The Future Is Coming 2: Nanotechnology

reply to post by psychederic


Nano-particles are basically extremely small dust particles. Yes it is a carcinogen. However, that is NOT organized nano-technology. A nano-particle is going to float around in your bloodstream in an unintelligent manner, and get attached to something.

These nano-robots, on the other hand, like the artificial red blood cells will be intelligent machines with "arms and legs" among other things. We will program into these machines, the logic to basically not be a nuisance to the body, in any way.

also I find your train of though scary. What is human, well as far as I know, the only difference between us and animals is self consciousness and the ability to make tools to better our environment. That's what we have been doing the last 100,000 years. To stop where we are now and stagnate is ludicrous at best. The technology represented here has the ability to completely redefine the world in a positive way.

REMEMBER this is not at all about losing our humanity, its only about enhancing it!

I certainly hope to hear more about the Grey Goo in the future (not too distant future), I hope they are working on it as we speak. Any further info, development, progress would be great. I'll be asking google shortly.

What will nanotech do as far as bodybuilding?

Im talking about people who are bodybuilders... Could these tiny machines be used to tear down, then repair new muscles all the while building larger muscles without the individual touching a single weight?

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well there is a scientist just now who would use nano tech to replace the chemical at the start of DNA strands , that determines the number of times a cell can divide , by continually replacing this chemical the cell can divide infinitely , meaning your cells would never die !

using nano machines this coulde be possible!

read

eric k drexler - machines of creation

reply to post by VonDoomen


please use the precautionary principle, or you will be responsible.

ANimals have consciouness and self consciouness.

Nothing give you the right to destroy yourself and humanity, ressources, and the future

Nothing : just stupidity.

There are problem in the notion of "robot/cyborg/etc race" , do you understand ? A robot doesn't need love, this is social, totaly human, a robot just need "conformism" and entropy. There a problem also because of a "conformism", in case of catastroph : it can destroy every robots life : because they are quite the same. ( this is different for human)

And technology means control (for the elite not for you) then no more freedom : we are robots, and we will be robots in their society.

Have you just watch history , or are you blind , sorry : there are facts.

What are the concequences of television, car, pollution, factory, stress, computer : in long (long) term , in our culture, in our bodies, in our minds.

YOU DON'T KNOW : AND NOBODY knowq , and they don't care. ( even if they allready are slaves robots, they think they are free, and they think this is right place for them : what a perfect world ! )

Human race just react to concequences ( they try something , and after a long period they think about it) : they need to predict now : if they want to survive !

WE CANNOT TRY ALL THE STUPID TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN BE BUILT : WE NEED THE INTELLIGENCE TO SAY NO ! NO THIS TECHNOLOGIES DOES NEED A TRY : BECAUSE I SEE WHAT FUTURE IT WILL CREATE.

We are the technology we use.

please use the precautionary principle, or you will be responsible.

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Nanorobot is not for now :

but this :
Nano gel stops bleeding 'in 15 seconds'

Bone regeneration using hyaluronic acid-based hydrogel with bone morphogenic protein-2 and human mesenchymal stem cells

I can't find the link: but there was news two month ago : they find the chemical substance (that the scientist don't know) of what regenerate the body in young people , ( and old people doesn't have it ).

In fact we doesn't need nanorobot : nanogel will do the same, and this is biologic

Do you se no moral problem of being immortal ? NO ? Really ?

OK, but do you understand what it means ? You cannot have childs, because of overpopulation or this need be controlled by the state.

You will face the problem of no-evolution. Evolution is what saves physically the being, because they can face any problem, appearing statistically. But evolution means death for the individuals.

SImple logic.

You see : we are not the life, the genetic in us is what really lives. We reproduce because our genetic and for our genetic, not for us.

If you simplify the scheme : and you place the "individual" as the real lifes : there are no protection for their lifes, and the life itself is in danger.

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this is a great thread, s+f for it,

it is mindboggling to think what we CAN DO, right now, that we know! lol

on the other hand, everyone over 20 is toast if you add it up. (all the obvious) to alot anyway. breeding population and all that.

hopefully we won't go to the darkside with this nano tech.
i am not making fun or being an alarmist or sarcastic but this tech has major implications for us, i agree.

every suggestion or idea here could be done by this.
from botox to goo. human?

yeaah, we can manipulate atoms.
"things got so much easier when scientists invented magic"
marge simpson

Freedom, freedom freedom.

Act always so as to increase the number of choices.

THis is entropy...

And this is totally different world view : to a system controlled by some. Where there is such control there are no freedom.

What i mean : do you want to create a class society ?

You know those folks, the "grey's" : who are said to be genitically modified, the worker class if you want : and they even don't understand what is their freedom.

Do you want to create those sort of folks, because of the "world view" in our society ? ( the patriarcal, right wing psychology, totalitarian , autoritarian, world view wich means control over other people )

Do they need "self consciousness" ?

No, they don't, they are ants robots.

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Hey havent you ever considered that technological advances maybe a form of human evolution , as humans are now the dominant biological life form on the planet we have no competition with other animals or biological entities , therefore we are forced to compete with each other , and in competition our scientists strive to create technology which is better than the next scientist , without the need to kill each other , we compete on a technological level.

So maybe our evolution is through technology and not in a physical / biological sense.

If humans were to create the human cyborg and ultimately create immortal bi / cyborgs who will never die , then effectively we have mastered evolution

Originally posted by VonDoomen
2. HEALTH and MEDICINE

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/66bf0c1ce14b.jpg[/atsimg]
Nanobot replacing a neuron - www.youtube.com...

'All science is a double edged sword'.

I'm excited by all of this too. Except after many years of deep focus and thought on thsi issue, I'm excited more negatively by these prospects, as life is already pretty damn good (when we're not being plundered by the elite economically), yet even the staunchest Transhumanist / nanotech advocates admit that elites and governments will be able to dose our drinking water with mind control nanobots without our knowledge. I have pretty much all of them in print and even in video admitting to this.

What is the good stuff you listed worth, when we face becoming the Borg?

Adn no discussion of nanotechnology benefits vs. risks would be complete without a mention of the Gray Goo Scenario:

en.wikipedia.org...


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No, it is a choice in the future evolution.

A choice.

evolution is a choice : it is not something mandatory.

If you think it is mandatory : there is no choice

And you are controled, or brain washed

And you don't answer my question about the concequences.

THIS IS STRANGE !

US critisize COMMUNIST AND SOCIALIST COUNTRY : but a technological society is a form of "communism".

So take care of your technological libido. The are doctors for this psychological illness if you want

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Originally posted by semperfoo
What will nanotech do as far as bodybuilding?

Im talking about people who are bodybuilders... Could these tiny machines be used to tear down, then repair new muscles all the while building larger muscles without the individual touching a single weight?

Nanotech augmentation is a subset of Transhumanist augmentation. According to them, these advances will provide the power for those willing and able to exceed those who arent in both physical and cognitive scopes. Meaning, you might be stronger and smarter than people without upgrades, which will make many people obsolete, so those unable to afford it (nevermind those unwilling) will be left in the dust. But I guess that entire idea is the jist of bodybuilding 'results' anyways. I'll keep that concept in mind in future ponderings of thsi subject.

Whats sad about these future tech's is that the actual good parts of them will be less available to the masses as we've been plundered worldwide. I was arguing over a year ago that the reason the global economy 'had to be' plundered was to keep the masses from being able to afford these 'god' technologies.

But back on the obsolete issue, in Liberatarian philosophy, which Transhumanists like to attempt co-opt to further their arguments, when the 'rights' you seek limit the rights of others, they become crimes. And thats on the personal side, nevermind the government / elitist policy side.

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A human brain is "evolutive" by itself : INTELLIGENCE : it depends on the learning of information, and learning schemes in order to understand.

That 's cool you can control a computer with you brain, you can learn a lot of thing directly : that is all.

I make those thing not directly with a screen and my eyes ! woooh.

If you become uploaded robots : ie they define what you have to learn : they define your soul : and you don't have freedom.

COOOOOL.

THinks about the risks : not just the good part of the technology

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I have been following the nano movement for about 12 years now, was a active member of nanodot.org and foresight.org for ages.

Ultimately, the hopes and dreams are high, but the progress is exceptionally slow.

Will there be assembler tech in the way that Drexler speaks of it on Engines of Creation (you can read the book online)? Yes, but not anytime soon...not even remotely soon.

Such assembler tech would basically destroy every single economy globally, disrupt all governments, etc...it would be a event changing game. The overnight progress of such an event would be like 10 million years of progress in a year (indefinate lifespan, unlimited resources, mentally controlling your environment...hell, you wouldnt even need a body)...we would go from a type 0.5 civilization to a type 5 almost overnight.

So, will this be accomplished in my life? no...nor the babies today, or their babies...if such tech was invented, it would be suppressed without a doubt fully and completely by any and everyone...its basically the godstone and the last tech development we will ever make...the end point of our progress as toolbuilders.

It is so profound, that people look upon it as a religion..from the singularity, to the nanoage (the last age of man)...and you know how religions works out...it never happens, but people become enraptured with the what if and hope aspect of it, ignoring the logic (in this case, tptb would never let such tech out)

look for the most tiny aspects of nanotech being released in our lifetimes (metamaterials, quasicrystals, biomedical aspects, etc...) but try not to become too hopeful of the diamond age coming anytime soon.

Originally posted by psychederic
reply to post by VonDoomen

 

please use the precautionary principle, or you will be responsible.

ANimals have consciouness and self consciouness.

Nothing give you the right to destroy yourself and humanity, ressources, and the future

Nothing : just stupidity.

There are problem in the notion of "robot/cyborg/etc race" , do you understand ? A robot doesn't need love, this is social, totaly human, a robot just need "conformism" and entropy. There a problem also because of a "conformism", in case of catastroph : it can destroy every robots life : because they are quite the same. ( this is different for human)

And technology means control (for the elite not for you) then no more freedom : we are robots, and we will be robots in their society.

Have you just watch history , or are you blind , sorry : there are facts.

What are the concequences of television, car, pollution, factory, stress, computer : in long (long) term , in our culture, in our bodies, in our minds.

YOU DON'T KNOW : AND NOBODY knowq , and they don't care. ( even if they allready are slaves robots, they think they are free, and they think this is right place for them : what a perfect world ! )

Human race just react to concequences ( they try something , and after a long period they think about it) : they need to predict now : if they want to survive !

WE CANNOT TRY ALL THE STUPID TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN BE BUILT : WE NEED THE INTELLIGENCE TO SAY NO ! NO THIS TECHNOLOGIES DOES NEED A TRY : BECAUSE I SEE WHAT FUTURE IT WILL CREATE.

We are the technology we use.

please use the precautionary principle, or you will be responsible.

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Im not sure how to reply to this post. For starters I think you need to learn to deal with the future. It is comng wether you like it or not. Also, I will be no more responsible for the creation of nanosystems anymore than you will be. Also, how do you know what a “cyborg” would need and feel. IMO, the biggest different will be having a computer/vision overlay, similar to the terminators. It will be no different than owning a laptop, except its in your body, and you have full time access to it whenever you want. On top of that you would have access to all the knowledge of humanity at your fingertips. It wouldn’t turn us into the “borgs” we see on star trek. So to top it off, I don’t see a reason to keep arguing with you. You have your mind made up and you want to be left behind! that’s your choice. I, however, will choose to see how far and crazy my life will get J

reply to post by sapien82


see my first thread in this series-
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and you will find that indeed your right. This is just the next step of evolution.

Evolution really is all about information systems becoming better and better.

reply to post by psychederic


Your right and wrong in this post. Yes this technology means we could live much longer lives. However, once we reach the space age, we're going to need LOTS more people for when we move out into other planets. On top of this, really, we wants to live forever? We will always have the choice to "unplug" ourselves so to speak. I think after 5000 years, It would feel good for a "do-over".

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I highly agree with most of your post.
These technologies will completely redefine the world.

And this is really why I wanted to make this thread and bring more exposure to this technology. People need to know its a very powerful thing. It could be used for great good and great evil. This technology could be used to completely fix humanities problems. So people need to know this on a large scale, and push for it to go in this direction.

Also, what good is a fake economy when we have the ability to create everything we need? Its really hard to talk about this b/c the implications of this technology are so strange and vast compared to our view of the world right now.
But the way I see it is,, we're in this for the all or nothing, either we're going to completely destroy ourself or we're going to band together and start working together. I honestly believe that all intelligent species come to this point when they are on the verge of becoming a space faring civilization. We either destroy ourselves by being stupid and malicious, thus preventing a bad species from reaching space, Or we grow up, team together, and get to space in a responsible and peaceful manner.

reply to post by semperfoo


yes this is highly possible! It will raise certain ethical questions for the olympic committee thats for sure! but yea, we would have designer bodies.

reply to post by VonDoomen


5000 years of freedom ? Or as a slave robots ?

people will not unplug : they will not see the point of death.

"Also, what good is a fake economy when we have the ability to create everything we need?"

this allready a fake economy.

The energy to create food , and industrial stuff in term of economy ( and work ) : is nothing.

80% of people don't have real jobs : because there is no need.

We should separate the economy that should growth economically/technologically from the market that is now industrialised and at its best rate, its structural limithe.

And yes we can use capitalism ( this is a good system for develloping an economy ): but for food ( and other things) , we should create a separate economy.

"We either destroy ourselves by being stupid and malicious, thus preventing a bad species from reaching space, Or we grow up, team together, and get to space in a responsible and peaceful manner."

Or they kill us if they think we are bad, and we are becoming dangerous for them, these folks, in their point of view. But if they are bad in our point of view , should we become like them in order to survive ? ... .... .....

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