico? In a likewise manner I will see them also come from the southeast and fly to the northwest again, having no visible trail UNTIL they cross the boarder. Is water vapor biased or do they dive 10000 ft as soon as they hit the boarder? Both seem ridiculous.

See it makes no sense to me, that they would be spraying poisons into the air that they also breath, so I really don't think poisoning people has anything to do with it, but I do see how weather modification, communications, and other such systems could conceivably benefit from the "blanketing" of the earth in such fashion. I believe doing such things would heat the surface up, not cool it as the heat that makes it to the ground would be trapped in under "the blanket".

I believe the term is called "Terra Forming". This seams also like it would work hand in hand with High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.

Here are some of the programs patents showing that particles would be induced into the air to achieve the desired outcome wither it be biomedical delivery systems, communications, Weather Modification...etc.

Pat#4999637Creation of artificial ionization clouds about the earth

The next patent relay's with perfect detail what happened over Norway actually explaining not only what it was but why it was. Now lets tune into Paul Harvey..."Here's the rest of the story...."
Pat#4712155Method and apparatus for creating an artificial electron cyclotron heating region of plasma

This next one I can check against the numbers you guys put up as it tells what temperatures are needed in order for the microspheres of Lithium Hydride, sodium hydride, butyl lithium or ethyl cesium which photo-ionize when the ambient temperature in the stratosphere is in the range of 220 deg K to 270 deg K, which if I'm not mistaken is right around the temperatures which phage gave refuting my freezer comparison as a contrails behavior likened behavior.
Pat#3518670Miller Artificial ION Cloud

These are a few of the patents for HAARP endeavors, with one even giving away the mystery of Norway....pretty cool....specially in Norway....buda ba bump....crash....thank you I'll be here all night.

So on altitude of these planes....give me some height idea here....what do you say?....I was thinking 50 to 60 thousand feet, but I'm open to your educated guesses.

I found this in a quick search on heights attained by commercial and military aircraft...

The World record for both speed and height by an air-breathing aircraft (not a rocket) was 85,135 feet. It was set in an SR-71 Blackbird in 1976. The speed record is also held by an SR-71, at 2,193 mph. This is not as high or as fast as the airplane can fly, however, it's absolute speed and altitude limits are classified. Most US military aircraft can exceed 50,000 feet, if they really really try. Again, the limits are classified. Most commercial jetliners cruise somewhere between 30,000 and 45,000 feet above mean sea level. At higher speeds and altitudes, there isn't enough oxygen in the air to continuously burn the jet fuel required to stay up there. Engines designed to work very well that high, have serious limitations when they are operated closer to the surface. There are aircraft that have flown higher and faster (the X-15) but they really aren't aircraft, they are rockets, because they carry their own source of oxygen, instead of using the air. However, the fastest and highest airplanes are the American SR-71 Blackbirds.

Answered by: Frank DiBonaventuro, B.S., Physics, The Citadel, Air Force officer

www.physlink.com...

Phage is it cold enough during the last flight out of Antarctica on a c-141 to make a contrail, because it doesn't look like it in this picture and I'd have to assume that the engines are at take off levels pushing through all that abundant air...what's your expert opinion?
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Peace

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand


Phage is it cold enough during the last flight out of Antarctica on a c-141 to make a contrail, because it doesn't look like it in this picture and I'd have to assume that the engines are at take off levels pushing through all that abundant air...what's your expert opinion?
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Peace

I know you're addressing this post to Phage but the answer is obvious to any who have done any kind of research on the subject.

The air may be cold but you are forgetting two things.

The first is despite the fact that it is Antarctica and is cold, the air temp at ground level is still quite warm compared to that at 30,000 feet.

The second is the dryness of the antarctic air, as odd as it sounds Antarctica is the driest continent on the planet.

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


The air is not an entire equal medium.

Where a contrails stops, the aircraft has usually hit a dry pocket of air, or changed altitude.

As for the picture in Antartica, the air pressure and vapour pressure are other factors which come into play with regards to contrail development. In the picture the plane is at low altitude which mean the air pressure is some 600hPa higher than at normal crusing altitude. Also, Antarctica is a cold place, but the coastal areas (there's a ship so it must be coastal) still arent cold enough for contrails to persist with low or no humidity. You need a temperature of roughly -45 degrees to get contrail formation with no humidity, and its seldom that cold on the coastal regions of the ice. (Although it does inland)

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how can you guys be so sure about what you believe is a very mysterious phenomenon for me:

the way i read you is: because contrails are a natural phenomenon, then it means the army/government/federal/corps/whateverPTB are not messing up with our skies.

this is defying all sorts of logic.

get a grip, learn to doubt.


[edit on 27-12-2009 by ::.mika.::]

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


There is no denying that contrails exist and that maybe, some of the trails we see up there are in fact contrails. But why are they so persistent? Why is it that they stay up there the whole day?

I myself have witnessed this stop to the trails when near the border. One other thing I have definitely seen that tells me these are not normal contrails, is the fact that sometimes, the trail will be consistent, and then there is an abrupt stop, leaving gaps in the trails, only to continue in a trail once again after a short distance. There is no apparent drop in altitude by the plane, so why is that? Is the temperature so different in a small section of the sky, that it would cause this?

Maybe these things are filled with chemicals. Chemicals necessary for weather modification, and maybe not population reduction. I am convinced that not all of this activity is just simply contrails. It just does not add up.

Took this on the 29th on my phone, sorry if it is unclear.

Here is an example of the two different phenom produced.

First...CHEMTRAIL....then it shuts off chem and "contrail" becomes visible, that is the natural "Contrail".

See for yourself.

I still say nothing to do with poisoning people, everything to do with controlling "pressure" in the atmosphere, continuity of communications, control....

Peace

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
Here is an example of the two different phenom produced.

First...CHEMTRAIL....then it shuts off chem and "contrail" becomes visible, that is the natural "Contrail".

Both are contrails. What was the plane doing, climing or descending or level flight?

As has been explained the air temperature/humidity is not constant, it changes due to certain factors.

Why do you think the temperature/humidity etc stays the same up that high?

controlling "pressure" in the atmosphere, continuity of communications, control....

Please explain how spraying something can control the pressure etc etc.