Mix 1 retired teacher few old parts and what do get? backyard hydrogen conversion , page 2

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I haven't found any evidence of Brown's Gas being a significant improvement, or even necessary for water to increase horsepower or fuel economy.

Brown's gas and the water system are two completely different applications.
-Brown's gas (HHO) is used primarily for its high volatility to ignite more of your fuel before it gets out of the cylinder. Remember as of now we only burn about 20% of the fuel in the cylinder.
-The water system uses an atomizer to produce a super fine mist which is introduced into the cylinder to be vaporized, not burned. Water expands 800 times it volume when vaporized. This will produce more pressure in the cylinder but doesn't nessasarally improve your mileage being that you still need the same amount of fuel to produce the amount of heat required to vaporize the water.

Several posters are correct that the draw of power from the alternator will counteract the additional power provided by the H2 and O2 gas after it is electrolysized.

-Not really. your alternator already produces more electrical power than your vehicle needs. But the question is how much extra juice can it produce? Is there another 20amps in it that I'm not using?

1. There has to be excess power in the engine. In other words, most engines have reserve power that is never used unless you are towing or climbing mountains or racing. As such, much of the horsepower is wasted, so adding an additional load from an additional alternator or a larger alternator, or some extra draw on the current, won't impact the fuel economy. This won't help much on economy cars, but it is certainly true in large trucks and cars!

I had to read this a few times for me to comprehend what you were saying. Let me see if I got this right-
Let's say you have a 5hp moter under your hood. This cute little car uses 1amp of elctricity to function. It takes 4hp to push this cute thing down the road and 1hp to turn the alternator to produce my 1amp of electical power. Now if I wanted to add more electrical do-hickies to this cute little car, I'm going to need more juice from the alternator which is going to need more hp to turn it.- Correct? Okay, now if I really wanted to put this do-hicky on my cute little car but the engine isn't powerful enough to turn the alternator to produce the power I need, whaty do I do? I know, I'll take that boom box of a stereo out and use that power!

2. There has to be a catalyst in the water to entice the electrolysis threshhold to be lower. Much of the internet research leaves out this step, or over generalizes it. Aluminum screen cathode and anode seem to work pretty well, as does altering the make up so that the cathode and anode are different materials. We had a lot of success with a series of alternating cylinder types for the cathode and anode

- Now here I must blantantly disagree with you 200%! Your electrolyte is the key ingredient for this recipe to work. It's discussed in every article I've ever read on my Internet. It can be either acidic or alkaline and the concentrations are different due to the design you use. No matter though because the electrolyte is still corrosive. Where did you get the idea that aluminum screen works as a cathode? I tell you what, one of the real popular electrolytes used in these systems is Sodium Hydroxide, commonly known as lye or drain opener. Get a little drain opener and put some aluminum foil in it. I don't want to, but I must warn you, your supposed cathode is going to be doing some major reacting. Do not smoke and don't have any open flames about. This reaction is producing Hydrogen gas due to the sodium hydroxide breaking down. Every unit that has been concieved only uses stainless steel when in contact with the electrolyte.

Please try using somebody else's internet. Yours apparently has alot of misleding information on it.

[edit on 20-10-2009 by geo1066]