2 More Police officers Shot in Washington State

The trouble is that although you have to admit that the wide majority of police are there for the protection of your country , there are a few, sometimes working together, who have thier own interests, and do not uphold the law when it suits them not to .
Now I am not saying that these shootings reflect that, lets face it the perpetrator of the quadruple shooting was a wackjob and thats a bottom line on that case. All I am saying is that not every single cop shooting is a hero killing.
It would be great to assume that swearing an oath to perform thier duty is enough for all officers, but its an unfortunate reality that some cops are just bent.
Its exactly the same here in Britain. Except very few of our cops carry firearms, and therefore have more subtle ways of performing thier douchery.

reply to post by TrueBrit


The history of violence in the Police Force with in the UK goes back years even before I was born.

I do still have some respect for Police officers who do, do thier duties, to protect the public, help out in the community etc. But then you have a certain percentage of the Police officers, who have nothing better to do, but to taze, beat up, even kill Citizens or innocent bystanders, whom are caught up in the thick of things.

They are the officers whom bring down the Police force.

reply to post by Laurauk


Man is not a perfect race. Give some power, and you will always have bad ones.

reply to post by ThePeoplesSoldier


Might be a harsh comment, but it is the truth. I am not stating that the shootings of the police officers is justified. Any shooting, deaths, is horrible, shocking.

Some just need to see, hear both sides. The notion that the Police are there to serve the public, disappeared years go.

reply to post by ThePeoplesSoldier


I am not stating any human being is perfect. Far from it. But there are those who, join the police for one purpose, to beat, discriminate, against others, wat ever race, colour or sexuality they are.

reply to post by Laurauk


Meh, I suppose there might be some but most people that become police officers are young, and inexperienced in the world. The join because they need a sense of belonging to something bigger then themselves kinda like joining the military. I also think alot of people join because its a good job right now that’s stable, good benefits, decent pay, and not all departments require you to have a college education. Take peoples jobs away and there gunna flock were ever the money is.

[edit on 22-12-2009 by ThePeoplesSoldier]

Yes very sad for the families involved. As for bad cops being a small minority,im not so sure. Just about every officer i have ever met has been drunk on power..just to varying degrees. Most of them don't even have a clue as to what laws they are enforcing either....try to tell them your rights and their ego steps in and they see it as you trying to undermine their authority. The worst time you want to be near a police officer is say at a large protest when they are wearing all their gear, psychologically it makes them 10x worse than they usually are. Sorry for off topic, seems from other replies there have been quite a few police officer shootings in washington? don't really follow such incidents. Although i don't think this has anything to do with gun bans like thisguyrighthere thinks though, americans seem to be a tad paranoid regarding the government trying to ban guns. Usually it's unsubstantiated.

[edit on 22-12-2009 by Solomons]

reply to post by Solomons


You are correct about police not knowing all of the laws, but let me ask you this. How many of the laws do you know? Have you ever picked up a Revised Code Traffic/Criminal law book? They are ridiculous to attempt to memorize and are usually learned throughout a career. The laws are taught to police but only the most commonly occurring ones. They are then issued the pocket size books of the Revised code books and usually a cheat sheet so they don't have to look up the common ones.

So yes you are correct but realize you are accusing them of not memorizing a dictionary sized book. Its not the ability to memorize it but to reference it when they need to.

Just wanted to clarify a few things here. I live in Washington and am familiar with the area of the shooting , a few miles from where I grew up. Nope, I wasn't there, but I watched the local news and here's what they reported, in my words.

At this point both of the officers are going to live. One is fine with a gunshot to the neck. The other while still in critical condition will live according to doctors, but will probably take awhile to recover as he has a gunshot to the back of the head.

This was not a planned attack against the police, it was a domestic violence 911 call. The call was made because there was an argument and the suspect would not leave his brothers house. The rest kind of has missing pieces, but the brother of the suspect let police into his house and his brother ran upstairs and armed himself with two guns (a pistol and a rifle I think) and a gunfight ensued. It's not clear (reported) who shot first or how it went down.

The suspect who is now deceased has a history of Domestic Violence. Once for holding his teenage daughter against the wall and cutting her with a knife and another for slashing his brothers tires while his brother was in his car. This is just what was reported by the media and I'm repeating it, FYI.

Again, this was an argument between family members. Whether it was escalated by the police presence or how they handled the situation is not said, but it appears they were just doing their job and they got shot. It is clear though that the suspect had an anger problem, a history of violence and has pulled weapons on family members in the past.


[edit on 22-12-2009 by verylowfrequency]

Originally posted by ThePeoplesSoldier
reply to post by Laurauk

 

Man is not a perfect race. Give some power, and you will always have bad ones.

It is not just a few bad ones. When I was a teenager the county came in and fired 75% of the force where I lived. They had videos of cops dealing drugs and videos of cops drinking on duty. There were substantiated claims of assault, rape, and extortion.

This year a town in NC had the complete force disbanded. The city was forced to turn over all police powers to the county sheriff.

The Durham, NC police were known to be very corrupt. It wasn't uncommon for new recruits to leave the department under "severe mental distress." It was a long running joke that the elevator in the police station "jammed up" between floors throwing perps on the floor.

I witnessed police in SC tip off criminals about upcoming raids. The same town had police that were known to rob suspected drug dealers and run protection rackets.

This year in Arkansas the police shot the fire chief in court.

As the police force becomes more of a paramilitary force the abuses become more common. The fact that people decide to strike back against injustices (real or imagined) isn't surprising.

I'm not condoning attacking cops. I have family that is detectives and officers. What I am saying is that we cannot paint police as heroes the way we once could.

Even my relatives admit that the department has taken own an Us v. Them mentality. Cops are routinely recruited for military backgrounds. Many of them have no training in law and law enforcement past the required Basic Law Enforcement Training classes required in many areas. They have no real concept of what is legal or lawful. Some of them still believe they are operating under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Cops treat all citizens as offenders that haven't been caught yet. We must treat them the same way given the recent shift in their ideology and actions.

Quite simply a domestic dispute call is the most dangerous call a police officer can answer. God alone knows what he, or she, will run into. I can't even begin to imagine wanting to do this sort of work as a career, power trip or no...waaaay too dangerous for me. ...and I worked in the fishing industry in the Bering Sea.

My prayers to both officers and their families...

reply to post by verylowfrequency


I was replying when this post was made. Thank you for clarifying what happen. I guess it makes my previous post slightly off topic.