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Impeachment yes or no and why?(why not..)

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posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Impeach the sucker.

Charges extrapolated from:

LIEING TO THE PEOPLE
COMMITTING MORE AMERICAN LIVES TO A HOPELESS WAR
DOUBLING THE DEFICIT
CONFLICT OF INTEREST INVESTMENTS
BROKEN PROMISED IRAQ DEADLINES
CONTINUATION OF NEO-CON POLICY AT HOME AND AROUND THE WORLD
RE-AUTHORIZATION OF PATRIOT ACT

and more. Not to mention possibly being ineligible for the office.




posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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Impeachment is just misdirection of attention and energy. It makes people feel like they are in charge, free and accomplishing something. But, in really the real issues far more important are ignored.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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The situation is bad and getting worse. We need to do something!
He has violated the Constitution. NLC 09 was a violation of the Constitution. He is establishing military forces to police citizens which is a major point in the Constitution because that could intimidate citizens into giving up their freedom.
He accepted a position as head of the security council of the UN which is a violation of the Constitution. He mandated vaccinations although that kind of fizzled out, we hope. This healthcare bill is a violation of the Constitution as is Cap & Trade. If he plots to merge us with Mexico and Canada he is guilty of treason. He owns stock in Baxter and then pushed the flu shots which is a total scam. If he isn't making money from global warming, then the people he is working for are, which even if it doesn't pass they have already defrauded the taxpayers of the money that went into research.
He should be impeached, we should at least try to impeach him. They tried to impeach Bush. He lied to us in his campaign although that's probably not an impeachable offense. He swindled everyone who gave money to his campaign except for the ptb. He is guilty of campaign fraud for turning off the machines that traced small donors that last month. He should at least be forced to show his birth certificate, even if it could be forged, it is a total slap in the face for refusing to show it, especially since Hawaii allows short form birth certificates for people from other places, just on the basis of adult relative's say so. We couldn't get a drivers license w/o a birth certificate and it was a pain to get and certainly couldn't get a job.
Sure if he is impeached the next guy will probably also be a traitor, but we'll be sure they know we'll impeach them too.
With the 60 Democrat Senators you don't think we'll succeed, but if people back home are angry enough and if they make a way to secure the vote, by demanding paper trails and getting rid of hackable voting machines, it might be possible to change their minds. We could wait for 2010, but it's a long way off and with weapons of mass destruction at the government's disposal and knowing from 911 that they don't care who they kill, who knows what can happen between then and now
I think we should impeach him, or at least try as soon as possible before it is no longer possible.

Maybe impeachment is not the way to go, maybe a massive anti-WAR campaign, (coupled with a massive protest against healthcare and cap-and -trade). That's what ended the Vietnam War.


[edit on 12-12-2009 by m khan]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by ReelView
Impeachment is just misdirection of attention and energy. It makes people feel like they are in charge, free and accomplishing something. But, in really the real issues far more important are ignored.


Then let's not ignore the real issues.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by Nyhee
Honestly, how can you impeach a president that does not exist? We have no legal president, we have an impostor. If you want to impeach him on a legality, then forging court documents would be a place to start, or being involved in a conspiracy to commit election fraud, since it has been shown that Pelosi knew about his birth certificate issues before hand, and made copies of the election registration papers that they had to turn in to each state, omitting the part that says he is or was, legally qualified to be elected in the USA constitutionally.

But truthfully, let's face it, the powers that be may have been using him all along. What better way to start a great civil unrest that leads to martial law than by electing a black president and then assassinating him?

If nazi's are in power in high places, and some evil jewish people in other high places, and both groups tend to have problems with black people, then how likely is it that they ever respected Obama in the first place?

Like everything else the diminati do, they plan way, way ahead. I am just glad that God plans even futher ahead.


OMG
God plans farther ahead? So this was some sort of a mistake that got by God? Was He sleeping or something?
Thy kingdom come thy will be done...and it was. Now here you come along second guessing God. You are saying His will was wrong and the President He gave your country is not satisfactory for you. Perhaps you don't know your God as well as you think.

PS The link provided above is from the "Bob Unruh News" This is your source?

[edit on 12-12-2009 by rusethorcain]


I found your reply quite humorous. I do understand that many people think God is the one who puts people into power, many Christians believe this, I do not. What I meant by God having prepared ahead of time or further along than the Diminati, is that his plans included using their darkness against them. I believe this will be played out in the next six or seven years.

As for the news link, WorldNetDaily it is a reputable news source, despite the guy's name who wrote it.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 07:59 PM
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Considering what he is up against...and you and i do not know or understand the full truth of it he is doing as well as Bush and to some extent President Clinton. (the guy who balanced the budget)

President Obama is facing the perfect storm.

Middle East is beginning to crash.

Employment is very difficult in homeland as well as many EU countries with banks failing weekly.

He has two wars on his table and NOW he knows why we are at war.

Mexico is imploding.

California is imploding.

East coast has pockets of extreme unemployment.

The US is losing influence and China is gaining influence.

ETC ETC

He is a man not a god so what did we all expect. Change...harder to drive then talk I guess.

Pull out of the war and face a large energy crisis. We only have so much oil and to be honest the amounts of oil in the ground is a state secret.

I mean can you imagine what would happen if we knew the Saudi reserves.



On top of it all his hands are more or less tied by the Fed Reserve, Fiat money, fractional banking, and the military etc.

His whole birth certificate issue is minor compared to what he faces.

Even if we went back to strict Magna Carta...constitutional type of goverment that would not resolve the intricate complicated trade and bank issues nor the crazy greed.







[edit on 12-12-2009 by whiteraven]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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I can understand your frustration but all these ppl are saying Obama has lied, and I haven't seen anything, or enough evidence to say he is lying. As a conservative, I believed there was plenty evidence that Bush lied and maybe even broke the law in doing so.

we are just shy of 11 months into his presidency, yeah things haven't changed much but your comment that things have gotten worse i believe is wrong. things have NOT gotten worse. it was the Republicans who first initiated this stimulus package under Bush and Obama who pushed it into law. i hate that this is used as a political point b/c it came from both sides. moreover, in a recession it takes years to recover, not just months. we may never see 4 or 5% unemployment rates ever, again! this has NOTHING to do with who is the president. or actually very little from a market point of view. yeah, what the president says in office can move markets but its the overall confidence of the public and the President is the one who should help make us feel confident and comfortable in our economy. So i take that comment back b/c he does have an indirect relationship with the flow of the markets. but its just the natural flow of the markets. manufacturing has left this country so we are a services oriented economy racking up debt. the debt will NEVER end under any President. EVER. Both sides create mass debt. In fact Clinton was one of the ONLY few presidents to have a balanced budget.

If we can do away with the Federal Reserve we may see change. but there is only so much an economy can grow until it collapse and becomes stagnant.

So in ending, in my opinion Obama has done nothing wrong or nothing illegal. has he made some decisions that were probably wrong, yeah, but all Presidents do. He came into office with the Biggest problems this country has ever faced (besides Lincoln and FDR) and we are already judging the man after only 11 months. again, i just don't see the lies or the manipulation, or better yet - i dont' see anything that Obama has done that any other president has NOT done before him.

i hope your frustration eases, as i hope the rest of the country does too. I have learned that by getting all hot and heavy and labeling someone nuts b/c they have a different opinion than mine gets me no where. and we see alot of that in this forum and the internet as a whole. we need to work together as there are more obstructionists than there are observists. there are more people who will just complain and make up accusations and flud the net with opinions but are not willing to provide and do what is necessary for the betterment of society as a whole. we rely all too much on politicians and the subjective media and never enough on good ole Scientists, engineers, doctors, teachers, let alone ourselves to change the world!

[edit on 12-12-2009 by herbii]



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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Are you talking about Bush or Obama? funny how those are the same exact reasons Bush should've been impeached for.
yet Obama was not the one to bring us to war, Bush was, Obama was not the one to double our deficit as he adopted it.. Bush was the one to start the stimulus package, which was further pushed thru congress when Obama came into Power. Also, the stimulus Package was mostly in the form of loans and banks have started paying back in the billions. And, the Government has already recieved Billions each month in Dividends alone (on top of loan payments) - the messed up part is, this money that's being paid back??? Is probably just gonna be printed out of thin air like the rest of our economy from the Federal Reserve!

I just don't see Obama being so corrupt. I just don't see the evidence. I'm not saying he isn't corrupt. I'm saying I just don't see it. like 9/11 - now there is alot of evidence - Obama extending the Neo-Con way in this world and committing treason?? Where is the proof? (besides some claims that he may have been born abroad).

If we are going to solve our problems - why NOT stop dwelling so much on our Presidents? We all know that they are the ones NOT in power but only seen as the ones in power. the ones who control this country is the media and corporate america and the politicians they have in their back pockets. we just blame the President (whoever he is) for all our problems when in fact his role is so minute in the grand scheme of things. its the ones behind the scenes who control everything. In my opinion, the President is just for Publicity..lol



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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My problem with Barack Obama is that he is doing the same thing that Bush was doing; escalating war, bailing out failed institutions that put or economy in the tank.

The right wing and the left wing are all wings of the same eagle.

"How can you stop the problem of inflation with inflation?" -Ron Paul

There is not transparency as promised, there is not chang. The current administration is doing the same thing as Bush, it's all the same agenda. The media puts out candidates and we're allowed to choose from the two. Everybody got swept in my the media coverage of an African American running for President after the republicans were in control when everything got messed up, and nobody wanted Hillary Clinton to be president.

"you're free america to do as we tell you!" -Bill Hicks

don't go to call me a racist. I'm not. My friends and family call me Mr. U.N. because I'm good friends with so many different etnicities. But I dono't think Mr. Obama is a socialist or communist.

The fool is a fascist just as much as Bush.

"Fascism should more approprialty called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and coprorate power." -Benito Mussolini



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Choiseul
Ah .. see I am still naive. I would think if a president is not doing a good job that you would have the ability to impeach him... not just because he did something obviously illegal.... If that is the main case for impeachment then that was my misunderstanding and I apologize.


impeachment is a serious thing.
it is outlined in the laws of the U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 4:


The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.


impeachment does not automatically mean removal from office; it is more like a trial rather than the actual conviction.
only two U.S. Presidents have ever been impeached and both were acquitted: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton.
it is not a remedy for mismanagement or poor judgment on the part of an official elected by the people.

perhaps what you are proposing is a recall election; however, this is not permitted on the federal level in the U.S.



posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by m khan
He has violated the Constitution. NLC 09 was a violation of the Constitution.


what is NLC 09?
and how did it violate the Constitution?



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:31 AM
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Didn't agree with the Nixon or Clinton impeachments, nor with the moves to impeach Bush, nor with any current impeachment efforts against Obama (who I'm no fan of, for what its worth).

If we get into a secenario where every sittting president is subjected to impeachment moves by the other party for this minor reason or that, it will only snarl up the government further. What was intended as a truly serious weapon to be used only in deeply exceptional cases (if at all) is at risk of just becoming another tiresome partisan tool, like fillibustering.

Of course, things are so bad with the govt by now thatthis may be like complaining about a mosquito bite when you have pancreatic cancer.

Nevertheless, impeachement is not a club to weilded lightly. If you will pardon the crudity of the analogy, it strikes me a bit like relying on abortion as one's only method of birth control.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 04:21 AM
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I said at the beginning that I sensed trouble if Obama became president. I live in the UK, where I am a natural citizen, but have family in the US. I can't help feeling that my first impressions were correct.

He and his administration have not lived up to their election campaign promises. I don't see the troops coming home from the UK and USA. Gordon Brown was all over Obama, so whatever, Obama does-no doubt, Brown will follow.

Neither of them are suitable for the positions, in which they find themselves. Both are inexperienced, and Brown should have left when Blair did.

I understand your worry about the administration over there. I can understand it clearly, when I see what is happening to other people over here. Our homelessness has increased three-fold and the rates have gone up so high that if you are on benefits you can't keep up with the water and utility payments, such as gas and electric. This is before you go and get food for your table.

It cost us over a £100 to feed myself and my husband for a month. Our social told us to help our friend out, who was waiting to hear about her benefits. So, we got shopping in for her. However, what is the world coming to when DWP asks those of us on benefit to help somebody, who is not receiving benefit and in need of help. Fortunately, we have managed to put things right for her. However, I can't get over DWP saying to use my benefits to compensate for the benefits that my friend wasn't getting and to top up her emergency payment.

So, if that is anything to go by, and Obama likes the way things work over here-I really fear for my American relations and friends, along with all other Americans, as to what is yet to come.

How come there isn't an impeachment on Obama. He has an African birth certificate. That would be like running for president on my UK birth certificate. I was told that I could not ever be president or vote in America, when I lived over there, as I was not born there. So, what makes him unique to be able to bypass the laws set down,as to the means to serve as president of the US. Maybe, I should move back over to the states and run as president. It seems it doesn't matter where you were born-you can run as president of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

As I said, regardless of his right to be president-he has not done anything positive, except to rub shoulders with other world leaders. Nothing has happened to improve health care over there and welfare benefits. I do monitor things over there via the internet, as like I said-I have people I care about over there.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 07:11 AM
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It does not matter to a degree who is in charge so long as they at least have the main interests of the people at heart.

The reason is because what we are facing in the next 20 years something akin to...uhhhh...kin to the Noahès Flood except on a socialéeconomic leval.

I believe we have two examples to look at so far as collapse.

Cuba

North Korea

Akthough the collapse of the USSR must be wrapped in to the fold.



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by whiteraven
I believe we have two examples to look at so far as collapse.

Cuba

North Korea

Akthough the collapse of the USSR must be wrapped in to the fold.


yeah, but those are/were COMMUNIST countries
the U.S. is a CAPITALIST republic



this thread is sorely lacking in political education

no offense to anyone, but PLEASE know what you're talking about before throwing out all these rash ideas



posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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i believe that the current president should be held to his word but since that is never going to happen then i would call for impeachment (but on what legal grounds????) and re-election to include the common man but since only the rich/popular politicians are ever elected to candidacy this will never happen.

Who can be elected: must be Natural born citizen and have lived in the U.S. for 14 years and be of 35 years of age, a Presidential candidate must have access to very large sums of money(this eliminates a strong majority of the people in the u.s).
Most citizens prefer to vote for people who have served in public office before.
The morals and ethics of Presidents are often carefully scrutinized.

a president should be a man OR woman of their word do not say it if they do not mean it. a president should not be afraid to do what they feel is right which they usually do and is likely misguided.

what i wish this country could do.......and what i will likely not do for many years to come.

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