Just 53% Say Capitalism Better Than Socialism, page 2

reply to post by Vitchilo

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True socialism would require no figurehead.

What you describe sounds like communism.

reply to post by The Transhumanist

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So how would you react? Would you grudgingly accept that the times are changing? Would you attempt to have your state secede from the Union? Or would you launch a guerrilla war against the federal government?

I don't think... mind you, just think, that the US would ever vote itself into a socialist state of existence. We may well dabble in a little blending here and there, just as happened during the Great Depression and FDR. But a wholesale flip? I just don't see it.

As for states seceding? That's another matter entirely. That could happen with or without any socialism in the mix. There are a lot of people who feel that our government has already strayed too far from the original intent of the Constitution.

There are, as we speak, states that have quietly taken up the slow but steady debate on exactly what their own constitutions say about secession and what it would mean to alter them to allow for it.

Finally, America was borne on the wings of revolution. That we have since become so docile to the federal government is something, to me, that seems unique. It may well be that we are drifting away from that malaise and beginning once again to think state sovereignty over federal supremacy... to load the weight of duty over the pause of comfort.

reply to post by Vitchilo

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The scandinavians would disagree with you. Socialism is working just fine for Denmark, Sweden etc.

reply to post by The Transhumanist

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Those numbers don't surprise me. The media has never been sympathetic to capitalism, but in the last couple of years, they've been relentless in bashing it. Sooner or later, that's bound to take a toll.

The numbers aren't that bad, all things considered. The general public still supports capitalism by a 53-20 margin and its even leading with the under-30 kiddies, who have been bombarded with anti-capitalist propoganda most of their adult lives.

Of course, no one bothered to tell them that we already live in a country with significant socialist influences and policy, and perhaps not so surprisingly, the further we've traveled down that road in the last several decades, the deeper our country has fallen into the toilet.

reply to post by buddhasystem

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I think It's interesting that none of the libertarians on these forums have anything to say about libertarian socialism. Socialists take equality over liberty and libertarians visa versa. Libertarian socialism combines the two.

As someone who lives in a Socialist country (Vietnam) and someone who has travelled to places like Burma and North Korea, I can say that Socialism is NOT good. Socialism translates into no middle class, everyone is poor apart from the small group of ruling/government class.

You went to North Korea?

Maybe that is because the GDP per capita is $2,793 and because you have a single party state.

America has two parties that keep each others power in check and has a gdp per capita of $47,440.

Socialism NEVER WORKED. That is just a fact. Anyone who doesn't know that haven't read anything.

Name one true socialist state.

As for states with socialist policies, much of western Europe is doing just fine.

Not to mention the fact that we are the wealthiest country on Earth, healthiest country on Earth, and most looked up to country on Earth.

Wealthiest, yes. Healthiest, not by a long shot. Rated 37th by the WHO. As for most looked up to, well you can thank Obama for partially restoring our image after the 8 year trainwreck of foreign policy and diplomacy in the last administration.

You really wanna be born and assigned a job, told what to do? Told how much your going to make? Never have any chance to do what you want with your life or live your dreams?

First of all, I am not talking about The USASSR here. I'm talking about moving in a more socialist direction. (Healthcare, higher education) No one gets assigned a job in France. In a true ideal form of socialism, a meritocracy would take place in which income is directly connected to output.

Capitalism and Socialism are not opposites. Capitalism is an economic system and socialism is a social thing. The opposite of capitalism is communism. If you don't understand these things, why are you making threads about it?

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Socialism is both a social and en economic system. If you don't understand these things, why are you making posts about it?

It actually doesn't matter in the context of OP. Thing is, people get a feeling that the society is broken. Things are going in the wrong direction.

Exactly. If the majority are one day no longer satisfied with capitalism, doesn't that make capitalism a bad thing for America?

reply to post by The Transhumanist

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Well that sounds about right.
About 53% of Americans want the capitalism version of health care.
About 45% want the Canadian Health Care system down here.
2% don't care what happens.

reply to post by The Transhumanist

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Great Post!

These polls are purely based on the question(s) posed. Notice Rasmussen did not offer the question asked in order to garner these results. A fleeting comment in the article stated the "definition" of capatalism and socialism were not brought forth during the polling.

For me, I need to see the question before I bite too hard on the results.

This particular quote from the article while not too suprising does tell a great deal.

There is a partisan gap as well. Republicans - by an 11-to-1 margin - favor capitalism. Democrats are much more closely divided: Just 39% say capitalism is better while 30% prefer socialism. As for those not affiliated with either major political party, 48% say capitalism is best, and 21% opt for socialism.

There my friends is the difference between boys and girls, I mean Right and Left.

Becker

reply to post by The Transhumanist

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it's a stupid poll.

Everyone polled has never lived under "Capitalism". It's been "Corporatism" their entire lives.

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