USA Prepares to Attack Russia in 3 or 4 Years?

english.pravda.ru...

US army bases will appear on the Black Sea Coast – in Bulgaria and Romania. About $50 million will be assigned to build the base in Romania, and the Pentagon plans to spend $60 million more for the same purpose in Bulgaria.

The Romanian base is expected to be put in operation in 2010, whereas the second one will most likely be launched in 2011 or 2012. Over 4,000 US military men are expected to serve at the two bases: 1,600 in Romania and 2,500 in Bulgaria. The authorities of the two nations expect that the US military men will settle there for a long time.

Col. Gary Russ, commander of Joint Task Force-East, sad that no one in Bulgaria and Romania had anything against the US military presence in the two countries. Vice President Joseph Biden, who recently visited several countries of Eastern Europe, including Romania, stated that the European nation supported a new configuration of the US missile defense system.

It is not ruled out that elements of the US missile defense system may eventually appear in Eastern Europe. US officials say that the appearance of army bases in Bulgaria and Romania strictly corresponds to the plans of the US administration to relocate troops in foreign countries (George W. Bush announced the plans in 2004).

It goes about the Pentagon’s intention to cut its 55,000-strong group in Germany and redeploy a part of the troops in several countries of Eastern Europe, including Bulgaria and Romania.

Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, said in an interview with Pravda.Ru that the plans of the United States to build army bases in Romania and Bulgaria were exposed nearly a decade ago.

“Indeed, the Americans need more bases for their actions in the Middle East. They have bases in Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, but they are not enough to satisfy all of Washington’s needs. The Pentagon needs new bases in Eastern Europe to maintain its troops in the Middle East,” the expert said.

Another expert, Konstantin Sivkov, told Pravda.Ru that the appearance of new army bases in Bulgaria and Romania would pose a threat to Russian interests.

“The number of US military men at the two bases is not going to be large, but who can say that it will not be doubled, tripped or quadrupled in the future? Furthermore, the appearance of NATO bases on the Black Sea coast will come as an addition to the US military objects in the Baltic region. As a result, Russia will find itself trapped.

“Why does the USA need these two bases on the Black Sea? To struggle against terrorism? This explanation does not withstand any criticism. There are nearly 4,000 kilometers between Romania and the Middle East. This distance is too large for the nation to maintain its groups in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“One should bear in mind the fact that the Americans started withdrawing their troops from Iraq. Therefore, there is no need to strengthen the infrastructure. To crown it all, American army bases in the Middle East are plentiful.

“I would also like to pay your attention to the fact that the US Military Academy at West Point has recently launched extensive courses to study the Russian culture and language. They started teaching the Iraqi culture and the Arab language three years before invading Iraq.

“Washington is also interested in the energy sources of the Caspian Sea. The bases will probably be established in Romania and Bulgaria to secure the transportation of the Caspian oil and gas,” the expert concluded.

An interesting perspective, although extremely paranoid. I wonder if the US military Academy at West Point are really teaching Russian culture.

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Some other interesting sources to see: U.S., Georgia begin joint military drills on Monday

And it's also interesting to note that around 3 weeks before the war in Georgia in 2008, that the US and Georgia held military exercises as well. Although these may actually be common occurences after all.

en.rian.ru...

Georgia together with the United States also began large-scale military exercises Tuesday, Immediate Response 2008, near its capital of Tbilisi.

A total of 1,650 personnel, including troops from Armenia, Azerbaijan and Ukraine, are taking part in the $8 million drills, planned by the U.S. Armed Forces European Command and financed by the U.S. Defense Department.

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I have been concerned about this ever since the Georgian conflict which really was a Proxy war between the US and Russia in my opinion.

If Iran goes next, and I believe based on all the propaganda that Iran is certainly next, it may draw in Russia and China against the US... but they may still be still stand-offish.

With the way the wars are going, we can only expect bigger and badder escalation in the years to come with Russia and China.

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Russia adopted a first-strike policy against aggressors a couple of weeks ago, and regardless of whether the US would attack Russia, the Russian's seem to believe it will happen. That in itself is dangerous enough, especially with Chinese and Russian interests inside Iran.

Ukraine have elections in Jan 2010, so there'll be increased tensions.


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english.pravda.ru...

The forthcoming presidential election in Ukraine may end with a coup or the establishment of either monarchy or dictatorship.

“We are going through a very serious political crisis at the moment. All of us, including the leading political forces, declare that there are numerous violations of the Constitution and human right taking place in the nation. Either the president of the country or the civil society must put forward an alternative now,” Yury Zbitnev, the leader of New Force Party said.

An expert with Research and Branding Group, Yevgeny Kopatko, said that Ukraine had been experiencing fundamental economic, political and public changes during the recent five years.

“The situation will change after the election, because there is a huge demand on changes in the Ukrainian society at the moment. No one knows whether this change is going to be legitimate, though,” he said.

I have to admit its getting boring restating time and time again that Pravda is nothing more than "The Enquirer" in Russian. Pravda is full of lies, I repeat it is full of lies.

Although I find it baffling how they expect us to believe the USA will attack Russia when it can't even beat cave men in Afghanistan who have no Planes, Tanks or Satellite tech to fight back but just good old man power.

Should be interesting.
The American military were disgraced and booted right out of Afghanistan, had to go back in there with the UN holding it's hand.
The UN is now losing there too.

The US military, 160,000 of them, with all the latest hardware and technology have been unable to subdue a few civilian insurgents in Iraq, not even a proper army, after six years of combat.

Admittedly the insurgents are being re supplied and aided by every other nation in the world, including Canada and Australia.
But it is still an absolute disgrace for the US military.

Then in Georgia, with US made equipment, US military advisor's, and full support of the CIA, another humiliating defeat for the US administration.

The Pentagon is terrified to attack Iran, because it would stir up a hornet's nest in the middle east.
America is now left with no allies at all, would be crushed and driven right out of the entire region if Iran gets really mad.

Attack Russia, what a joke that would be.

Sure you can attack Russia, and every single city in the US would be a radioactive smoking ruin within hours.

Sure you can blow up the entire world, And poison all of mankind, but that AIN'T VICTORY.

No you will have your revolution, and get your jollies off by killing each other.
But as a world power, politically, economically, or militarily, the US is now finished.

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I'll tell you what I think...the poop will hit the fan when and if a Republican gets back into the White House. Why? Putin hated Bush. Putin condemned Bush for many things, but Putin has lots of praise for Obama. So, when and if another republican gets into office, Russia will be pissed because Obama represents socialistic ideas like Putin does. Republicans support big businesses. The republicans are just setting themselves up for another war, of course...this time with Russia.

I don't know much about these lasers, but I think the US has far more advanced technologies than Russia and other countries. Why? We got those top Nazi scientists after WWII remember? At least that's what I'm led to believe. The US is not one of the most powerful nations because our leaders operate like idiots. Nope. I don't know what would happen if nuclear war were to take place. They say the radiation levels are harmful even in areas not affected by the blasts because radiation spreads due to something. Well, I hope I'm far away from the radiation when the time comes if it does.

Obama seems a bit odd. He sprang up from two parents: one not quite as American as the other. His middle name is Hussein. Doesn't that tell you something about his influences? I'm not say they are good or bad. I say let him do his job...whatever the purpose behind it is. Just keep me out of harm's way should we be attacked.

Now I dont know how true the reports about Afghanistan are.....I dont know anyone that has been there to be honest, but for all the average bloke knows.....all the reports from there could be false and afghanistan is being used as a staging post for an international buildup of troops to attack both iran and prepare for retaliation simultanuously from Russia north of the causcusus and the east from china.

The US has been building up bases and weapons around Russia ever since the cold war fell and this will continue until TSHTF !

It has to happen...the west promised it will never take former soviet block nations into Nato, but this has not been the case.

Nato is slowly but steadily sucking in more and more members.

Mark my words...if an Iran attack doesnt happen the trigger for war with russia will be Ukraine joining Nato......Russia will never stand for that being so close to Moscow.....

War with Russia and China will happen the question is when?

i have never quite understood why some countries allow foreign bases & troops on their soil. Usually these bases are even off limits with local authorities! It's like giving a big part of your freedom to hands of another country, even if they are 'friendly' at the moment.

but Putin has lots of praise for Obama.

Yeah, because he knows Obama is a pussy and won't do jack to stop him when the Russians invade the former USSR states that became independent in 1991 because they move closer to the West and democracy and away from the iron fist of Russia.

That's so stupid Russia has 10 times as many military vehicles as the US.

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i have never quite understood why some countries allow foreign bases & troops on their soil. Usually these bases are even off limits with local authorities! It's like giving a big part of your freedom to hands of another country, even if they are 'friendly' at the moment.

Simple reason.

American bases mean money and jobs to the local economy.

If it's voluntary on the part of the host nation, I see nothing wrong with it.



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Originally posted by Pillar
That's so stupid Russia has 10 times as many military vehicles as the US.

And 90% of them are rusting hulks that can't even move.

Russia is making a huge mistake. They seem to forget what happened to Japan when they made the same exact mistakes.

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Should be interesting.

Yes, it should be interesting to take this ridiculous post apart line by line.

The American military were disgraced and booted right out of Afghanistan, had to go back in there with the UN holding it's hand.
The UN is now losing there too.

Show us all where the U.S. ever left afghanistan and then returned with "the UN holding it's hand".

The US military, 160,000 of them, with all the latest hardware and technology have been unable to subdue a few civilian insurgents in Iraq, not even a proper army, after six years of combat.

Ah, but there's the "little issue" of minimizing collateral damage. You know what that means, right? Turns out to be quite difficult to accomplish when the insurgents are indistinguishable from the civilian population. But, by all means, you tell us how it should have been done.

Admittedly the insurgents are being re supplied and aided by every other nation in the world, including Canada and Australia.
But it is still an absolute disgrace for the US military.

Again, show us credible reports of this.

Then in Georgia, with US made equipment, US military advisor's, and full support of the CIA, another humiliating defeat for the US administration.

Again, show us credible reports of this.

The Pentagon is terrified to attack Iran, because it would stir up a hornet's nest in the middle east.
America is now left with no allies at all, would be crushed and driven right out of the entire region if Iran gets really mad.

You have quite the military mind, don't you? Any fool knows that the U.S. would never invade iran. Doesn't mean they wouldn't destroy iran's military from the air, but after that, why invade?

Attack Russia, what a joke that would be.

Quite. That's exactly why I'm quite sure no one is going to do that either.

Sure you can attack Russia, and every single city in the US would be a radioactive smoking ruin within hours.

But there's no need when you can just stand back and watch and wait for russia to implode (again).

Sure you can blow up the entire world, And poison all of mankind, but that AIN'T VICTORY.

Good for you. You got one right!

No you will have your revolution, and get your jollies off by killing each other.
But as a world power, politically, economically, or militarily, the US is now finished.

And then you lost it again.

And 90% of them are rusting hulks that can't even move. Russia is making a huge mistake. They seem to forget what happened to Japan when they made the same exact mistakes.

Russia wouldn't have or be flexing it's muscles unless it has something up it's sleeves yet it probably has china and and other countries eating out of its palms so you can't exactly say they are going to lose a war if anything does happen.

P.s I like fantasising about World war 3 and new secret weponry so i have an open mind

One word YEMENTAU! That bunker wasn't built for no reason. WWIII will happen in my lifetime. And Russia and China will be our enemies.

Here's the headline you all need to be reading.

Brace yourself, because this happens to be the result of much research, speculation and psychic bribery. And I gurantee that this headline is 100% accurate. Ready?

"Someone is going to do something to someone in the next few days. Or maybe weeks or months. Maybe years. But it'll happen and it won't be pretty! Or maybe it will, depending on who you ask."

There! Your foolproof headline! Slap it on the front of every newspaper until it happens and then say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO!" and be sure to credit Timewavebubble Zero One Two or your magic eight ball or some other piece of fascinating technology that no one else has ever heard about.

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You want credible reports.
They are everywhere, but Americans don't even look.

Sure, but try to refute this.

There are currently 28 nations that OPENLY have military in Iraq, and their purpose is REBUILDING Iraq.
There are ,many other nearby Muslim nations covertly supporting Iraq with manpower, explosives, and weapons.

Yet none of those twenty eight nations in Iraq are carrying out combat missions against insurgents.

None of those twenty eight nations are taking any casualties.
None ZERO.

None of those twenty eight nations have anything to do with the US as allies carrying out joint COMBAT MISSIONS against insurgents..

Conclusion,
The US is fighting the Iraqi people, you choose to call INSURGENTS.

But other nations are in Iraq helping to put Americans into body bags.by supplying massive international aid.to the Iraqi people.
This has been going on for six years.

If you don't believe this, even Canada has military in Iraq, but is not carrying out combat missions there, or suffering combat casualties, or have anything to do with US operations in Iraq.

So why is Canada in Iraq, and what are they doing there ?
What is Australia doing in Iraq ?

Answer,
they are providing aid that goes directly to the insurgents.

Americans must be the dumbest nation on the planet not to know what is actually going on in Iraq.

Americans are so dumb, none of you even have the slightest idea what this war is all about, or what the final objective is.

So tell me, why is America in Iraq, and why are these evil terrorist insurgents not firing upon the other twenty eight nations that also have military in Iraq ?

And why has America had 7500+ combat deaths.
Canada has zero combat deaths.in Iraq.
Australia zero combat deaths in Iraq.
And we have all been there for six very long years.

A smart ass on another Forum suggested the US military were PROTECTING all foreign military.

Hahahaha, you protect us, but you cannot even protect yourselves,
That is just laughable,.

To be six years in a war zone and have zero casualties can only mean the enemy is not firing upon you. Even a total moron must be able to understand that.

Why can foreign military run food convoys into Iraq without being sniped or road bombed ? When the US come along the same identical stretch of road five minutes later and are blown apart ?
Hard to figure, eh ?

As I said Americans are the stupidest people on the planet to believe that America is fighting against terrorism.
Americans ARE the terrorists in Iraq, and the entire world is now against you, and winning.

Go ahead, find a single link that shows any nation other than America killing insurgents in Iraq, or taking casualties. in Iraq, or fighting beside America..

But you will find a mountain of evidence of many nations in Iraq rebuilding the country and supplying humanitarian aid, which goes strait to the insurgents.

No doubt when the same US military starts shooting at YOU when martial law is declared, they will be heroes killing YOU the insurgent.

The US military can do no wrong, so prepare to face same identical fate as the innocent ordinary Iraqi people..

The only difference is, the entire world now supports Iraq against the US military with massive aid and support pouring in.
.
When the US military turn upon YOU the lone American gun nut, nobody is coming to help you.

Iraq has now successfully resisted the American military for six years, because of massive international aid and support from all nations..
Surely you can see that ?
.
Can you beat your own US military as well, all by yourselves ?
For how long ?
The Iraqis have a constant supply of food, fuel, money, ammo, and moral support, coming in across many borders from all over the world.
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The US military are suiciding in increasing numbers in Iraq. Strange, huh, for such a noble war.

The lone American psychopathic gun nut will have nothing coming to him from across any borders. in his war against the US military.

What are you going to do when the beer runs out ?

Good luck.



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very profound....I love it.

There would definatly be a world war 3 the USA and other countries are making bases around their enemies.

China - America has many bases near japan which can be used against China in a war.

Russia - America has made missile systems in European countries near Russia and they are coming closer to Russia.

North Korea - American troops are presently in South Korea and also as the Japanese American bases to control any threat.

Go on this link and you can see that America has surrounded It's European- Asian enemies:
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