Atheism...the new Christianity , page 1

reply to post by Snarf

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i dont think anyone has the right to judge, no one on this planet knows the absolute truth so how can they claim they do, every single religion that exists could or could not be true, no one can say they absolutly know 100% that god does exist and no one can say 100% that god dosnt, so i say why not call a truce?

reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

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atheism doesnt require faith. its a lack of faith.

wrong. It requires faith. Every atheist i've ever talked to says "i dont believe in God because there's no scientific proof"

And there's no scientific proof to disprove God either.

So you're either all in, or all out.

You either use "science" to pan out your beliefs, or you don't.

Faith is defined (basically) as believing in something without proof

You don't believe in God, that's believing ins omething

you have no proof

you have faith.

reply to post by Snarf

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Agreed.

Not ALL atheists fit this bill, but a lot of the most vocal/zealous ones do.


Along with this, are the many many people who have now taken up scientific consensus as a religion. Instead of recognizing science as a tool, and people as people, these people will follow their pet conception of the "scientific community" like a church and take current knowledge as dogma.


Yes, it takes faith to believe that, since we currently do not possess evidence of something, therefore it must not exist. Evidence may not exist. It doesn't mean the thing in question also does not. Simply that the evidence does not. Then how can you prove it? You can't. At least not in that way. Deal with it.

I was "agnostic" for a long time, which simply means I either didn't know or didn't care (a little of both). An agnostic is just an atheist who has the guts to admit to himself that he doesn't have any proof that a "God" doesn't exist, either.

Since then, I've awoken to enough other knowledge to form different ideas about the universe, but these are personal.

reply to post by Snarf

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each religion has their own sector of robot-minded idiots who seek to tell the rest of the world how to live their lives else go to hell.

curious - if you know this - then why the thread?

why come down specifically on the atheists for the same behavior?

reply to post by Snarf

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I believe in god, yet I never seem to have a problem with Atheists attacking my beliefs. Occasionally I'll get the odd comment about it being an irrational belief, being without evidence - which seems to me more a statement of the obvious than any sort of "attack". A few honestly curious questions here and there as well, but I seem to notice a definite trends in keeping a personal faith personal and not projecting it onto my statements of objective reality or other people correlating to their objection to my faith.

See, unfortunately we live in a world where people's subjective personal beliefs are all too often the driving forces between banal and ignorant attacks on the science which we depend upon for our prosperity and livelihoods, maneuvering our politics and policies, as well as flat out murder. I agree with the atheists that, considering they share this world with the faithful - and the faithful's actions can have direct and profound impacts on their own lives, that the beliefs of others are very much their business and should be checked when projected (even sub-consciously) upon those with no desire to be subjected to those beliefs.


And when you make statements as ignorant as "Atheism requires faith" because you think it sounds good, regardless whether made from lack of research or lack of acceptance, it doesn't say much for your opinion or your beliefs.

Atheism is a form of faith, like Zero is a number. While it can be seen as a position in the theological argument - it signifies absolutely nothing, making neither positive or negative statements on the existence of god. Statements can only be made in light of evidence, whether positively affirmed or negated. There is no evidence for or against god, resulting in a null position of 0... absence... atheism. Claims by religions about reality, however, CAN be falsified or verified - resulting in positive or negative affirmation based on evidence (Existence of Cyrus the Great and Noah's Flood being two examples of + & -) giving the illusion of a positive position/statement of "no god".

No Evidence =/= No God. It only means no reason to believe in one. I accept and understand this analysis, which as a believer, makes my positive statement of belief in god without evidence - entirely faith based.

[edit on 4-11-2009 by Lasheic]

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

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wrong. It requires faith. Every atheist i've ever talked to says "i dont believe in God because there's no scientific proof"

And there's no scientific proof to disprove God either.

There's no scientific proof that the cookie monster doesn't exist. But that doesn't make it any less wrong to believe in it. However, there is proof the Christian (particularly Catholic) God doesn't exist. It goes against reason and natural law. Transubstantiation is logical nonsense. Prophecy is nonsense. But that's beside the point. It's still irrational to believe in a God when there is no good evidence for the belief.

According to your definition, it would be acceptable to believe that there is an evil all-powerful deity who sends every man, woman, and child to hell for all eternity. Why? You can't prove it doesn't exist. Again, the burden of proof lies on the extraordinary claim.

As for the Atheists bashing Christians, I think it is morally wrong to instill hatred in others, which is precisely what I believe you are talking about...the Atheists who mock Christians and believe that they (the Atheists) are somehow 'better.' Knowing the truth doesn't make anyone better than another. I know that the world is round but that doesn't make me better than anyone who lived a thousand years ago. 'Better' is a moral term, and personal beliefs aside, anyone can be morally good or morally bad.

reply to post by Alexander_Supertramp

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Careful...

knowing the truth is what got Adam and Eve kicked out of the garden...

metaphorically speaking

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

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why come down specifically on the atheists for the same behavior

because atheists always have a way out

"I dont believe in God!"

and some how they're allowed to keep on going calling the rest of us idiots and morons.

I call them out because some of them are the doing very thing they're out there bashing.

"Spreading their faith"

I don't bash them for doing what they want to do, or believing what they believe.

But they (most of the ones i've talked to) think that it's okay to call me a moron for believing in God, but not for me to say "just shut up and ill believe what i want to believe"

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