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22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
Originally posted by kyred
reply to post by iamcamouflage
I love these sort of threads. They are very entertaining and, sometimes, enlightening. Yikes! Satan, the great deception. Good luck, Dude. with dealing with the great pretender. have at it believers. Heh.
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Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
Although I know you said to try not to use the Bible as a reference, it is very apparent that "you will know a good tree by good fruit and a bad tree by bad fruit" is pretty much spot on when it comes to people. Are murderers good people? Was Hitler a good guy? Was Stalin a good guy? Or was Gandhi a bad guy? Am I one of Satan's minions because I like to help the poor and needy?
Originally posted by iamcamouflage
I see your point. But some of these questions have grey area. The death penalty is legal in many states in this country, with approval from many Christians. Are they accomplices to murder? Does this make them good or evil?
I will not say that Hitler was a good guy, nor Stalin but there are many leaders who have been deceived to think that they were doing good while committing heinous acts in the name of god. And not just leaders there are many many people who are murdered in the name of god.
I cannot answer whether or not you are bad for helping the poor and needy, in some instances i feel it is wrong to "help" people who we deem to be poor and needy. There are missionaries who go to "primitive" tribes and countries to help and I would argue that in many cases they are doing much more harm than good. Destroying cultures and all. But from their perspective they are doing gods work and providing these people with the ultimate gift, in the form of Jesus and Christianity. I do not think that this is helping.
And when it comes to helping the poor and needy, why are so many Christians opposed to universal health care? Why does it seem that the majority of Christians are opposed to social programs which help thy neighbors? Notice I did not say ALL, i'm not including everyone, as there are exceptions.
[edit on 26-11-2009 by iamcamouflage]
Originally posted by iamcamouflage
I am aware of the circular logic that I have provided. Without the Bible there would be no mention of the Satan or the potential for Satan to deceive. This is what I find confusing about the faith that is put forth in religion.
I appreciate your thoughtful response, unlike some people
It seems that whenever it is asked of Christians to prove something, they delve into circular logic, using the Bible to prove the Bible. This is not logical and gets us no further and answers nothing.
Originally posted by chiron613
I think OP could have simplified his argument a bit by pointing out that many Christians consider other holy books to be the work of Satan. So, for example, some Christians consider the Koran to be the work of the devil. Or Bhagavad Gita, or whatever.
That being the case, how can a Christian know that his book is really the true Word, and not one of those other books? I mean, many claim that other books are of Satan, so how can you say any particular book is the right one?
The Bible tells us it is the true book. So does the Koran. So you can't rely on what the books say, because they claim the same thing - that they're the true one. How can you be sure?