The US has never signed that treaty before. It really surprises me though that still to this day, we "need" to have mines.

Especially with all the supposed CHANGE we were promised last November....

you would think with all the "land mines" this administration is trying to leave behind they would be a little more concerned.

Note to OP;sorry I couldn't resist

Originally posted by webpirate
The US has never signed that treaty before. It really surprises me though that still to this day, we "need" to have mines.

Especially with all the supposed CHANGE we were promised last November....

ermmm interesting.... with your signature, you know the Adolf one about telling lies, I thought you would of known better than to trust Obama.

I'm not entirely surprised, disappointed yes but not surprised.

The US is a military superpower, and unless they definitely have to, they're not going to relinquish a weapon that they may (however unlikely) have cause to use again.

In a way you have to admire their resolve, while at the same time shaking your head in disgust!

we should send this to them:



When will we ever learn?

All the best kiwifoot

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Ha!
I never said I trusted him or voted for him. Just said that's what was promised to the American people. There's very little I actually trust or believe.

Originally posted by webpirate
Ha!
I never said I trusted him or voted for him. Just said that's what was promised to the American people. There's very little I actually trust or believe.

I know...... I just think a lot of people were dooped by Obama.

Definitely have to agree with ya there.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Also anti tank mines dont forget them

These can't detonate under human weight. Not really part of the discussion, imo. I'm sure the technicalities of the proposed ban state anti-personnel mines.

A predictable result from the American government.

How many of you have any knowledge of mines past old war movies?

Mines have a place on the modern battlefield, and a big one. No Army can be everywhere and mines provide the crucial role of providing obstacles to enemy forces.

And, as poedxsoldiervet pointed out, claymores are crucial to the survival of some troops. I was a US Army Cavalry Scout, or Armored Reconnaissance Specialist. A large part of my job was sneaking forward of friendly forces into enemy territory and reporting intel in two man teams. We were two soldiers surrounded by enemy. To help give us a sliver of a chance of survival if our observation point was discovered by an enemy patrol, we placed shaped charges called Claymore mines around our position. They were detonated with a 'clacker,' a handheld remote detonator.

Basically, what I am getting at is that so many of you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here, and yet you have formed an opinion on the matter. This is the problem inherent in democracy.

And to the person who posted the picture of the little boy: I assume that it is relevant because he lost his leg due to an American land mine? I would support a ban on selling land mines to retarded militants in third world countries. Don’t blame the idiocy of some Somalia ‘soldier’ on modern American forces.

Land mines are just IEDs for rich people. It's okay though because they're professionally manufactured and distributed.

HopeyMcChange is sure bringing us real some good change... NOT.

That was an easy joke and told millions of times already... but you know, if he actually did what he promised, this joke wouldn't work... so, it's his fault.

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Also anti tank mines dont forget them

These can't detonate under human weight. Not really part of the discussion, imo. I'm sure the technicalities of the proposed ban state anti-personnel mines.

A predictable result from the American government.

Again, a case of going off half cocked without knowing what you are talking about.

Many anti-tank mines are detonated by magnets. When we clear minefields by hand, the first thing we do is remove ALL metal from our bodies so we dont detonate mines in our path. We also use wooden dowels to detect the mines, not knives like you will see some poorly trained troops doing.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Land mines are just IEDs for rich people. It's okay though because they're professionally manufactured and distributed.

How in the world can anything manufactured for a specific purpose be an IMPROVISED explosive device.

Back in the good old days of ATS we had to actually think about what we were saying. Now you can get by just following the popular position.

Nope.

It is not an administrative decision, Obama, Bush or Clinton they don't decide jack about what the military can or can not do, use or manufacture.

Point is, even back in 2006 when I re-enlisted in the US Army for the second time, we in the 19Delta "Cav"alry Scout MOS/Military Occupational Specialty aka job. Still recieved mine emplacement and removal classes for our soldier specific training.

So, think about it. Current training and doctrine has anti-personel and vehicle/armor mine use and removal. Why would they be against some thing that is still taught and used.

Difference between yestercenturies mines and todays is modern mine munitions are smarter and can be turned off or deactivated after a specified and or predetermined time.

Their locations are GPS tagged/marked and can be found 100% using technology for that reason. No longer are the days of 1,000s air delivered carpet mines.

Not saying the issue and problem isnt relevent, it is a shame that thousands upons thousands of mines are still in place from previous wars. Reality how ever dictates life, not fancy dreams and wishes for the other wise.

Mines are a deterent, if people know the area is mined they are more likely to avoid or go around the zone. Defensive they are beneficial, but when used to actively exploit areas of high traffic, it becomes less than honorable for their use in my opinon.

Just my $.02

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