Liberal-Democrat, Conservative-Republican.

To me they are still both right of center, or atleast Moderate-Democrat and Conservative-Republican. The Canadian Liberal party is much more left then the Democrat's and there is still another party further left. Most of Europe is the same to my knowledge.
Remeber it was all the Puritains and crazy religious nuts that were kicked out of Europe that came and settled the USA
This whole Democrat/Republican argument is about as useful as arguing weather Tweddle-Dee or Tweddle-Dum is the smart one.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Oh my GAWD, Look who’s calling the kettle black!!!! Are you really so utterly stupid that you don’t realize how moronic you sound? How many lies you tell? How you twist words? I honestly believe you wouldn’t know the truth if it cam up behind you and…well, I think we all get the picture….

I never said I was from the south, that was you assuming, and now twisting my words to fit your pugnacious lies.

“Kindly female moderator like Nans?” WTF???? That’s like calling you an honest, fun loving philanthropist. Get a life, you putrid pile of dung. What a word twister. Yes, I made a single remark in reference to Nans, the French version of YOU, a disgusting, vile, lying SOB. I honestly don’t know which is worse, but I ignore her, as she’s obviously delusional. Of course, the jury is still out on you.

“outright racist, liars, and blowhards?” “misogynist, leading to their in the closet homosexual tendencies?”

How far out on a limb are you willing to go with your outrageous bullshiite, piggy? You surely haven’t shown any restraint as of yet. I think it’s just a few grains of sand that stand between you and careening over the edge into insanity. The mental illness is apparent in your every post.

Well, at risk of you popping a blood vessel in your brain, could you tell me how many lies I have told?

But back to your comments, now you attack the French? Is Nans a vile SOB because she is French or is she a vile SOB because she is like me...black? I don't know, repugnant? Help us all to understand. Is that why you ignore her? Or is it because women are beneath a repugnant? Is that the repugnant belief system?

Help us all to understand, Affirmative.

I think conservative should be a curseword, in answer to any Neocons who think that liberalism IS a curseword:

What's wrong with liberalism? Liberals arn't communists, hippies or people who want to scrounge off the state. A fine example of how liberalism can work is the UK- we have free healthcare (well, its paid for by taxes) and a general welfare state, we are run by a labour government (by definition socialist and by your reasoning therefore 'liberal'), and we arn't doing too badly- we are the world's 4th largest economy, but with somewhere near the 20th largest population and ranking close the bottom in land area. See? Liberalism hasn't caused harm!

I suppose if 'neocons' had their way, there would still be the slave trade, homosexuality would be a crime and they'd teach that the world was flat.

And what gives America the right to invade countries because it thinks it should act as the world's police force?

Originally posted by lordlefty
I suppose if 'neocons' had their way, there would still be the slave trade, homosexuality would be a crime and they'd teach that the world was flat.

And what gives America the right to invade countries because it thinks it should act as the world's police force?

These are the tenets of the repugnants which Affirmative Reaction has exemplified so well.

Originally posted by lordlefty
I think conservative should be a curseword, in answer to any Neocons who think that liberalism IS a curseword:

What's wrong with liberalism? Liberals arn't communists, hippies or people who want to scrounge off the state. A fine example of how liberalism can work is the UK- we have free healthcare (well, its paid for by taxes) and a general welfare state, we are run by a labour government (by definition socialist and by your reasoning therefore 'liberal'), and we arn't doing too badly- we are the world's 4th largest economy, but with somewhere near the 20th largest population and ranking close the bottom in land area. See? Liberalism hasn't caused harm!

I suppose if 'neocons' had their way, there would still be the slave trade, homosexuality would be a crime and they'd teach that the world was flat.

And what gives America the right to invade countries because it thinks it should act as the world's police force?

sorry but we like freedom. not your oppresive government BS. Thats y liberal is a curse word. It's communist, a thing the U.S. has fought from its beginning. And we r turning into that.. sick.. thing because of liberals.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by TheRebel22]

Originally posted by Colonel

Well, at risk of you popping a blood vessel in your brain, could you tell me how many lies I have told?

But back to your comments, now you attack the French? Is Nans a vile SOB because she is French or is she a vile SOB because she is like me...black? I don't know, repugnant? Help us all to understand. Is that why you ignore her? Or is it because women are beneath a repugnant? Is that the repugnant belief system?

Help us all to understand, Affirmative.

You see, that is the problem with moronic idiots like you. You have nothing to say. You simply pop off to hear yourself speak, then when called on the carpet, you start the attack. It doesn’t matter what the person says, you’ll twist it around to fit your sick needs. You have GOT to be a lawyer, or at least have something to do with the legal profession. You’re the proven racist here, piggy boy.

How many lies have you told? There are computers that are still calculating the highest number, and the haven’t reached it yet. When they do, you can square it and that might come close to equaling the number of lies that spew forth from that vile slit beneath your nose.

Where is the attack on the French, twister piggy? I said, “the French version of you”. Where is the attack there? It is simply descriptive. Is that now racist?

Have I EVER said a SINGLE WORD about your skin color? Nope. Never. As a matter of fact, do you know to what race I belong? NO!!! You DON’T!!! Because you assume. Why do you assume? Because if anybody disagrees with the “All Powerful Kernal” he must be a white, male republican.

You read like a cheap novel, piggy boy. Go back to your author and demand a re-write.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by Colonel

Well, at risk of you popping a blood vessel in your brain, could you tell me how many lies I have told?

But back to your comments, now you attack the French? Is Nans a vile SOB because she is French or is she a vile SOB because she is like me...black? I don't know, repugnant? Help us all to understand. Is that why you ignore her? Or is it because women are beneath a repugnant? Is that the repugnant belief system?

Help us all to understand, Affirmative.

You see, that is the problem with moronic idiots like you. You have nothing to say. You simply pop off to hear yourself speak, then when called on the carpet, you start the attack. It doesn’t matter what the person says, you’ll twist it around to fit your sick needs. You have GOT to be a lawyer, or at least have something to do with the legal profession. You’re the proven racist here, piggy boy.

How many lies have you told? There are computers that are still calculating the highest number, and the haven’t reached it yet. When they do, you can square it and that might come close to equaling the number of lies that spew forth from that vile slit beneath your nose.

Where is the attack on the French, twister piggy? I said, “the French version of you”. Where is the attack there? It is simply descriptive. Is that now racist?

Have I EVER said a SINGLE WORD about your skin color? Nope. Never. As a matter of fact, do you know to what race I belong? NO!!! You DON’T!!! Because you assume. Why do you assume? Because if anybody disagrees with the “All Powerful Kernal” he must be a white, male republican.

You read like a cheap novel, piggy boy. Go back to your author and demand a re-write.

goodness gracious. pwned.

You know, I'm really going to miss the Pit. I post there everyday and a few people are screwing with a good thing. I've said that we need this forum to give people an outlet, keep mudslinging off the other forums, but if it's going to be like this thread, no way. Thanks pals.

Intrepid: I'm sorry. I just asked Affirmative Reaction questions. I never called him anything but apparently he cannot speak without insulting someone---anyone. I've noticed this for a time but he is the anomaly of ATS members---not the norm. Honestly, he reminds me of the possessed girl on the Exorcist. This is pretty much how I feel about most of the repugnant party.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Colonel]

Originally posted by intrepid
Quote"President Clinton used American troops more than any president since WW2."

What history book have you been reading? I'll name 2- LBJ, may he never have peace. Regan, money for bullets, before money for homeless. I can go on. You want it?

Not to be too gullable, but according to the Discovery Channel, Bill Clinton used American troops more times than any president since WW2 (including Vietnam).

Originally posted by curme

Increased spending where? It wasn't body armor.

President Bush is the first President since Nixon who went half a term without vetoing a single spending project.


I wasn't trying to take sides. I hate all politicians.

Well, if you want to count Viet Nam as 1 time, I can see that arguement. But what about the # of soldiers sent? VN started about the same time I did, early-mid 60's, and ended in 1975.

Originally posted by Cutwolf
Maybe at the age of 17 I am just naive in my understanding of the differences between liberal and conservative, but it seems to me that it boils down to:

Liberal - wanting change, wanting progress, wanting adaptation

Conservative - happy how things are. Opposed to traditional roles, values, ideas, and beliefs changing.


So why is it that in every thread I see people throw the word "liberal" around like it is a curse word?

In the Homosexual marriage threads I see those against equal rights...err allowing homosexual marriage...calling those for equal rights "liberals" as if it is a curse word. Whenever there is a thread that calls the president out on an obvious lie or mistake (WMDs in Iraq), some responses will eventually say "you liberal you!" like a curseword.

It seems to me that whenever someone questions something (sheesh, who would have ever thought we had the right. What, with the 1st amendment and all...) that is widely accepted, they are called a liberal and insulted. Whenever someone calls for change, they are called a liberal and insulted.

Now I am just curious - what is wrong with wanting change? What is wrong with questioning things? Is that not what this country is for? Why is being a "liberal" such a bad thing if "liberals" are simply excersizing the rights granted in our constitution; simply excersizing human nature to question and adapt?



[Edited on 23-5-2004 by Cutwolf]

Wolfie, I haven't read all of the responses as I'm running behind time, but let me try and help.

You have the definitions about bass-ackwards. Conservatism is in fact for traditional values, ethics and morals. Conservatism is opposed to cultural changes that go against the moral base upon which this nation was founded. In other words, what made this nation strong for many, many decades, should not be altered.

If you are only 17, I can certainly see why you would think that the "conservative movement" is opposed to what you might think is "traditional" values. Fact of the matter is, traditional values have been under attack for decades, now. Topics such as "homosexual rights" and "abortion rights" are not traditional in any sense, but the assault against family values and conservative ways have been going on so long that, at your age, you probably think that these relatively new concepts are the tradition. I assure you, they are not.

You ask what is wrong with wanting change. Some change is good, while other changes are not. The harm that is inflicted on society just might be immeasurable. Remember that the Founding Fathers expected this nation to be a Judeo-Christian nation? Remember that Ben Franklin said the only way this "experiment in society" would suceed was with Judeo-Christian ethics, morals and principles? Let's assume that this belief was not merely because of its morals and values, but because God and Christ is real. The furtherwe go from God's will, can we expect to survive, let alone prosper?

Especially considering how we are stretching ourselves thin, considering how we are making ourselves vulnerable, and considering how those who have either abandoned God's principles or never had them to begin with want us to be destroyed, I'd say this is not the time to abandon our traditionally conservative ways.

That's the way I see it.

Originally posted by Colonel
Intrepid: I'm sorry. I just asked Affirmative Reaction questions. I never called him anything but apparently he cannot speak without insulting someone---anyone. I've noticed this for a time but he is the anomaly of ATS members---not the norm. Honestly, he reminds me of the possessed girl on the Exorcist. This is pretty much how I feel about most of the repugnant party.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Colonel]

You're such a lying hypocrite it's amazing you can even stand to be around yourself...but then, you're too stupid to realize what an azz you are...

Yes, yes, everyone...the Kernal is oh so innocent. Never the aggressor, never calls names, never lies, it's always the other guys fault. You know, my kids used to use those excuses, but they stopped when they were about 9 or 10. How old does that make you, Kernal...6, maybe 7?

I'm done with you. Slink off into the sewer you came from.



[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

......One comment does not a racist make.....

I'm sorry to keep raining on your parade AR, but if you are going to accuse someone of racism and deny it yourself. One comment DOES a racist make.

You cannot preach to others if you do not practice it yourself.

With regard to Nan's being French, I do not consider this overtly racist, but the underlying reason for mentioning her nationality, when it adds nothing to the conversation, brings question to your reasoning.

Example
Ron Atkinson is a famous football (soccer) pundit and manager, after a recent European match he described one of the players "Marcel Desailly" as a lazy n!gger, he believed they were not transmitting. Slip of the tongue or does he harbour deeper feelings regarding race and, more specifically, colour, which he does not normally vocalise. He was fired and I haven't seen him on TV since.

There are very few people on this planet who could claim not to harbour some degree of racism. Racial stereotyping has been pumelled into us from an early age, and it is not without a great deal of concious thought and self critisism that we learn to deal with these personal issues.

Please do not be offended by what I say here, as I believe we are all in the same boat and I only looked for comments of yours as you laid down a challenge to "Colonel" to find comments of a racist nature, this was the only one I found, and obviously haven't looked at all your threads, but I have not looked to see if the Colonel has made any similar remarks either, you may want to provide an example.

[Edited on 27-5-2004 by Koka]

Originally posted by Koka

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

......One comment does not a racist make.....

I'm sorry to keep raining on your parade AR, but if you are going to accuse someone of racism and deny it yourself. One comment DOES a racist make.

If you honestly believe that, then you are an idiot. People make comments in the heat of the moment that have nothing to do with the way they feel on any other given day. It's moronic attitudes like yours that perpetualize the bogus ascertation that "everybody is a racist". I don't accept that. You know nothing about me, you have no idea what my background is, what my ethnicity is, what my family make up is. To call me a racist on the basis of one comment made in anger is even more closed minded than the drivel the Kernal posts.

You are absolutely and unequivocally wrong, and I reject your entire statement.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
If you honestly believe that, then you are an idiot. People make comments in the heat of the moment that have nothing to do with the way they feel on any other given day. It's moronic attitudes like yours that perpetualize the bogus ascertation that "everybody is a racist". I don't accept that. You know nothing about me, you have no idea what my background is, what my ethnicity is, what my family make up is. To call me a racist on the basis of one comment made in anger is even more closed minded than the drivel the Colonel posts.

I'm unsure as to what you're so angry about and am unsure as to what your ethnicity or family make-up has to do with you being racist or not.

You call me an idiot and moronic, and yet you know no more about me than I know about yourself.

You called the Colonel a racist and claimed that you had, at no point ever used racist terminology, a point I proved you to be wrong about, might I add that it was the first thread I, randomly, looked at. I breezed through some of your other postings and, have to admit, it was the only one I came across.

When you get angry and refer to someone in a racist manner, what part of your intellect is doing the talking, does your brain not control your fingers as they type the words in front of you. It must be harder to type a racist statement than it is to have one slip out vocally.

To claim to be non-racist is to not have one thought cross your mind that the person you are conversing with is any different to yourself. Thought is the important thing here, because it's not necessarily what you say but how you think and if you think that way, you are more likely to accidently let one slip out.

I try to be constructive in my critisism, and seldom revert to name calling, as it adds little to the debate, other than to fuel the anger of the individual you are debating with.

In with anger out with love, to coin a phrase.

[Edited on 27-5-2004 by Koka]

Originally posted by Koka


You call me an idiot and moronic, and yet you know no more about me than I know about yourself.

You called the Colonel a racist and claimed that you had, at no point ever used racist terminology, a point I proved you to be wrong about, might I add that it was the first thread I, randomly, looked at. I breezed through some of your other postings and, have to admit, it was the only one I came across.

It is your statements that are moronic, as I stated. Regardless of what you may believe, you can not and do not know what is in a persons mind. That is what makes your statement totally invalid. The generalization that "one word or statement" makes someone a racist, or reveals racist tendencies, is what lends credence to those who wish to use racism as a way out of all their many times self induced problems. I will not be a part of that, as it is an unsound argument.

The Kernal, however, is an avowed racist. But I wont go into that here, as he documents that himself quite often, making it unnecessary.

affirmative you did call them an idiot. you didnt just say their remarks or comments were moronic...now calm down. denial is an ugly thing affirmative, very ugly and it breeds ignorance.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction


You're such a lying hypocrite it's amazing you can even stand to be around yourself...but then, you're too stupid to realize what an azz you are...

Yes, yes, everyone...the Kernal is oh so innocent. Never the aggressor, never calls names, never lies, it's always the other guys fault. You know, my kids used to use those excuses, but they stopped when they were about 9 or 10. How old does that make you, Kernal...6, maybe 7?

I'm done with you. Slink off into the sewer you came from.



[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Affirmative Reaction]

AR, this is what I'm talking about. This rant has nothing to do with the topic, it's pure bashing. If you want to contribute something, fine, but take your hatered elsewhere please.

Originally posted by intrepid

AR, this is what I'm talking about. This rant has nothing to do with the topic, it's pure bashing. If you want to contribute something, fine, but take your hatered elsewhere please.

To AR's credit (and trust me, it is a very small credit at that), I do think Colonel plays the race sex card entirely too often.

It's not so much played as it is infered.

But I agree. AR almost never answers a question, and when he does it slathered with insults not pertaining to anything.