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Zuni life, much like it was in the past, is still deeply religious and very different from that of other tribes. The Zuni gods are believed to reside in the lakes of Arizona and New Mexico . The chiefs and the shamans carry out ceremonies during religious festivals. Song and dance accompanies masked performances by the chiefs while the shamans pray to the gods for favors ranging from fertile soil to abundant amounts of rain. The shamans play an important role in the community as they are looked upon for guidance as well as knowledge and healing.
The Zuni people are, in a way, a mysterious tribe. The Zuni Reservation is isolated from the outside world which allows the people to go about their existence relatively unencumbered by modern western civilization. They still live a peaceful, deeply religious existence. The reliance on corn as a mainstay of their economy has been replaced, however, by the tourist trade in pottery and jewelry.
The Zuni are distinct in that they have managed to remain quite unaffected by outer influences. They still claim the same land they always lived on, an area about the size of Rhode Island. They also mainly reside in one city -- Zuni, New Mexico . Although there are Zuni Indians who live outside of the city and the general area, they are few and far between. The tribe has managed to remain intact due to the fact that they did not get involved in problems, conflicts, or wars that didn’t concern their own people. Remaining autonomous, they were relatively unaffected by the changes around them.
Link for all quotes: www.legendsofamerica.com...
The Zuni people, like other Pueblo Indians, are believed to be the descendents of the Ancient Puebloans who lived in the desert Southwest of New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado and Utah for a thousand years. Today the Zuni Pueblo, some 35 miles south of Gallup, New Mexico has a population of about 6,000. Archeological evidence shows they have lived in this location for about 1,300 years.
Originally posted by B.Morrison
because isn't that (1murder in300yrs) kind of the closest thing to a truely 'peaceful' society on this planet???
I thought it was a desirable thing...y'know?
By the way I'm circumcised and I wouldn't describe myself as a violent or particularly aggressive person.
So if you define murder as one Zuni killing another Zuni... yeah I can buy that claim... but if you define murder as one human killing another human with malice then your statement is erroneous...
Still it makes for an interesting theory...
I happen to be Jicarilla Apache
I think your presentation of statistics needs further thought when comparing the number of murders per unit time for a large population versus for a small population.
I don't think or kind OP can help you in your search for more (Real) info..
Perhaps if you had also posted a link or two
Originally posted by DaddyBare
reply to post by B.Morrison
I have to apologize if I was a bit snippy...
See we Natives tend to attract people like Robert who come hoping we have all the answers to all life's little mysteries... we don't, really we just come at the problem from a different angle a different perspective...
I'm sure their are many people who fit that description, however I think a man of 'books' and a man of 'life experience' are both equally equipped to understand the same lessons in life, but with polar opposite methods. I also think Robert probably isn't one of these 'folks'.
Some of these folks come with preconceived notions about who we are and what we hold sacred... but that is something that must be lived not studied...
Right now most Native people are pretty defencive when it comes to non tribal members making statements like Mister Roberts We just had that thing in AZ where a number of people were killed in that new age Sweat lodge... that man took our traditions without bothering to learn what they really are... Not something one drives a profit from, that's for sure...
please bear in mind he was giving a talk in a new york theatre to a fairly shallow bunch who were thinking probably more about getting their moneys worth than much else, I haven't read his books, but I assume he is a bit more even handed when he has the time to revise his words
When this guy makes that kind of generalized statement about the Zuni well it sends up a lot of warning flags...
Now here's the truth
if you really want to know us,
cool, come to New Mexico, wait until spring, its pretty cold here right now... come visit our Rez sit in on a drumming, maybe attend a blessing way, if you come in April we hold the PowWow in Albuquerque and we have the best dancers in the work show up for that!
What I'm saying is don't take someone's word, second hand...
Not when your always welcome to come learn for yourself... see were not so different you and I... Just leave your video cam at home... were not a freak show ya know... Frist round of fry bread is on me K? After that your buying
Originally posted by queenannie38
the native Americans are some of GOD's favorites, surely
Originally posted by Takka
By the way I'm circumcised and I wouldn't describe myself as a violent or particularly aggressive person .
After all its just a flap of skin
[edit on 10-12-2009 by Takka]
Originally posted by DaMod
reply to post by B.Morrison
Actually there is a scientifically feasible explanation to male circumcision. To protect from infection under the foreskin. Foreskin increases infection risk.
Originally posted by B.Morrison
To re-iterate, discussion regarding the Zuni tribe is welcome and encouraged, but I also seek discussion regarding matrist/patrist theory, and the 'variables' theory.
In the USA there are 12,000 new cases and 4,000 deaths from cervical cancer each year . Treatment of each case costs $20,000 to $40,000 (American Cancer Society figures). This works out at a total of $24 to $48 million. Then there is the social cost and devastation to individuals and families.
A number of studies have documented higher rates of cervical cancer in women who have had one or more male sexual partners who were uncircumcised. Whereas the earlier studies were somewhat equivocal the evidence from a recent large international study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, to be discussed later, now provides overwhelming evidence of the link between lack of male circumcision and cervical cancer in the female sexual partner.
A famous example relevant to this disease is Eva Peron, who died of cervical cancer at age 33 . She started out as a street waif who began having multiple sexual partners at an early age, working her way up the military command in Argentina, where virtually all men are uncircumcised. Cervical cancer is common in prostitutes, but rare in nuns (who take a vow of celibacy) .
The early studies had to be looked at critically to see to what extent cultural and other influences might be contributing within groups that have different circumcision practices. Of interest in studies conducted in India and Pakistan, premarital sex is uncommon in the various religious groups in these and surrounding countries, where in general Muslims are circumcised and Hindus are not.
In a study of 5000 cervical and 300 penile cancer cases in Madras between 1982 and 1990 the incidence was low amongst Muslim women, when compared with Hindu and Christian, and was not seen at all in Muslim men . In a case-control study of 1107 Indian women with cervical cancer, sex with uncircumcised men or those circumcised after the age of 1 year was reported in 1993 to be associated with a 4-fold higher risk of cervical cancer .
This figure was, moreover, obtained after controlling for factors such as age, age of first intercourse, and education. Another study published in 1993 concerning various types of cancer in the Valley of Kashmir concluded that universal male circumcision in the majority community was responsible for the low rate of cervical cancer compared with the rest of India .
In Israel, a 1994 report of 4 groups of women aged 17-60 found that Moshav residents with no gynaecological complaints had no HPV 16/18 and healthy Kibbutz residents had a 1.8% incidence . Amongst those who had a gynaecological complaint HPV 16/18 was found in 9% of Jewish and 12% of non-Jewish women. Thus the causative agent (high-risk HPV) can be found in Jewish women, where the lifestyle and contact with non-Jewish men (some of whom may be uncircumcised) would likely have been higher in the Kibbutz dwellers. The source of this (circumcised vs. uncircumcised partners) was not explored.
A study in Denmark that found 5-fold lower HPV in circumcised men concluded that ‘the female partners of circumcised men are less exposed to cervical cancer because these men are less likely to be infected with HPV’ .
So-called 'high-risk' HPV types 16, 18 and some rarer forms are responsible for virtually every case of cervical cancer [439, 596, 597]. These same high-risk HPVs also cause penile intra-epithelial neoplasia (PIN), which is the precursor to penile cancer and is the male equivalent of cervical intra-epithelial neoplasia (CIN), which is the precursor to cervical cancer. (These days ‘CIN’ is more often referred to as ‘squamous intra-epithelial lesion’ – SIL – which can be of high or low grade, thus ‘HSIL’ or ‘LSIL’.) In a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1987 it was found that women with cervical cancer were more likely to have partners with PIN .
A study in 1994 found that in women with CIN, PIN was present in the male partner in 93% of cases . This is consistent with the known sexual transmission of this cancer-causing virus. The abnormality (CIN / SIL) may progress to cancer or, more often, it will go away. Thus co-factors are suspected. Interestingly, smegma (the film of bacteria, secretions and other material under the foreskin), obtained from human and horse was shown to be capable of producing cervical cancer in mice in one study , but not in another . Differences in exposure time in each study could have contributed to this difference.
In 2002, a large, well-designed multinational study by the International Agency for Research on Cancer published in the New England Journal of Medicine has irrefutably implicated the foreskin in cervical cancer . This involved 1913 couples in 5 global locations in Europe, Asia and South America. Penile HPV was found in 20% of uncircumcised, but only 5% of circumcised men (odds ratio = 0.37). The women were more 5.6 times more likely to have cervical cancer if their partner was uncircumcised. This was seen in monogamous women whose male partner had had 6 or more sexual partners (adjusted odds ratio = 0.42), but circumcision was also protective in women whose partner had an intermediate sexual behavior risk index (odds ratio = 0.50).
Penile HPV infection was associated with a 4-fold increase in the risk of cervical HPV infection in the female partner, and cervical HPV infection was associated with a 77-fold increase in the risk of cervical cancer. In an accompanying editorial it was suggested that "reduction in risk among female partners of circumcised as compared with uncircumcised men may well be more substantial than reported" in this study .
It might be expected that skin-to-skin contact that does not extend to sexual intercourse with the uncircumcised penis could infect the woman. Indeed, in this study condom use provided only a slight protective effect – the difference in odds ratio between condom users (0.83) was actually not significantly different from non-users (0.67) .
Genital HPV types are highly infectious and can infect skin throughout the genital region. Interestingly, the uncircumcised men washed their genitals more often after intercourse, but the circumcised men had better penile hygiene, when examined by a physician. So why are uncircumcised men much more highly infected? One suggested reason was that the more delicate, easily-infected, mucosal lining of their foreskin is pulled back during intercourse, and so is wholly exposed to vaginal secretions of an infected woman, so infecting them, and increasing risk of infection to any future woman the uncircumcised man has sex with.
UNAIDS data from 117 developing countries show a cervical cancer incidence of 35 per 100,000 women per year in 51 countries with a low (80%) circumcision prevalence (P