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Christmas Satans Claws? Santa Claus??

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posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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In the Arrival series, it talks about Holly wood, the wood from Holly trees being used as wands for black magic, and Holly wood being the place where the brainwashing comes from, well......what about christmas??? Circles (wreaths of Holly being put on everyones doors, and what do we have?


The highest instances of depressiion and suicides, domestic violence, divorces, break ups, betraylas etc....the most dangerous time of the year.

People are obligated to sacrifice (gifts) to people they don't really want to, it is so materialistic etc...

People are obligated to travel at the worst time for horrible driving conditions in the snow and ice etc....

NONE of it makes any sense or has a thing to do with the birth of Christ....he never even said to celebrate his birth anyways! :O

I am starting to think christmas is the most satanic time of the year....




posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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Aha! From WIKI en.wikipedia.org...



KrampusKrampus is a mythical creature who accompanies Saint Nicholas in various regions of the world during the Christmas season, especially Austria. The word Krampus originates from the Old High German word for claw (Krampen). In the Alpine regions, Krampus is represented by an incubus-like creature. While Saint Nicholas gives gifts to good children, the Krampus warns and punishes bad children. Traditionally, young men dress up as the Krampus in the first two weeks of December, particularly in the evening of December 5, and roam the streets frightening children and women with rusty chains and bells.[1] In some rural areas the tradition also includes birching by Krampus, especially of young girls. Images of Krampus usually show him with a basket on his back used to carry away bad children and dump them into the pits of Hell.

Modern Krampus costumes consist of Larve (wooden masks), sheep's skin, and horns. Considerable effort goes into the manufacture of the hand-crafted masks, and many younger adults in rural communities compete in the Krampus events.

In Oberstdorf, in the southwestern alpine part of Bavaria, the tradition of der Wilde Mann ("the wild man") is kept alive. He is like Krampus (except the horns), is dressed in fur, and frightens children (and adults) with rusty chains and bells, but is not an assistant of Saint Nicholas.

In the aftermath of the Austrian Civil War the Krampus tradition was a target of Austrian Fascists allied with Nazi Germany.[2]





posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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Santa and Satan.

Both wear red and black.

Both detract from the true meaning of Christmas.

Coincidence????????



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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exactly! I just took the wreath off my door and took down all of the christmas decorations and already feel soooo much better, lol....

Not to mention the cutting down of oxygen producing trees!!! :O



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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exactly! I just took the wreath off my door and took down all of the christmas decorations and already feel soooo much better, lol....

Not to mention the cutting down of oxygen producing trees!!! :O



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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I did read the OP. One thing that stood out to me was the comment about Jesus never saying to celebrate his birth. That sort of idea. Um......so what? People can celebrate it or not. Do Christians celebrate the birth of the Messiah at a terrible time of year, in the northern hemisphere, yes. But, no. The weather sucks, but it's not like it interferes with the old timey activities. No gardens to tend to. No harvest, it's already over. It's not time to plant seeds or plow your garden. It's a pretty much dead time when you consider when the birth of Christ crap was set up by the Catholic Church. So, well, just don't go out. Easy, ain't it? Don't fly. Don't drive unless you must. Stay home. Keep warm. Have fun and be safe.




Oh, and dancing naked around a bonfire is not recommened at the end of December. Save that for sometime in the summer. That's when I do it and it's all fun and cool. lol Happy Naked Pagan Dancing to you all on ATS!!!!!!



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 09:44 PM
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lol....nekked dancing, might scare some! lol..


I think Jesus's real birth is in August apparently anyways...



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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lol

'Santa Claus' is derived from 'Sante Klaas' (Niklaas) meaning 'Saint Nicholas.'



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by AshleyD
lol

'Santa Claus' is derived from 'Sante Klaas' (Niklaas) meaning 'Saint Nicholas.'


Yeah, there is way more to it than that...everyone knows THAT definition....



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 03:22 AM
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I couldn't agree more. December 25th is the winter solstice. This date was picked by the Catholic church as a pseudo date for Jesus' birth, because they didn't know the actual date....they also were trying to convert more pagans. The pagans celebrated the winter solstice, so the Catholics married the two, and renamed it Christmas.

But here's the thing...this date is significant for a lot of reasons, to a lot people. The real reason why this date is celebrated is only known to a few people. If you examine old christmas hymns and carols, you might notice some odd wording. If you are familiar with medieval symbolism or alchemical symbolism, a completely different picture starts to emerge as to why this date is/was so important, and why we "symbolically" give gifts in almost a zombie manner every year. No one "gets" what it is really about.

Jesus was born, but his birth was most likely in the spring, since shepherds most certainly would NOT have been watching their flocks by night in the winter. Unchanged traditions in that region clear this up nicely.

Jesus stated twice to his disciples "have I not said ye are gods?" He also stated that they would perform miracles GREATER than his own, and he did teach them to perform the same things he did. This digs into a very touchy subject, but my own research has led me to believe that we ALL have the ability to become a "christ" or a "krystos"....an anointed one. Strict traditions in the east hold on to the idea that the age of the krystos is returning again....meaning, that is it cyclic in nature, and resides within us. Jesus was born one since his astrological alignment was perfectly set up for it - the wise men knew this! But for the rest of us, we need a little help, and the universe lines up every few thousand years to do that. The Bible is steeped in astrological symbolism, so it's not hard to figure a lot of this out.


I believe Christmas itself is a good thing....IF one is learned in the deeper reasons as to WHY it is important. But I don't think that the way it is currently celebrated is a good thing. The birth of Christ on December 25th may very well be the celebration of a future event.....as in, the return of Christ. It is a date, a time frame, that if practiced properly, COULD usher in the return of Christ within us. Most Christians believe that Christ exists externally from themselves as one man, but I beg to differ. The term "Christ" was a title given to a spiritual teacher....an adept in the religious mysteries....one who was able to perform miracles. What most people don't know is that this was a general term, meaning that there was more than one Christ....there were many! The New Testament just happens to be about one who took his practices into the public to teach, and in effect, he did "save the world" with his teachings. A typical Christ would NEVER display a miracle in public, out of fear of the people worshiping them instead of God.

Well, for what it's worth....that's my take on it.



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 04:11 AM
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thanks. Very informative, makes a lot of sense.... Also, why would Christ set an example he didn't want us to follow?



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 04:23 AM
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words words words...that's all it is....

you're getting caught up in them and making them into something that they don't truly represent...



4+ letter words made from "Santa Claus"
1 aals 2 acta 3 acts 4 actual 5 alan
6 alans 7 alant 8 alants 9 alas 10 alts
11 anal 12 anas 13 anlas 14 ansa 15 anta
16 antas 17 ants 18 anus 19 asana 20 asanas
21 ascus 22 aslant 23 assault 24 atlas 25 aunt
26 aunts 27 canal 28 canals 29 canasta 30 canastas
31 cans 32 canst 33 cant 34 cantal 35 cantala
36 cantalas 37 cantals 38 cants 39 cantus 40 canula
41 canulas 42 casa 43 casas 44 cassata 45 cast
46 casts 47 casual 48 casuals 49 casus 50 cats
51 caul 52 cauls 53 causal 54 causals 55 clan
56 clans 57 class 58 clast 59 clasts 60 cult
61 cults 62 cuss 63 cutlas 64 cutlass 65 cuts
66 lacs 67 lacuna 68 lacunas 69 lass 70 last
71 lasts 72 lats 73 latu 74 lauan 75 lauans
76 luna 77 lunas 78 lunt 79 lunts 80 lust
81 lusts 82 nala 83 nalas 84 nasal 85 nasals
86 natal 87 nuts 88 sacs 89 sals 90 salsa
91 salt 92 salts 93 sancta 94 sans 95 saul
96 sauls 97 sault 98 saults 99 sauna 100 saunas
101 scan 102 scans 103 scant 104 scants 105 scat
106 scats 107 scut 108 scuta 109 scuts 110 slant
111 slants 112 slat 113 slats 114 slut 115 sluts
116 stun 117 stuns 118 sultan 119 sultana 120 sultanas
121 sultans 122 suns 123 tala 124 talas 125 talc
126 talcs 127 talus 128 tans 129 tass 130 taus
131 tuna 132 tunas 133 tuns 134 tussal 135 ulan
136 ulans 137 ulna 138 ulnas 139 uncast 140 utas


I'm sure there are more too...this site clearly doesn't list them all.
www.wordplays.com...

A2D

edit to add: the simple fact that this time of year exudes our sinful nature is not surprising. It seems we're showing our disobedience everyday...not just during holidays...Thanksgiving inspires gluttony, just to name one....


[edit on 17-12-2009 by Agree2Disagree]



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by emeraldzeus
But here's the thing...this date is significant for a lot of reasons, to a lot people. The real reason why this date is celebrated is only known to a few people.


do we need to work it out for ourselves or are you going to share with the class?

OP, i dunno, i love christmas, i don't think it's satanic at all, it's sad that we're all so dispersed these days that traveling is hazardous, i think it's a bit sad that our communities are so fractured that so many people are left to feel lonely and christmas and it's sad that we're so materially obsessed that expensive meaningless gifts need to be given, but hey, that's progress.



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 05:13 AM
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once again i recommended this film:


Google Video Link



krampus:












en.wikipedia.org...

knect ruprect:





en.wikipedia.org...

...that's all public record.. not really a holiday i want any part of



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Excellent film! It was weird, I put up the decorations, felt reall funny about it, and then took them all down and put them in a box for the garbage, and felt great....right there obviously my intuition even knows better....

Like I said, it is like a peice of hell creeps in at this time of the year, but I think throwing out all the christmas crap is a strong statement that that hell is not welcome or invited to my home.

the difference is quite outstanding!



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 09:18 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Whatever floats your boat.

Personally, I love almost everything about this time of year and the holiday season. The decorations, the music, the movies, the food, the family and friends get-togethers... The worst part about it is the downer when it's all over. Or as Kin Hubbard once said, "Next to a circus, there ain't nothing that packs up and tears out faster than the Christmas spirit".

I met my wife for lunch yesterday, and we passed by one of the Santa areas where kids were lined up to sit on his lap. The look on their faces and their excitement was infectious and made me smile.

Santa Claus & Satan's Claws though? You could dislocate both shoulders reaching for that one.

But by all means if you feel better not being involved, that's absolutely what you should do.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


[Edit for typo]

[edit on 12/17/2009 by yeahright]



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 09:30 AM
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DIGG ATS for original content more info Christmas Satans Claws? Santa Claus??


We are such a superficial species.

Nothing against your or your OP but... Christmas is an inanimate abstract taken from a religion that is based on the wholly conceptual. Concepts and inanimate objects can do absolutely nothing without a human to interact.

If a car runs you over, do you blame the car or the driver?

If a crook shoots you with a gun, do you blame the criminal or the gun? (Well, never mind this one. We know that the gun is to blame here, lol.)

If people act like idiots during the holiday season, is the concept of Christmas, or how people behave while stuffing their trunks with material goods, that is to blame?

It is the human touch that corrupts the intangible and immaterial. To lay blame upon the abstract concept is to shirk our own responsibilities and to avoid the consequences of our own actions and behavior.

Merry Christmas



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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I seriously think you are in need of an evaluation if you honestly believe Christmas is satanic. And, if you are a Christian, you should already know Christ was not born on Christmas day (apparently March)

Never knew it was callous or even satanic to give food to the homeless during Christmas...



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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the first time i heard the santa claus, satans claws thing was in church when i was a kid. this is used to further indoctrinate people into organized religion. some sects of christianity are real big on word plays acting as if english is the only language. this sort of thing is quite ridiculous. this is an example of people on a witch hunt looking for evil wherever they can find it. what you seek you will find. Satan was\is an angel anyway most likely a cherubim and they do not have claws.



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by infinite
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I seriously think you are in need of an evaluation if you honestly believe Christmas is satanic. And, if you are a Christian, you should already know Christ was not born on Christmas day (apparently March)

Never knew it was callous or even satanic to give food to the homeless during Christmas...


No it isn't wrong to give food during christmas, but what about the rest of the year??

tell me how Santa Claus's origins are NOT Satanic.....explain please.



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