Is your drinking water safe? Answer: NO.

If you read the note that I posted on BPA (BisoPhenal-A), it comes from plastics which come into contact with our food and water.

A few good examples are Bottled Water, canned foods and register receipts:

BPA in Canned Food
BPA in Bottled Water
BPA on printed receipts
BPA in Soft Drinks



[edit on 12/6/2009 by Choronzon]

Thanks for posting, there is a lot of great info there. I constantly tell friends and family about it, some listen and most don't. I have blogged about it and people just don't believe it especially about how bad Fluoride is for you.

Here is some info on Fluoride:

The origin of adding fluoride to water supplies occurred in 1939 when industry commissioned a biochemist to find a use for the large amount of sodium fluoride wastes produced by aluminum pot lines. Big industry pressured state and local governments to fluoridate their water supplies and the public was given the sales pitch that fluoride would prevent tooth decay.

Points:

Sodium fluoride is a by-product of aluminum refinery.
From 1981 to 1986, 10,000 people died from AIDS. During that same five-year period, 250,000 people died from fluoride poisoning
Fluoride will eat through a quarter-inch steel plate in less than three minutes.
has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease
Inhibits production of the hormone melatonin
Approximately 10% of laboratory animals show retinal damage from normal levels of fluoriode exposure
Is a carcinogen
50% of ingested fluoride is stored in the bones. A lifetime exposure can lead to skeletal fluorosis, with similar initial symptoms to arthritis, which has increased markedly in recent years
Sodium fluoride is also used to kill rodents and insects

Lol if the drinking water in west isn't safe then what would call the drinking water in the middle east, asia and 3rd world countries??!

[edit on 6-12-2009 by Ufokrazy]

In relations to all the comments on chemicals in plastics, which is the lesser of 2 evils?
Are we better off to drink water from the tap or the bottle?

At home i buy my water in a cask and fill glass bottles and store in the fridge.
But when i am not at home I buy bottled water.
Am i better off to drink ..say a can of lemonade? or bottled water?
If i can i will get a can / glass bottle of mineral water, but if i don't have that option is a can of soft drink better then bottled water???



[edit on 6/12/2009 by wycky] Typo's

[edit on 6/12/2009 by wycky]

Originally posted by wycky
In relations to all the comments on chemicals in plastics, which is the lesser of 2 evils?
Are we better off to drink water from the tap all the bottle?

At home i buy my water in a cask and fill glass bottles and store in the fridge.
But when i am not at home I buy bottled water.
Am i better off to drink ..say a can of lemonade? or bottled water?
If i can i will get a can / glass bottle of mineral water, but if i don't have that option is a can of soft drink better then bottled water???
[edit on 6/12/2009 by wycky]

It's not a matter of which is the lesser evil, they are both equally as bad, albeit in different manners....prostate/breast cancer for BPA vs. alzheimers/osteoperosis for flouride.

All that is needed is to purchase a RO/DI (Reverse Osmosis / De-Ionization) water filter, or a water distiller. Both are equally as good for producing unlimited safe drinking water.

And most RO/DI vendors also provide a Remineralization/Calcification addon for their systems to negate the claim that: 'Soft-Water' is not good for you because it doesn't contain any minerals and is highly acidic (although providing no evidence for this claim).

Reverse osmosis is not good for you either, removes all the minerals.. Plus, imagine your immune system if you completely cut tap water out? You'd get sick after using public washrooms..

Originally posted by Kevman89
Reverse osmosis is not good for you either, removes all the minerals..

Hmmm....must not have read where i posted about the re-mineralization/calcification addon, right directly above your post....

Plus, imagine your immune system if you completely cut tap water out? You'd get sick after using public washrooms..

It's not about germs its about toxic chemicals being ingested from drinking it...

[edit on 12/6/2009 by Choronzon]

This is a letter from a Florida man who spent 21 years working in the phosphoric acid industry, where most of the fluoride (aka toxic waste FSA and SFS) is produced. If this doesn't make you think twice about fluoride, then nothing will:

Dangers of Fluoridating Drinking Water with fluorosilic acid (H2SiF6) and sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6)

Author: Gary O. Pittman
Rt. 1, Box 85-A
Jennings, FL 32053
Tel: 904-792-3975
email: [email protected]
November 18, 1998

Dear Congressman or Senator:

I worked in the phosphate fertilizer industry for about twenty-one years. My last position was supervising one-third of the evaporation and purification processes at the Occidental Chemical Corporation, Swift Creek Chemical Complex. That position required a thorough knowledge of almost every facet of producing phosphoric acid for fertilizer and animal feed supplement.

Today, I am disabled and suffer from toxic brain syndrome, emphysema, heart arrhythmias and other health problems due to chemical exposure. Many of my co-workers also suffer from similar illnesses. Of the eight original people in my support group, two are dead from cancers. One man had lung and liver cancer, and the second man died from myeloma (bone cancer); neither man had ever smoked and seldom, if ever, consumed alcoholic beverages according to their wives and friends. Another man has leukemia which is presently in remission. Many of my co-workers have developed brain cancers/tumors and stomach cancers. Myopathy, arthritis, liver dysfunctions, lung problems, symptoms of toxic brain syndrome, etc. are also very common health problems among my co-workers and myself. Toxic brain syndrome and heart problems seem to be the most common problems among the workers. Hamilton County also has the highest rate of cancer in Florida due to pollution from phosphoric acid manufacturing.

The doctors at Shands Hospital, Gainesville, FL (specializing in cancer research and treatment) said that the type of lung and liver cancer one man died from were unidentifiable; they had never seen it before.

You might say that I should be contacting my own U.S. Representative and Senator because this is a regional problem, and it is not in your back yard. However, this is not the case. We were exposed to the same chemicals that the US EPA and U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend as fluoridation agents to fluoridate the drinking water for over 100,000,000 people. It is likely that your constituents are consuming the pollution, and you might be drinking it because Washington, D.C. is fluoridated.

Over two-thirds of the communities in the United States use fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) or sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6) to fluoridate drinking water. Neither the US EPA nor U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can provide one safety study proving the product is safe for long-term, low-level consumption. Not one clinical study with animal models has ever been done with the products.

Both fluorosilicic acid (FSA) and sodium fluorosilicate (SFS) are derived from pollution scrubbing operations from phosphoric acid production. The pollution scrubber liquor is a unique product derived from a specific process with unique toxicological characteristics. The presence of chlorides, amines, diesel fuel, kerosene, sulfides, reagents, metals (including arsenic, lead, aluminum, uranium-238 and its decay rate products, etc.), phosphorus and other toxic reactants create a specific product in which FSA is the active ingredient. FSA only comprises about 23% of the total pollution concentrate. It is a highly corrosive acid which can react with most organic and inorganic substances to form many different complexes and possibly very toxic fluorides. I state again, not one safety study has been done with these particular products.

...and

Interestingly, all the people who say this product is "safe" have no concept of how it is produced. They cannot produce one safety study using either FSA or SFS from the manufacture of phosphoric acid. However, all responsible Federal agencies say it is safe without any data to back up the statement (see EPA Fluoride: Regulatory Fact Sheet).

I know what I have shared with you goes against the grain of many dentists and doctors, and the Federal agencies promoting drinking water fluoridation. But I was employed in the production of phosphoric acid for twenty-­one years. I worked in about every position and in every aspect of production from the analytical laboratory to pilot experimental projects, and my last position was supervising one-third of the Occidental Swift Creek Chemical Complex. I can assure you the FSA and SFS used to fluoridate drinking water contains much more than "fluoride" as EPA/CDC would have you believe.

For every 6,800 gallons of FSA, 5,800 gallons is toxic pollution (cost effective means to dump pollution). If a study were to be done with the actual product, I am sure the results would be terrifying. I believe my co-workers and myself are examples of what clinical research will produce in animals.

I would ask you to look into this situation, not so much for myself, because I am aware of what has caused my health problems, but for the people and the unborn children who will be poisoned from these toxic products being "dumped" into the water.

www.nearsightedness.org...


[edit on 7-12-2009 by GoldenFleece]

i got so bad i had heartburn like all the time from whatever was in the tap water. i drink more water than an average person i think my body just uses it alot less efficiently so if i couldnt drink from the tap it was a problem.

i got a water distiller that distills the water into steam and then the steam drops into the water jar. completely distilled. i dont get heartburn anymore, and i wish there was a way for you all to see the crap that is left in there. its like some sort of black oil looking stuff that smells like acid.

the smell alone will make you sick if you get a whiff of it.
nasty putrid chemicals, but i have no idea what type of floride it is.

also that argument about leached out minerals is bunk disinfo. just eat some fresh vegtables and fruit and you more than make up for whatever the distilled water removes.

certainly better than drinking that poison flouride sludge.

Funny that you mentioned that, I started work at a Walgreens recently in the photolab. While I was going through training there was a segment about development chemicals and silver runoff, we dispose of it by dumping it in the city water filtration system...oh boy.

Originally posted by Choronzon

Originally posted by wycky
In relations to all the comments on chemicals in plastics, which is the lesser of 2 evils?
Are we better off to drink water from the tap all the bottle?

At home i buy my water in a cask and fill glass bottles and store in the fridge.
But when i am not at home I buy bottled water.
Am i better off to drink ..say a can of lemonade? or bottled water?
If i can i will get a can / glass bottle of mineral water, but if i don't have that option is a can of soft drink better then bottled water???
[edit on 6/12/2009 by wycky]

It's not a matter of which is the lesser evil, they are both equally as bad, albeit in different manners....prostate/breast cancer for BPA vs. alzheimers/osteoperosis for flouride.

All that is needed is to purchase a RO/DI (Reverse Osmosis / De-Ionization) water filter, or a water distiller. Both are equally as good for producing unlimited safe drinking water.

And most RO/DI vendors also provide a Remineralization/Calcification addon for their systems to negate the claim that: 'Soft-Water' is not good for you because it doesn't contain any minerals and is highly acidic (although providing no evidence for this claim).

Thanks for the reply.
Next year i am going to purchase a rain water tank which i will be using for my drinking water also. Would a reverse osmosis filter still be necessary or just a decent water filter?



[edit on 6/12/2009 by wycky]

reply to post by unityemissions


Those shower heads are great I bought one at my local heath food store. I was getting an orange colored build up in the shower and it stopped it. What ever it was I dont want it soaking into my skin.

Originally posted by wycky
Thanks for the reply.
Next year i am going to purchase a rain water tank which i will be using for my drinking water also. Would a reverse osmosis filter still be necessary or just a decent water filter?

I would still recommend filtering it through reverse-osmosis because most rain water is classified as Acid-Rain which is full of smog particles from vehicle exhaust, full of heavy metals.

Originally posted by Choronzon

Originally posted by wycky
Thanks for the reply.
Next year i am going to purchase a rain water tank which i will be using for my drinking water also. Would a reverse osmosis filter still be necessary or just a decent water filter?

I would still recommend filtering it through reverse-osmosis because most rain water is classified as Acid-Rain which is full of smog particles from vehicle exhaust, full of heavy metals.

Yeah i was thinking along the same lines, where i live the pollution is not to bad, but better safe then sorry.

Thanks for the info

reply to post by Choronzon


I read this some time ago, that for a municipality to meet Standards they will often lower the Standards.

I recently switched from bottled to faucet filtered water. Why? Well I read a book that said water that isn't running but just sitting is kinda dead. Water that you can drink in nature is seldom just sitting. It is usually running. Running water is alive, and it isn't sitting there absorbing stuff from the plastics. Now I filter a small amount and stick in the fridge, in glass containers, if I am going out I use a small stainless thermos style holder, it keeps the water colder too, than just a plastic bottle anyways. And I no longer worry about using plastic bottles or recycling them.

And the plus is it taste's better too, so I want to drink more of it.

I just celebrated my first anniversary of the purchase of a Big Berkey water filtration unit. I went the extra mile and purchased the fluoride reduction filters that go with it.

My entire family could not believe how strong tasting the chemicals in our tap water were until they tasted water without them. Our municipal water is sourced from one of the most polluted rivers in the Great Lakes system.

Fortunately, the fluoride reduction elements also are designed to remove lead, arsenic, trihalomethanes, herbicides and pesticides, heavy metal ions, and some other industrial compounds too long in chemical name to even type out.

I can now barely tolerate but a few sips of water served in restaurants or from other unfiltered sources knowing what is likely in it --not to mention the poor taste.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth (no pun intended) to know that I am paying for my municipality to provide me with drinking water that is in all likelihood unhealthy.

The worst is at my school. The water there stinks of Chlorine. Next to my school is a sports centre with a swimming pool full of Chlorine to keep it clean. Its either the water supply or its connected to the swimming pool or something strange.

We use a commercial filter/chiller for our drinking water at home in the UK. Our area water supply comes from local reservoirs. A few years back, we were given the choice of whether fluoride was to be added or not. We chose against it.

I live on a farm. Good news is we get all the water from a well. Might be a little risky if you ask a doctor but 7 years and no sickness from it I would say its safer then the city's.

Best part is its super cheep! Only have to pay to power the pump.