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Originally posted by theonlyrusty
And WHO created the "satans"?
And WHO created the "feelings" or emotions of guilt and shame?
And who gave man the ability to "think" about it?
We may or may not know the "truth" of 911, JFK, Atlantis, etc., but am I just gonna lay down and believe a bunch of stuff that was written 1000's of years ago (maybe) cause I am told, "IT"S gods' word". I don't think so...
Originally posted by theonlyrusty
So this "perfect" creator made a flawed creation from his own volition and puts the blame and responsibility of cleaning up the mess on his creation?
Wow!!!!...Sounds like a real intelligent god.
Excuse me if I refrain from sitting in his created heaven playing my silver harp for eternity.
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by tinfoilman
Psychopaths and/or sociopaths may not always be the criminal type, I know...However, if they have no conscience, where does the knowledge of sin come from??
[edit on 14-12-2009 by Agree2Disagree]
There was once a man that was happy. He had 6 beautiful daughters and told them all to be happy. They did many good things for their fellow man. They treated their fellow man with respect and were very abundant. Then one day the man dies.
There is another man that is unhappy. He grew up in less than desirable conditions. He robbed and stole and killed and raped and mutilated little children. He was going to be put to death so he asked a priest to "save him". He accepted jesus as his christ. Then he died.
Which one went to heaven?
It is amazing to me that there are people on these boards (no names) that will literally bash you and question your conception (hahahaha) because you ask questions of their "beloved" bible.
Originally posted by ROBO6
reply to post by theonlyrusty
So concerning the Bible and finding a point were its all logical will never happen because the Bible is illogical form its inception. True there are certain positive things that can be gleaned form the messages. But the majority of it is a lie. Its no different then the indigenous peoples in some parts of the world that believe a dragon lives in a volcano. To any sane person thats crazy. Its a cool myth but we know how volcano's work, and it aint no damn dragon getting mad and spewing out fire and lava. Like TOT said the Bible is irrational, illogical and based in fear. I personally never had a choice of attending church or learning this crap. I was forced to as a child. And I was fearful to speak out about it becuase of an ass whipping, lol, like TOT said.
Ok he's the big boss running the show, u never see him, and u cant talk to him directly you gotta go through his goons. He tells you, Yea mane if you follow me Ill give you ever lasting life. So follow me in my fight to defeat, "the devil". But there are conditions. If you fail me or blasphemy in any way I will personally destroy you, because I love you and care for you, with all of my wrath. Now go do my deeds.
There is no difference between that and Al Capone. Its amazing to me. The reason religion is so dangerous and unhealthy is like TOT said its got you in a frantic state and constantly sends out confusing messages. What religion does is put people in a victim/abuser relationship. You are told in church that you cant do nothing, NOTHING without God and that you must give service to him and accept him as the all mighty father. It completely shuts down your ability to empower yourself, which is the whole goal. Then they give messages of "uplift" that contradict the original premise. Its a slave mentality just as much and enlightenment can only be reached at death.
And this mentality is constantly reinforced by other people who just don't know how dangerous this type of thinking is. For instance I listen to the Steve Harvey show in the mornings. They do whats called a Strawberry letter that basically people right in about their problems and Steve and the crew will give advice on it. Now Steve seems like a nice guy, but they constantly push God on that show. Its sickening. So when Steve gives his advice on these letters he will be doing great, giving empowering messages, helping the person see whats really happening, I mean Steve has great discernment. But after he gives all these great messages he turns around and says you need to put it in the hands if GOD. Wow. See the conflicting. LOL we have totally gotten of of the original post question but its good to see you guys keeping it clean and making some good points. Lets keep it up.