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Originally posted by ngchunter
Space has no temperature, only matter can have temperature. Matter in space has a temperature dictated by the thermal properties of that particular material.
When calculating the temperature in space, it is important to understand that most estimates must take into account the varied makeup of space. Outer space is the portion of the universe which is almost entirely empty. Unlike the small pockets of our universe which are inhabited by stars, planets, and other large sections of matter, outer space contains very, very little. Nonetheless, it is not entirely empty, and this is important to understand when considering the temperature in space.
The short answer is that the temperature in space is approximately 2.725 Kelvin. That means the universe is generally just shy of three degrees above absolute zero – the temperature at which molecules themselves stop moving. That’s almost -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit.
The atmosphere is negligible as to be ignored where the failure occurred
Even if it were in the complete vacuum of space, yes, it would still expand. That's why astronauts can't open their suits or they'll be "sucked" out.
The pressure of the gasses in the suit itself provides the force for the gas to expand. The vacuum literally does nothing, the gas does all the work.
I'm sorry, where did I say it would not "expand"?
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by ngchunter
Space has no temperature, only matter can have temperature. Matter in space has a temperature dictated by the thermal properties of that particular material.
When calculating the temperature in space, it is important to understand that most estimates must take into account the varied makeup of space.
We are digressing though. Your assertion that a hot gas would not expand in either space or a less dense medium is a CROCK,
So in other words you don't want to consider the density of the atmosphere where the "failure" occurred.
Equal and opposite reaction genius.
You have obviously NEVER had a physics class.
Seriously, I don't even want to debate this with you, because it's THAT asinine.
Uh, why the hell else would I be responding to you?
I said if this was really a gas released by the rocket, it would have expanded like you see in all the other rocket failure videos, and then you started attacking me for saying that.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Fact: any higher-density gas placed into a lower-density medium will expand.
Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
OK. But, what does this immense, glowing Blue smudge indicate?
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Bulavas Whirling Though the Sky
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We’ve had quite a discussion in the comments over Russia’s recent failed Bulava SLBM [www.armscontrolwonk.com...] test and the pretty spiral it made before crashing into the ocean.
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
It's quite amazing that everyone here at ATS "knows" about a certain spiral in the sky over here, but noone in Norway has even heard of it. BS claims, nothing to write home about, just some dude with Photoshop and skills in rumor-making.
Originally posted by Griffo515
1. SOUND- Rockets make a lot of it...why is there none in the VIDEOS?
2. DEBRIS- No reports of any being found
3. POSITION- Why are there no side on photographs and/or video of the lights? what, everyone filming and taking photos all across Norway just happened to be standing DIRECTLY in front of it to give it THIS spiral effect?...I don't think so.
4. VALIDITY- As always, can we rely on the official report given our governments (especially Russia's) track record?
5. PRECISION- How can a failed rocket launch be so PERFECT
6. ILLUMINATION- If it were a failed rocket...would it not explode like 90% of them? where is the ka-boom! where is the light given off in such an event!...there is none. Which brings us back to our 2nd question, where is the debris??
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Originally posted by fleabit
If the rocket is far enough away, you would not hear it. Just because you can see something even that is very loud, does not mean it's within earshot. For instance, if you are watching shuttle launches from Fort Lauderdale, you can see it, but you cannot hear it.
Why would there be a "report" of debris found? I'd guess the military would recover any debris, and I doubt they'd feel it necessary to report it.
If you google up Skjervoy and the surrounding areas, you will see there isn't much there. There are a couple of other islands with a little structure on a neighboring island, but this is the largest town in the area, and the only and furthest northerly town with an actual road going to it. There is nowhere to film it from the north at all. It's somewhat curious it did not get filmed in other locations.... but perhaps not. Early morning, there were probably not a whole lot of people to even see this.
Consider how long the Phoenix light flares hung out over the city, and there was only one definitive video. Two in total, I think. Population of Phoenix is 1.5 million (when the event occurred). I am honestly surprised as many videos were taken as there were for this event.
As far as validity, it doesn't matter, does it. If no one claims responsibility, it's clearly an alien event. If Russia or some other country says "Our bad.. that was us," you call them liars, and it's clearly an alien event. No win situation there. Why even list this, when it's obvious you won't believe any official word of the event?
What's so confusing about the spiral? If a rocket is spinning on it's axis, at a set rate, and moving forward at a set rate, I would think that would be *exactly* what would happen. If the wobble was so bad that it caused the rocket to be unstable, I'd imagine it would just go down, and you'd not see this pattern at all.
Why are you assuming it exploded? I may have come down completely intact, and recovered. Who is going to recover debris in the northernmost barrens of Norway? Fishing boats? It probably ended up in the sea. You know.. sort of the reason they do these tests there.
Finally, you are being tricked by an optical illusion. The spiral does NOT turn. It only expands. You can see this if you watch it with that in mind. Finally, the obvious launch trail is clearly visible. It looks just as many other rocket launch trails do.
It would be cool if it were something else, but all aspects of this mesh and make sense being a rocket launch. Location, reports from Russia, other video of similar events, rocket trail, you name it.
The pattern formed is because of an open camera shutter, it will smooth everything out. Hence, perfect spiral rings.