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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Plot in the following in your Google Earth:
Archeologists scanned the formation of fossilised wood with radar and found metal embedded with equal distances all along the "ship". It's size and proportions match the biblical accord. It's even sited in the very mountain range the Bible records -- Ararath. The political and security situation in that part of Turkey is rather shaky these days and has been for decades. Was this site where Noah, his wife and children walked out of the Ark with what they had gathered of animals where they once lived?
Originally posted by Doc Holiday
This has been on a few docu's..
I can't remeber which, they are rather old guessing the late 90's
It was on history channel I believe, I don't recall the out come, but if there was something there that they had a shread of evidence that took them any further towards their thesis, I'll bet we'd know about it!
My memory is not as good as I thought, I believe that some of the local population, let them down in a hurry, by telling them of prior industrial, or agricultural history's from that area, seems that I remember it being a large sheep/cattle ranch????
Srry for no direct linky's
Originally posted by tempest501
I always thought the bible was speaking in meterphorical terms but if that really is the Ark that would be so intresting. I hope someong can go and research this.
How come they havent yet? is it laying on some sort of border or something? Forgive me if thats a stupid question its just I am not familiar with Turkey geographics etc.
Originally posted by tinfoilman
reply to post by InSpiteOf
20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.
Apparently the animals he needed just came to him. Came to him to be kept alive I guess. I guess God texted them or something. I dunno.
Originally posted by InSpiteOf
reply to post by tinfoilman
All this site does is suggest that there is potentially a big, fossilized boat in a mountainous region.
In 1992 Ian Plimer found an opportunity to publicly attack the claims of creation science.
Dr. Allen Roberts: “Here we have it seems a real boat. It is in the right place to be Noah’s Ark, it is about the right size to be Noah’s Ark.”
Dr. Allen Roberts, a minister and historian, made a public lecture tour, speaking about a site in Eastern turkey.
Dr. Allen Roberts:“ If it’s not Noah’s Ark, then what is it?”
Prof. Ian Plimer: “It is a normal hill There are lots of hills like it It is a normal geological structure called a syncline.”
When Ian Plimer questioned Roberts Geological knowledge he was removed from the meeting.
Prof. Ian Plimer: “I found that this was really quite an insult to my science and I found that this was quite an insult for what I stand for in the education system. As one who is committed to education I thought well no I have to stand up and be counted.”
“I’d seen previous people who had worked on this problem as writing articles and writing books, and that had no effect. I thought it was much better to come out and make it public and to really stand up to the one thing that I saw in every creationist writing and every creationist argument and that was misleading and deceptive conduct.”
Half a world away in San Diego another Ark Hunter was to give Plimer a chance to expose that misleading and deceptive conduct. Dave Fasold had been to the same site as Roberts, and believed he had found the Ark. His book “the Ark of Noah “detailed his research.
David Fasold: “ I first heard of Allan Roberts when he left a message on my answering machine. He said, my name is Allan Roberts, and / I’d like to talk to you
By that time I’d probably spent over 200 thousand dollars on it, and to me it was beginning to get like a hole in the ground that you throw money into. So I really didn’t care if I ever talked to him again.”
However, Roberts used Fasolds work in his own lectures, and that was the crucial link for Plimer.
David Fasold: “Plimer then got back in touch with me and said that he had read my book and seen that these people had pinched my work and what was I going to do about it.”
Plimer and Fasold agreed to meet at the sight in Turkey.
Fasold was still trying to prove it’s authenticity. He had previously taken samples from the area that were identified at the time as man made iron.
David Fasold: “I really believed I had found Noah’s Ark because I was surrounded by people who wanted to find Noah’s Ark. It had all the right dimensions it was in the right location and I had people telling me that the evidence we were finding was good evidence.”
But as the digging continued, the evidence began to mount against the ark. Fasold could not find the iron he had previously identified. And worse still, a revaluation of his original samples showed that they were not after all, man made.
Fasold no longer believed in the Ark and the former Ark Hunter and the Geologist now became allies.
He had discovered that a diagram published by Roberts bore striking similarities to one in his own book.
To strengthen his own case Fasold made a joint claim with Plimer, who was accusing Roberts of misleading and deceptive claims. Plimer was now using his case against Roberts to question the integrity of creation science as a whole.
David Fasold: “Well, I don’t think that anyone should have to do a court case like this on their own. I think that you bring it out into the public, after all Roberts lectures were public lectures, and he paid for advertising in newspapers to bring this to everyone’s attention. So we are bringing the real story to the public.”
Early in 1997 Dave Fasold, and Ian Plimer met in the mountains outside Sydney. With their legal team, they made final preparations for the case.
Maya Plimer was also at the end of a long and difficult road to the trial. She had been a driving force behind Ian.
Maya Plimer: “We have been living this case for 5 years now. We have sold one house, we are living in a tiny cottage. I don’t care about the money, but my wish is that every parent in Australia would become aware of what Creation Science is about.”
After such a long preparation, the trial lasted only seven days. Although the media called it another Scopes trial, the judge was careful to confine the court to the much narrower legal issues.
Justice Sackville: “ The applicants case insofar in that it is based on the Trade Practices and the trading Act fails. Mr Fasold succeeds in his claim for infringement of copyright against Dr Roberts, but he is awarded damages of only 2,500 dollars. “
Justice Sackville found that Roberts had made some false and misleading representations. However, as they were not made in trade or commerce, Plimers case failed.
Fasold won his copyright claim. Roberts was ordered to pay him damages, but he still claimed a moral victory.
Dr. Allen Roberts:“ I’m delighted particularly because the judgement that was handed down by his honour has in fact preserved the free speech of anyone that has something important to say publicly.”
Although his side of the case failed, Plimer still took some satisfaction from the judges statements.
Prof. Ian Plimer: “We were able to show legally that this work was misleading and deceptive, and I have argued for decades that the one golden thread that unites creationists is misleading and deceptive conduct......”
If Plimer felt defeated he did not show it. Since the trial he has lodged an appeal, hoping that the court will this time find that Roberts was acting in trade and commerce. For him the fight goes on...
Prof. Ian Plimer:“I feel very strongly about what Creation Scientists are doing to Science because they completely denigrate the value of inquiring, the value of not knowing, the value of exploring the unknown the value of being a critical thinker.”
Originally posted by InSpiteOf
That's damn convenient. I guess the spiders just hitched a ride on a birds back. Snakes must've coiled around a giraffe neck.
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Cattle and sheep farm at 15,500 ft where there's snow most of the year?