Aug 8 2009 Arlington Texas UFO - A MASSIVE coverup

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Anybody claiming that they are "absolutely sure" they know what this is, without giving some actual credentials to back it up (i.e., they were there and can prove it) have to be considered with a grain of salt. This is a conspiracy site, it is surprising that there would be any real members that will take a claim such as "that was a plane" at face value without confronting the obvious questions such as "how come it doesn't look like one"

You mean like the hundreds of blind faith believers who will accept that a large UFO crashed on the I20 just after rush hour with absolutely zero witnesses.
The black ops clean up crew then proceeded to place said ufo on a flatbed, without a crane (nobody saw one) and couldnt be arsed to throw a tarp over it.All the time thousands of motorists just happen to not bother to report it as they are driving by this supposed crash site on the I20. All i can imagine is that the MIB must have used thier mind erasing pens to reset everyones memories as they passed the scene.
Then the supposed black ops guys decide to drive the ufo down the interstate risking contaminating thousands of people with god knows what alien bacteria or radiation...ok i'll buy all that, it must be true as theres 2 really bad pics of something on a flatbed posted anonymously on the interwebz

Oh btw OP, could we please have a source link for the original policemans interview or are we just supposed to take that at face value as well.

reply to post by UKWO1Phot
As I said earlier, the cockpit isn`t attached yet. If this is an F-22, the cockpit doesn`t get attached until it arrives in Georgia. If it`s an F-35 section, the cockpit will be installed when it reaches the Fort Worth plant.

Originally posted by Wh00pS

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Anybody claiming that they are "absolutely sure" they know what this is, without giving some actual credentials to back it up (i.e., they were there and can prove it) have to be considered with a grain of salt. This is a conspiracy site, it is surprising that there would be any real members that will take a claim such as "that was a plane" at face value without confronting the obvious questions such as "how come it doesn't look like one"

You mean like the hundreds of blind faith believers who will accept that a large UFO crashed on the I20 just after rush hour with absolutely zero witnesses.
The black ops clean up crew then proceeded to place said ufo on a flatbed, without a crane (nobody saw one) and couldnt be arsed to throw a tarp over it.All the time thousands of motorists just happen to not bother to report it as they are driving by this supposed crash site on the I20. All i can imagine is that the MIB must have used thier mind erasing pens to reset everyones memories as they passed the scene.
Then the supposed black ops guys decide to drive the ufo down the interstate risking contaminating thousands of people with god knows what alien bacteria or radiation...ok i'll buy all that, it must be true as theres 2 really bad pics of something on a flatbed posted anonymously on the interwebz

Oh btw OP, could we please have a source link for the original policemans interview or are we just supposed to take that at face value as well.

OK... So let's say tomorrow a UFO does crash in said location, at night time. What would happen then?

What another ufo shot down by the reptillians again.They are always shooting down unauthorised alien entry to planet earth.They do it all the time.Of course it has to be covered up everytime.Roswell was one of the first.Cannot have people crawling around a crashed ufo sight.They might pick up some evidence and take it to the media.I guess the men in black have got this one covered once again.Would anyone like to know where it crashed.

This may be the answer.

3.0 Main fuselage components The F-22 fuselage is built in 4 major parts which are manufactured by different companies. This image shows who is doing what. - Lockheed Martin in Marietta takes care of constructing the Forward fuselage, the fins, flaps, ailerons and front-end flaps and for mating the three major fuselage components - Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth takes care of building the Mid Fuselage. This is the largest and most complex of the F-22 assemblies. It is approximately 17 feet long, 15 feet wide, and six feet high and weighs about 8,500 pounds as shipped. Most of the wiring and tubing for the aircraft subsystems is integrated here.

SOURCE

May just be the Mid Fuselage..

I think what needs to be taken on board here, is that this 'cargo' needed to be transported quickly. From the interview with the police officer I get the distinct impression this was a rushed operation and feel this may be the reason behind the lack of a tarp or any cover. Also the idea of this being airplane fuselage or power station machinery does not add up when given the amount of secrecy surrounding it and the determination of the military to not be seen.
Though these are worthwhile observations, I can't help but think If it were any of the above; surely they would have longer to plan for it's move, cover it in a tarp for protection, stick a wide load sign on the back of the truck and have a smaller police escort without blocking off the on raps.
There are many things about this story that don't add up, from the almost emphatic insistence from the radio station that no calls on the matter were taken, to the police escort being sprung so suddenly and secretly.
As for the sheer size of the object, I personally believe it can not be a military airplane (any of us are aware of) and that there is a lot more going on here than can be proven at this time. Some very valid points have been made but there's no time to be overly skeptical when this could be another Roswell going straight under our noses.

reply to post by UKWO1Phot
The F-22 is assembled in Marietta. The fuselage sections are built elsewhere and shipped there. The cockpit, tails, engines, etc aren`t attached until they arrive there.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Please read it all.. And visit the image site..

Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth takes care of building the Mid Fuselage. This is the largest and most complex of the F-22 assemblies. It is approximately 17 feet long, 15 feet wide, and six feet high and weighs about 8,500 pounds as shipped.

Someone mentioned earlier about a thread from a while back with clear as day photo's of something on a flatbed...

It was this thread here, the images are at the top but I dont think it has any relevance to this thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by UKWO1Phot
I used to live less than 30 miles from Marietta, where the Lockheed plant is. They were flying one or two a month on test flights. In fact I just moved from under their corridor for the test flights. We used to sit on the porch and watch first flights go over with an F-16 chase plane.

This is interesting, and while it could easily be the fuselage of a jet being transported, there's a few things that don't add up to me:

So far there seems to be no agreement on what aircraft it is - F35, F22 (which i thought was discontinued) or an F18.

Videos being removed, the radio station claiming later it never happened, and the police not knowing about it.

The amount of escort, which both transport guys, and military guys say is not standard in any way.

I don't think it crashed on the highway (if it is a ufo), they vid with the guy filming while following it, claimed it came out of a residential area

reply to post by Lee_K


Like you say it has no relevance to this thread, the link to the pictures you posted look a bit like a large impeller in transport, I didn't read the thread....

reply to post by K-Raz
It could be either, because both have production facilities in that area. The F-22 was discontinued T 187 airframes, but they won`t take delivery of the last one for several more years. Lockheed is only building a few a month, per the contract.

Originally posted by Wh00pS

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Anybody claiming that they are "absolutely sure" they know what this is, without giving some actual credentials to back it up (i.e., they were there and can prove it) have to be considered with a grain of salt. This is a conspiracy site, it is surprising that there would be any real members that will take a claim such as "that was a plane" at face value without confronting the obvious questions such as "how come it doesn't look like one"

You mean like the hundreds of blind faith believers who will accept that a large UFO crashed on the I20 just after rush hour with absolutely zero witnesses.
The black ops clean up crew then proceeded to place said ufo on a flatbed, without a crane (nobody saw one) and couldnt be arsed to throw a tarp over it.All the time thousands of motorists just happen to not bother to report it as they are driving by this supposed crash site on the I20. All i can imagine is that the MIB must have used thier mind erasing pens to reset everyones memories as they passed the scene.
Then the supposed black ops guys decide to drive the ufo down the interstate risking contaminating thousands of people with god knows what alien bacteria or radiation...ok i'll buy all that, it must be true as theres 2 really bad pics of something on a flatbed posted anonymously on the interwebz

Oh btw OP, could we please have a source link for the original policemans interview or are we just supposed to take that at face value as well.

Yup just like those people who are *Certain* that it was a UFO from outer space. But I am Certain that whatever it was there was a coverup. that I am certain about.

Follow this thread, containing the observations of concerned Arlington citizens who are unaware of what this object was, not UFO believers, just regular people stating that they saw flashes of lights and explosions. You can see skepticism kicks in just as soon as a person brings up UFO.... but people still maintain they saw lights and heard noises.

www.topix.net...

Then reports of an object on the highway.... in ONE PIECE... an object, whatever it was, and black SUV. and the silence of the media.

Here are the FACTS:

FACT1: A tremendous amount of energy was expended somewhere around the Joe Pool Lake area, I leave it up to you to decide what the source of this energy was.. mortar fire? that's what people describe it as.

FACT2: In association with this tremendous expense of energy citizen reports of a saucer shaped object on a flat bed truck surfaced. You are free to believe those reports or to ignore them. Who knows, maybe all these people decided to independently come up with the same hoax phone calls on the same night. what are the odds of that?

FACT3: Photos and Video exist of a saucer shaped object on a flat bed truck allegedly taken on that date. Together with the above reports and facts, it remains as a consistent set of reports

FACT4: Radio reported on the event as well as twitter members. Evidence of the existence of those reports exists but not of their contents, suggesting that they have been deleted.

FACT5: A deliberate effort to keep this quiet was made. In my opinion this effort continues at this very moment.

Now, you can disagree on my interpretation of those facts all you want, you can come up with your own interpretation of those facts if you feel necessary. But you cannot dismiss the facts themselves and pretend you have no unanswered questions because that will PROVE to me you are an agent.

My interpretation of those facts is the simplest: The people reporting loud booms and flashes are telling the truth about their observations.

The video and photos are truthful and if not exact for the date of the event, are representative of the eyewitness reports.

The object is in fact something secret and not merely mundane, it is DEFINITELY saucer shaped. it's on the pictures and eyewitness reports.

You can take your pick whether this is a special man made saucer, or a reverse engineered ufo, a bona-fide saucer from another planet, or whatever you want to believe. but the object is real, whatever it is, and is there for all to see.

In your post you resorted to the straw-man fallacy. You presented how you think the events appear in the mind of an imaginary person in order to make that person look ridiculous as if that then served as an argument for your position, when your energy could have been better spent presenting your position. That is assuming you have a position.

Any event, be it a murder, a "UFO crash" a spousal dispute will appear very illogical to an observer who tries to piece it together from a few observations. In fact, if that wasn't the case, every crime would be solved on the spot instantaneously. Crimes take time to solve (and sometimes go unsolved) because a lot of the evidence is insufficient to make sense of the events. Yet that does not mean a murder did not happen, a body may still be there.

Of course the observation of a crane is missing from the reports. Does that mean that a crane wasn't there.... I don't even know what the object is, let alone where it was found, so a crane could have well been sitting next to the lake in Cedar Hill State Park and NOBODY on the highway would have seen it.

Second, how big a crane is needed to put a UFO on a flat bed truck? Who the hell knows? maybe those things are light enough to pick up by hand. So your crane story is just the element of the strawman falacy that you hope makes the "ENTIRE INTERPRETATION fall appart"

Wanna know how flatbed trucks work? They turn into a RAMP and the object SLIDES onto it. NO CRANE IS NEEDED for objects that are smooth or have wheels. So there goes your crane idea.

See how it works?

Anybody can come up with the straw-man attack, all it does is show the degree of intellectual dishonesty behind a person's words.

-rrr

I would like to kindly beg the agents who monitor this board to NOT require any more websites delete their threads. It would serve nothing but highlight that this is a cover up. Copies and contact info have been out for too long and it would be even more obvious that this is a cover up.

Although honestly I expect topix.net to have that thread gone shortly.

I would encourage any ATS members who can volunteer to keep copies and names of people who reported before it's gone.

-rrr

Originally posted by beebs
While perhaps not from the same event, it is hard to ignore the similarity in this video. At least it will serve as a good visual:

Is it me, or does this look exactly the same as in the above photographs, only the craft is flipped the other way?

Regarding that video you posted:

The audio is wrong.
The radio transmissions heard on this were actually taken from comms recordings made on 9/11. I don't remember the timestamp in particular, but the voices you hear are from a FDNY officer talking to dispatch.

Other than that, it does bear some resemblance to the object in the flickr pics.

just an FYI.
T-

Just gotta jump in here and give my opinion.
1) Definitely NOT a fighter jet, f22, f35 whatever. Look at the second twitter pic. Average lane width on interstate highway is 12' wide. Object is a full lane wide, and over hangs into the other two lanes about half way. Roughly 24' wide total. Trailer is 48' long, so length of craft is atleast 48'-55' if it overhangs front or back. Height is roughly 17' (with trailer) or so given the width, and the fact it will go under over passes. So F35 nose to tail approx 50 ft (no cockpit or a nose noticeable in pics), Height is approx 15' to top of tail from ground (object is way taller), wingspan is 35 feet (object in pics if it doesnt have wings attached is 24 feet wide already!). NOT a fighter jet CLEARLY!
2) What could it be? Well it could possibly be a legit UFO, but I highly doubt it. My guess would be a top secret craft such as Aurora but on a way smaller scale. The object actually looks a little triangular in the length but rounded like it could be a high tech aircraft, but not a conventional fighter. Also would make sense if something went wrong in a test flight and you were gonna crash a billion dollar craft what to do? Land it in one piece the first place avail. In this case a interstate highway.
3) Correct, it would just slide onto a trailer with some chains and a winch and most trailers have a winch.
4) This is CONFIRMED with eyewitness reports, and an obvious attempt at covering up the whole thing. So its not a hoax.

Conclusion: Government craft being retrieved after something went wrong.

Originally posted by Wh00pS

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Anybody claiming that they are "absolutely sure" they know what this is, without giving some actual credentials to back it up (i.e., they were there and can prove it) have to be considered with a grain of salt.

You mean like the hundreds of blind faith believers who will accept that a large UFO crashed on the I20 just after rush hour with absolutely zero witnesses.

Or, maybe the existence of "god"?! [where is my roll eyes emoticon?]

Excellent synopsis, Jersey Devil.

[edit on 12/16/2009 by SquirrelNutz]

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
Okay well this is the thing about this. This is no longer a UFO, to us peaons it is, but it is very clear that somebody in the black-ops or government know exactly what these things are.

So that begs the question, do you think they are secret military craft or ET?

The fact that the response was that swift & organized and the MIB's seemed to know what they were doing makes me lean to secret military craft---because they'd know right away when and probably where something went down.

Well, after reading this..

Police escorts were forcing people to exit and shutting down ramps getting onto the highway.

Which was wrote in August, well I guess that my theory that no one had reported being pulled over was wrong. Apparently they were.

Of course, that doesn't make this story true, anyone with knowledge of that story could easily come up with this latest clandestine report.

I wish for once, someone would grow a pair and admit exactly what they were involved in. It's difficult to believe stories from unfounded sources, who can provide no proof whatsoever.

"I hereby testify that Mister X, who WAS there, is like, totally "in the know" really is telling the truth, and this is like, SO not made up!"

Without further proofs, this is fable. A fairy tale. At least Roswell was backed up with 110 witnesses. This has what.. 1?