Originally posted by ROBO6
they had no cognition of their naked state or any awareness of the outside universe
Genesis is written like crap. So, it'll probably never make any sense to anyone.
But does saying they had no cognition of being naked really tells us anything? Maybe they did know or maybe they didn't, but that in my opinion
isn't important. Look at Gen 2:25
25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
It doesn't really stress the fact they were naked or if they knew that or not. It stresses that they felt no shame about it. Apparently the shame is
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked?
Okay, so Adam or whoever it was hid because he was shamed and then what we see isn't that God gets mad because the guy was naked. He was apparently
naked the whole time and apparently that was perfectly fine with God. After all, God made his body, if God was offended by it why did he build it that
So, what does God get mad about? God gets made because Adam hid because he was ashamed of his own body. What does this tell us?
God is mad that we feel shame about God's creation maybe? Maybe that gives us insight into what sin really is?
For example if an animal kills another animal that's just nature, it's not evil. But if a human kills another human it's evil, but why? Because we
know it's evil?
But that causes another problem. Why is it wrong to kill? Because we know it's wrong to kill right?
Okay, but what made it wrong in the first place so that we could know that it was evil? The answer is nothing. If we didn't know it was evil, it
wouldn't be evil and evil would go away. We'd be just like all the rest of God's creations and be in perfect harmony with nature.
Just like being naked. Why would it be wrong or a sin? Well there is no reason other than the fact that we know it's wrong, but if we didn't know
that then what would be wrong with it?
Because we know, sin is created and therefore punishment must be created. Why? Well you tell me. It's human's that have created sin and punishment
in my opinion and not the other way around and that's what God was upset about, and that's why he set about to eventually try and save us from
Look at the legal system. Let's look at how human's deal with sin. When the "guilty" commit a crime, they get punished right? That's how human's
deal with sin right?
So, if you want to know why did God punish Adam and Eve's sin then all you have to do is answer the same question about humans. Why do we do the
exact same thing? Perhaps it's because like many people believe. That God is actually our collective conscious. It's not God that punished us, it
was actually ourselves doing the punishing.
After all, are we to say that it's okay for us to punish sin, but it is not okay for God to do so? So many times I see people getting mad at God for
doing the same things human's do everyday to solve the same types of problems.
For example, when the cops see a naked women running down the street in most places, in her natural state like God made her, why does the cop arrest
her and take her to jail and lock her in a cell? What has she done wrong? Walked around like God made her? Answer that, and you'll answer a question
What God tells us is that her only sin would be to feel shame about being naked. After all, if she has diminished capacity and doesn't know running
down the street naked is wrong then we probably wouldn't punish her and let her go right? What does that tell us? It's not the act that's wrong.
What it tells us, is that sin is a state of mind!
We're his creation and therefore should feel no shame. It's actually us, the humans that are oppressing each other trying to make ourselves feel
guilt about things, when it fact God tells us the sin is in fact the feeling bad about it or the plotting of it and doing it on purpose, not the act
Sin is just a BS state of mind that humans have actually created and are putting on ourselves because we're animals that think we have to live up to
some kind of higher standard than the other animals. The same animals that are in perfect harmony with nature while we bumble around.
But then in the NT Jesus comes and tells us there's a new way than living without this guilt and hell that we have created for ourselves. That he
would take it away for us. So, instead of "hiding" from God because of our shame and guilt we can get back in touch with our true selves.
[edit on 14-12-2009 by tinfoilman]
[edit on 14-12-2009 by tinfoilman]