Major Global Warming Denial Movement Linked Directly to ExxonMobil: PROOF

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posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by angrysniper
And all of those companies forced those scientist to artifically adjust values to back up their claims of anthropogenic climate change.

And all of those companies have been manipulating the climate with their weather machines to cool the planet, while claiming it is warming. Oh, and lets not forget their weather manipulation machines that control the sun, and the climates on mars, jupiter, europa, saturn, neptune, and uranus.


They've certainly fooled you...




posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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And there is also evidence that some of the biggest advocates for "green" energy are fossil fuel companies.



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 10:22 AM
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Intresting turn of events, but why would the Oil companies make any 'winnings' on this ?

Le us say the whole Co2 Warming thing gets overturned and forgotten, and Carbon tax gets taken away from the Gasoline prises, wouldnt it mean less money on them ?

Or would we be more since it would be cheaper ?

The Co2 fearmonger companies stands to cash in Major sums of money on putting Tax on each peoples breath, as we breath out Co2...

I hear they are going to stack and pack the Co2 in containers in the bottom af the Atlantic ocean, why Bob, Why? lets say they take all the Co2, and the sheeps cheers, weeks later there is no trees or oxygene...

Who are to say how much Co2 is enough, and if they didnt cut down all the trees, the co2 wouldnt have been a problem, maybe they are blaming us on thier hunger for wealth from the Tree slaughter in the rain forests ?

Im just ranting, just argued with some ars on a site here...



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather
Intresting turn of events, but why would the Oil companies make any 'winnings' on this ?

Le us say the whole Co2 Warming thing gets overturned and forgotten, and Carbon tax gets taken away from the Gasoline prises, wouldnt it mean less money on them ?

Or would we be more since it would be cheaper ?

The Co2 fearmonger companies stands to cash in Major sums of money on putting Tax on each peoples breath, as we breath out Co2...

I hear they are going to stack and pack the Co2 in containers in the bottom af the Atlantic ocean, why Bob, Why? lets say they take all the Co2, and the sheeps cheers, weeks later there is no trees or oxygene...

Who are to say how much Co2 is enough, and if they didnt cut down all the trees, the co2 wouldnt have been a problem, maybe they are blaming us on thier hunger for wealth from the Tree slaughter in the rain forests ?

Im just ranting, just argued with some ars on a site here...


The 'oil industry' are the ones PUSHING the anthropogenic global 'warming' theory, encouraging the silencing of dissenting scientists and encouraging the manipulation of data. They have EVERYTHING to gain from it, as well as the governments that institute the lie.


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posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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Let me see if I have this straight.

it's not OK for oil companies to fund research into climate change, but it IS OK for governments to fund research into climate change so they can tax us in the name of helping the planet.

See, this is so far behind the times, it's just not true.

First off, the name was changed from global warming to climate change because warming cannot be proven.

Secondly, you are aware of the Hadly CRU data manipulation and subsequent attempted cover up, yes?

You are aware that this is not the first time a "climate research" organisation has been caught fudging the figures?

You are aware that Jim Hansen of GISS owns shares in Al Gores carbon credit tradinfg company, and it is Jim Hansen who has been caught fiddling the figures on at least 2 occasions.

The CO2 monitoring stations placed downwind from active volcanoes?

The closing of temperature monitoring stations in Siberia?

The placement of temperature monitoring stations in places where there is a high albedo effect?

Why are all these climate change proponents so scared of a level playing field when it comes to research and debate?

Simple - because it's a scam - as the next 12 days will show when they unveil more carbon trading measures, more caps, more taxes, and more hot air which does nothing to protect the environment.

Climb down from the soapbox - my lifestyle is as energy conscious as it can possibly be, my appliances are energy efficient, and I don't drive a car.

So I don't appreciate some keyboard warrior without an inkling of what is really happening telling me I should turn my low energy PC off.
just so he/she can have a bit of a rant about something that's not even new news, and stroke their own ego by pretending they actually care about the planet.

[edit on 7/12/2009 by budski]



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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I was going to reply, but you did it for me. Kudos!

The sooner the sheeple realize that climate change is all about money, the better.

There was an article on the BBC News website about how sea levels will rise 4 ft or so due to Antarctic ice melting by 2100. The way the article read was as if this was devastating for the planet on the same scale as nuclear warfare.


Something no-one has raised is that since evidence has come to light that was validated by those involved as genuine that shows that the data was manipulated, the Governments and lobbyists (sorry I mean environmentalists) are still stood there saying that MMGW (oops - I mean climate change) is certain and the science is sound.

HOW ARE THEY GETTING AWAY WITH THIS????

The BBC are no long unbiased - in fact, it is widely known it seems from the CRU e-mails that the BBC is PRO-GW, and it has been reported by the Guardian in the UK that the BBC buried an article written by a Met Office worker specializing in climate who says that there is no evidence for warming over the last 11 years, and there might not be any for another 20 to 30 years.

This whole scandal is on a level never before seen, and I find it really quite disturbing that so many people can be duped in this way.


BBC News article on no warming:

news.bbc.co.uk...

Telegraph article on how the BBC article was effectively buried:

blogs.telegraph.co.uk...

[edit on 7-12-2009 by mirageofdeceit]



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by seethelight

Originally posted by angrysniper
And all of those companies forced those scientist to artifically adjust values to back up their claims of anthropogenic climate change.

And all of those companies have been manipulating the climate with their weather machines to cool the planet, while claiming it is warming. Oh, and lets not forget their weather manipulation machines that control the sun, and the climates on mars, jupiter, europa, saturn, neptune, and uranus.


They've certainly fooled you...


You do realize that the stuff about the 'weather machines' was sarcasm, right?



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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*facepalm*

The majority of the comments so far show exactly why none of you guys get it.

"it's all about the money!"

"the government's out to get me!"

"they want to tax us all to DEATH!"


You guys have such a ridiculously oversimplified view of how real conspiracies work and because of that none of you seem to be able to see the forest for the trees.

This is what makes you complete puppets to the real NWO. They don't need any new schemes to get your money - they already have you completely wrapped around their greasy fingers.

The Global Warming issue is a huge threat to THEIR sovereignty, not yours.

Why?

Because it gives YOU a chance to finally figure it out. You think you have it all figured out right now but the truth is you are being manipulated into sticking your head that much further into the sand. I'm not here to antagonize you over this - I want to help you pull it out.

But you guys seriously have to step down from your soapboxes for a minute, and stop letting all your fear and frustration cloud your better judgement. This is how they manipulate you, and right now it's working like a charm.


Anyway I'm tired of repeating myself, so please - if you really want to figure it out - just take a few minutes to read this thread and see how they already help themselves to your money everyday.

Then come back and talk to me and we can have a proper discussion rather than spewing the same old propaganda back and forth.



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by mc_squared

Originally posted by angrysniper
Oh, and lets not forget their weather manipulation machines that control the sun, and the climates on mars, jupiter, europa, saturn, neptune, and uranus.


The whole "The Sun is responsible for Global Warming" is one of the junk pieces of science that Exxon propagandists are lobbying. Read the article.


And why would the sun not influance temperatures on earth or other planets?

Why is the sun heating planets "junk science"?
Isn't heating what the sun does??

Is Exxon behind this too?? --
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Oh and explain this one --

Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar wedges
Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.
www.telegraph.co.uk... l



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[edit on 7-12-2009 by Orion_grey]



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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I'll just comment on a few things I often hear the deniers spout off about in every friggin thread on the net.

"Al Gore is the devil...", "They just want to tax us", "AL GORE IS SPREADING PROPAGANDAZ!@!!!!11!!", "We'll have to pay for this mess"

Can you not see that Al Gore is being used as a common villain and pawn in the propaganda machine by oil companies? This is a common propaganda strategy.

Furthermore, it is a logical fallacy that, "Because they are taxing us, global warming is a hoax to get money." Did Al Gore invent Global Warming? It is a completely separate issue from whether man made global warming exists, and I don't need to see his name in every global warming thread!

They get money...either way...if they keep people arguing, they won't change the power structure completely. Instead it'll be like American politics - Democrat vs. Republican - the illusion of choice.

"So and so place is cold, or it snowed here...so where is global warming?"

You people don't grasp the basics of "Global Warming". First, scientists probably started calling it "Climate Change" because of the moronic tendency to assume that if the world is "warming", that means where they live must be warm at this current time.

I live in a Canadian city, and we didn't have any bad snow falls or weather until the last couple weeks....which is late. Does that mean global warming is real? No...that has nothing to do with anything. Every year is obviously different. If anything, it is just causing changes to our normal weather cycles.

You should instead look at things on a broad scale. What is happening to species and the planet as a whole. If a species starts migrating earlier or later...that indicates something changing. If a polar ice cap is melting, that indicates something. Look at changes to cycles of ecosystems. You can't look at something happening locally and think it correlates directly. For all you know it is snowing because of global warming.


"CO2 is good for plants, therefore it is good!"

Please. Don't even.

The world started with a high abundance of CO2. Plant life (algae, etc) formed. It converted CO2 to oxygen. Yes, plants thrive in CO2 (at the right amount). We don't.

Those plants, and animals, etc, etc. died...layers and layers of CO2 went into the ground over many many years. We are pumping it back into the atmosphere...you know, like to how the planet was before oxygen breathing species existed (we'll die before it ever gets that far).

We will die. Plants will thrive. We need balance for both CO2 and oxygen breathers to exist together.



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Nickmare


Can you not see that Al Gore is being used as a common villain and pawn in the propaganda machine by oil companies? This is a common propaganda strategy.



Well, actually, that is exactly what Al Gore claims, that he in fact is the driving force that will save the planet - ooh and before that he was a big fan of global cooling.
And thanks to policies he pushed through before they were ready, a few million people in the 3rd world died.

He hates the tobacco companied but owns a tobacco plantation.

he has illegally raised funds on many occasions.

Oh, and BTW a Gore family property that has been mined for zinc and germanium for decades. The Vice-President and his dad, the late Senator Albert Gore, Sr., obtained the land in a very favorable deal with the late Armand Hammer of Occidental Petroleum. Gore, Sr. was heavily supported by Hammer financially, and carried his water in the U.S. Senate.
Mining pollutes - but not this mine according to the WSJ who say the polluting of the local drinking water is "actually very minor"


He also claims to have invented the internet.

Are you starting to get the picture yet?

The common propaganda strategy, my friend, is the one you have swallowed.

[edit on 7/12/2009 by budski]



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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Well said budski!
Let see whos making the big money on man made global warming?

Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe
www.usatoday.com...

Al Gore, the world's first carbon billionaire?
www.dailyfinance.com...

Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it
www.canadafreepress.com...

Court Identifies Eleven Inaccuracies in Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’
newsbusters.org...

-Orion

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posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Well since ExxonMobil is proof of funding the "Global Warming Denial Movement" then I guess we can blame Shell for funding the "Global Warming Alarmist Movement"

Oh yea, this is Proof

Link to e-mail


From: "Mick Kelly"
To: m.hulme@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Shell
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:31:00 +0100
Reply-to: m.kelly@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: t.oriordan@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, t.o'riordan@xxxxxxxxx.xxx

Mike
Had a very good meeting with Shell yesterday. Only a minor part of the
agenda, but I expect they will accept an invitation to act as a strategic
partner and will contribute to a studentship fund though under certain
conditions. I now have to wait for the top-level soundings at their end
after the meeting to result in a response. We, however, have to discuss
asap what a strategic partnership means, what a studentship fund is, etc,
etc. By email? In person?
I hear that Shell's name came up at the TC meeting. I'm ccing this to Tim
who I think was involved in that discussion so all concerned know not to
make an independent approach at this stage without consulting me!
I'm talking to Shell International's climate change team but this approach
will do equally for the new foundation as it's only one step or so off
Shell's equivalent of a board level. I do know a little about the Fdn and
what kind of projects they are looking for. It could be relevant for the
new building, incidentally, though opinions are mixed as to whether it's
within the remit.
Regards
Mick


Wow the Warmmongers looking to Shell Oil for funding? Say it isn't so....


I read a new word the other day to call the Warmist, they are now called Climanvelagist.

[edit on 7-12-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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I'm sorry. But I see your arguments as proving my point.

Al Gore knows exactly what he is doing.

And once again, how does this even make a difference in whether man made global warming exists?


I never swallowed any pill. I don't like Al Gore.

I'll edit to add...I don't think you people realize that while he makes money off going green, he is also the proud owner of oil stocks.

Divide and conquer *sigh*

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posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by Nickmare
reply to post by budski
 


I'm sorry. But I see your arguments as proving my point.

Al Gore knows exactly what he is doing.

And once again, how does this even make a difference in whether man made global warming exists?


I never swallowed any pill. I don't like Al Gore

[edit on 7-12-2009 by Nickmare]


Hmmm - did you read my posts?

It seems not.

Once again - Global warming does not exist - it is now called climate change

Why - because the "warming" theory was debunked so they had to find something nice and ambiguous.

Of course Al Gore knows what he's doing, but what he isn't doing is being used as a stooge by oil companies - have another look at the OP, that's what the thread is about allegedly, oil company manipulation.
Oh yeah, all those oil company emails about doctoring figures that were recently released


Yeah right, big news, Al Gore owns oil stocks - have you any idea how old that info is??? he owns a lot of other stocks as well.

He is a typical politician - don't do as I do, do as I say.

But you try and dress all this old stuff up as something new and then preach about it as if it's something that people wouldn't know without your intervention?

have a look through threads, using the search function and the words "al gore" - all this is old news.

the problem is that despite him "inventing the internet" he seems to have forgotten how it works, and that people aren't as stupid as he thinks they are.

[edit on 7/12/2009 by budski]



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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I'm sorry? You cease to make sense.

They call it climate change now because global warming was debunked? I'm sorry, but that is blatantly untrue.

Al Gore owns oil stocks, and is also wanting to tax carbon credits. So obviously in your mind, this means man made global warming doesn't exist how?

Who cares if it is old information as long as it is pertinent?

I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who is so passionately brainwashed.

I am open minded, and I haven't made my mind up about global warming. I see how people are fighting for global warming, even though they don't understand.

What you don't see is you are just doing the exact same thing.


And BTW, Al Gore isn't a stooge. He is using the game being played by oil companies/government to make cash, cause he knows whats going down!

[edit on 7-12-2009 by Nickmare]



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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Sorry, but temperatures have not gone anywhere except DOWN since 1998.

As you seem to have a problem comprehending what I am actually posting, I'll leave you to whatever it is you do.

Have a nice day.



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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You can find anything on the internet. Doesn't make it true.

For instance, temperatures going down since 1998. That was shown to be cherry picked values.

Is AGW debunked now? Because data was manipulated?

Stop making snide remarks, and bordering on making personal insults. It doesn't help your case and makes you look bad.

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posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Nickmare
reply to post by budski
 


You can find anything on the internet. Doesn't make it true.

For instance, temperatures going down since 1998. That was shown to be cherry picked values.

Is AGW debunked now? Because data was manipulated?

Stop making snide remarks, and bordering on making personal insults. It doesn't help your case and makes you look bad.

[edit on 7-12-2009 by Nickmare]


WOW, how ignorant is that?

OK, first, if you find my posts insulting, use the alert function.

Let me get this straight, manipulated data means it has been proven?
Because that's what they've been telling us for years now.
AGW doesn't exist, nor does MMGW or whatever snappy acronym they are currently using, because there has been no man made warming overall.

The data since 1998 was not cherrypicked - try again.

Tell me about the medievil warm period, or the roman warm period - CO2 concentrations were higher, temperatures were higher, and yet the planet didn't die!
Instead there were vineyards near Moscow.

guess what happened then?
The little ice age...
Which just happened to coincide with a period of low sunspot activity.

Any temperature anomolies are cyclical in nature and driven by solar activity.

CO2 does not drive temperatures, temperatures drive CO2 levels - proven time and again.

Really, I'd prefer it if you'd just use the search function, because this is just showing your complete lack of knowledge, and frankly you have brought nothing to the table except ignorance.

Have a nice day.



posted on Dec, 7 2009 @ 04:24 PM
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I was just trying to give you a tip on not coming across as arrogant.

I know what a search function is. I am a computer programmer, and I could write the code behind this website. The fact that people still use this as an argument in debates is humorous. As if searching through the hundreds upon thousands of threads on global warming (that are pretty much duplicates as threads found on other forums, while slightly more absurd and non-factual here) is going to prove to me global warming is a fraud?

And I don't think you picked up on the fact that I was making a joke about the recently hacked emails and how they "manipulated" data and how it was absurd to think that anything is debunked because something was manipulated. All it means is in this one case, something was manipulated.

Get a grip. Read something about statistics and realize how easy it is to manipulate the data for or against global warming.

Your arguments against global warming are laughable and typical...

I am not going to argue for global warming, because I don't know enough about the science. And I know more then the average person.

You have convinced me you don't know enough to deny it as well.





 
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