China to Blame for unproductive Copenhagen?

From the Guardian:

China's strategy was simple: block the open negotiations for two weeks, and then ensure that the closed-door deal made it look as if the west had failed the world's poor once again. And sure enough, the aid agencies, civil society movements and environmental groups all took the bait. The failure was "the inevitable result of rich countries refusing adequately and fairly to shoulder their overwhelming responsibility", said Christian Aid. "Rich countries have bullied developing nations," fumed Friends of the Earth International.

The Guardian

Some threads on ATS suggest that the current accusations of China being the one to blame for a lack of progress at the recent climate talks in Copenhagen is merely American propaganda to offset the pressure on President Obama. After reading this article from the Guardian, I am convinced that China is more to blame than any other single player on the global scale.

I know that Climate Change doesn't have a good name in this community, but whether or not it is human-induced, the fact is we need to consider the quality of the environment around us. Over-consumption harms us all, and both the east and West are to blame. There is no way out of it; we are all at fault. However, I believe that the mud-slinging at the American Government for the stagnant Climate Change agenda in Copenhagen is unfounded, and that China really is to blame, whether you like it or not. China has a massive population and is an economic superpower. I can assure you that they will play any game possible to continue their rapid rise to power in global politics and economics.

Comments?

reply to post by For(Home)Country


No they are not, usa should of went with chines idea, of usa paying 400billion a year. USA spends a trillion a year on wars, so what is 400billion.

reply to post by andy1033


How would you know? Were you in the room at Copenhagen? Do you know the consumptious agenda's of the Chinese Government? And if you haven't noticed, Obama's term is up soon. Climate change is high on the agenda of the voting peoples, so this would of been an important win for him, don't you think? Or do you believe that voting doesn't matter?

OK political people

SO a COMMUNIST nation killed the agenda of the "SOCIALIST" elite



This is very rich, triple cream rich

reply to post by For(Home)Country


His term is up soon? He was just elected president last january... he still has plenty of time in office. Up soon, hahahahaha

If the Carbon Tax scheme failed then excellent news as far as I am concerned. No company or industrialized nation for that matter will do what is necessary for the enviroment unless they can reap huge profits off of it. No treaty will ever come about that has them sacrifice a thing. we'll pay for their losses in turning to an enviromentally sound business model if that ever happens. If Corporations had a conscience we wouldn
t be in this mess in the first place. They arent going to start now. Let it fail and good riddance. They screwed up the world they can pay for it. I recylce and use my green bin and walk or take a bus when I can. They destory forests dump toxins and put on a pouty face in mock sadness for the earth. Why should I or anyone else pay for their profit driven madness?

Copenhagen was a farce. It makes my holidays to hear nothing came of it.

reply to post by xX aFTeRm4Th Xx


Oh he won't be in office the full 4 years.. the impeachment trial will begin early in 2011 and the trial for treason for him and a bunch of people who have subverted the constitution.

reply to post by Janky Red


I agree, this is just hilarious, China the next super power, is doing what they feel out of their butt to do, after all they pay Americas bills.

Nobody tells them how to do their business when the hold the mighty US by the balls because our debt.

But then again Obama may still have 3 more years but will he still have majority congress? I don't think so.

reply to post by expat2368


And you know this how? I suppose you own a time machine? If you have any evidence other than your opinion please provide it, I would be more than interested to look at it. As I really do hope you are correct! Without that however, it is just another speculation by yet another fellow member.

reply to post by expat2368


Seriously? With the 8 years of treason and high crimes from our previous administration, and 8 years from the one prior...

I appreciate your optimism, but the system is broken as far as government accountability goes.

Long since gone are the "good old days" of Nixon...when the checks and balances system actually worked.

I guess it's just up to us...continue with the new status quo (the status is NOT quo) or we finally do something about it.

Not whine to our 'representatives' or fill out an online form to complain. We have become too docile about our resistance. I'm not saying we should do anything violent, but words can only take us so far. And words are often ignored, placated, misused, or worse yet twisted and used against us.

Jim

reply to post by For(Home)Country


China, Canada, the US, the UK...

Basically, the entire damned problem was putting the politicians in charge of the thinking rather than the scientists. I'm sure that the politicians in question are intelligent enough (members of their respective countries no doubt vehemently disagree ) but the fact is, they're beholden to interests. Their people, corporations, personal and national rivalries, the whole swamp of politics...

Copenhagen was doomed from the get-go because the science involved was never actually involved. it was just a bunch of world leaders trying to steal a bag of cash and a bucket of power from other world leaders without losing anything in turn.

Might as well put the kindergarteners in charge of doling out cookies.