I'm really surprised this isn't gathering more discussion. Where are all the right-wing nut-jobs screaming about "degrading military pride"?

I guess it's not the heated debate everyone expected it would be after all. Maybe people have moved on and have educated themselves?

However you look at it, it's a sensible move, although a large part of me wonders if the timing of this isn't just very convenient.

It's hard to maintain a war on two fronts, while possibly preparing for another, and all while restricting who can serve based on who they sleep with.

I could care less about ones sexual orientation or their gender, as long as you have your right index finger and can follow basic commands I am happy.

Open all military specialties to gays and females and require them to sign up with selective service. It's only fair, if I am required to sign up for selective service then so should females.

There's gay people everywhere! Although it's not my bag I couldn't care less if they serve with me. Even when homosexual relations where illegal in the Forces it still happened.

If there is a God I sure he doesn't care either.

Females in teeth arms as fighting soldiers though is a whole different argument, don't get me started!

Originally posted by Jimmy1880
There's gay people everywhere! Although it's not my bag I couldn't care less if they serve with me.

Hold it, before you get screwed. The gays struggle with their gender identities, which reflects on the quick friend-or-foe recognition during the heat of a battle. You need a fighting buddy out there who you can trust that he wouldn't blow your ass into pieces.

f you don't have God on your side, you can't even win a tennis match.

How many wars and other crimes against humanity have been committed because of this archaic mantra?

all our lives we were taught that socialism is bad.

We've been told many things "all our lives", I thought the point of being on this board was because we're starting to learn more, think differently, deny ignorance?

The bottom line is that Obama isn't bad or good, and he's only going to accomplish what TPTB will allow.

Gays has been in the military for years, they fight side by side with their fellow military members, they are just human beings like the next door neighbor, so what is the problem here?, is not like they have been banned from the military and now they can join in.

Sometimes I wonder the incredible mental block that anti gay movement have in their pursue of their misguided agendas.

Get it, they have been in the military already and they will continue to be among their fellow military for ever.

OK, Obama is going to replace the deliberate Grey Area that Clinton created concerning male or female homosexuality in the nations military.


? will this mean that those groups will be allowed, even recruited, for military specialties...like lawyers, cooks, special services, chaplins, honor guards, etc

but not be 'qualified' for paratrooper/delta force/infantry/or other front-line combat specialties??


let's just 'see' how far Obama will go with this proposal...
he might just be playing a 'lost-cause issue' for the cameras & press...
especially in light of the recent award of the Nobel PeacePrize


Since this was revealed on the 12th of oct...
i give this tactic & scheme 12 thumbs Down etc.

I'm glad to see that Obama is following through on this. There's a long way to go in gays getting equal protection under the law, but this is a great start!

Woo-Hoo!

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Where are all the right-wing nut-jobs screaming about "degrading military pride"?

The fact that this is the first post in this thread is so sad. It's like you're just begging for a fight. I can't help but wonder what drives ATS members these days. All that seems to matter is that we have a huge, dramatic, partisan free-for-all. It gets SO old...

Originally posted by stander

Originally posted by Jimmy1880
There's gay people everywhere! Although it's not my bag I couldn't care less if they serve with me.

Hold it, before you get screwed. The gays struggle with their gender identities, which reflects on the quick friend-or-foe recognition during the heat of a battle. You need a fighting buddy out there who you can trust that he wouldn't blow your ass into pieces.

So, you assume that gay people are going to be all "confused" and shoot their own side?

Obama hasn't stated that he'll openly recruit gay people, he's abolishing an archaic rule about "not telling".
We all know gay people already serve your country, and I don't see them getting all "confused" and shooting their own.

You're grasping at straws, and doing so badly.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
I'm really surprised this isn't gathering more discussion. Where are all the right-wing nut-jobs screaming about "degrading military pride"?

This is exactly what he wants. Division with the people of the United States. He wants to distract, divide and conquer. Doing this he can destroy this country more. As far as ATS, this is a dead horse and has been debated over and over. But I see where your head is. You want a fight...

I guess it's not the heated debate everyone expected it would be after all. Maybe people have moved on and have educated themselves?

Maybe people are too busy working or trying to find work? And once again it is a dead horse on ATS with everyone except you.

It's hard to maintain a war on two fronts, while possibly preparing for another, and all while restricting who can serve based on who they sleep with.

Yes, and your beloved Gay friendly President was just awarded the Nobel and he is going to start a 3rd front. What a joke.

Personally I can't wait for the gay pride parades during boot camp on the grinders at graduation. That should be a hoot for the rest of the world to watch... Gays in g-strings simulating sex on the grinder. I cant think of a better way to destroy the worlds strongest military. Of course that is the plan anyway isn't it?

If we look at all the rights gays are demanding now we can just imagine what the demands will be in the military.

I don't get this dont ask, don't tell policy for Gays.
Does everyone get asked their sexuality when they are filling out their application forms???

Is there a question or box that you have to tick, example...

Are you...
a) hetrosexual
b) homosexual
c) other

????

If no one was asked about their sexuality before, then why make it an issue now??
I don't get it.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The fact that this is the first post in this thread is so sad. It's like you're just begging for a fight. I can't help but wonder what drives ATS members these days. All that seems to matter is that we have a huge, dramatic, partisan free-for-all. It gets SO old...

Oh, please!
You know as well as I do that there'll be a person preaching the word of God in here any moment!
We've already had one poster suggesting that gay soldiers are likely to start shooting their own comrades because they have "gender issues". I'd really like to know what the psychological foundation for that misguided belief is, but I have a feeling the poster has no more of a clue about the connection than any reader of his comment

Whether you think it's a sad indictment of attitudes for me to say that or not, we all know the realities of bigotry.
So, lets not be naive about it and shy away from the truth, let's have the debate.
It's going to happen whether I make such a comment or not.

Basically, I'm telling it how I see it, just as you are.

Originally posted by northof8
This is exactly what he wants. Division with the people of the United States. He wants to distract, divide and conquer. Doing this he can destroy this country more. As far as ATS, this is a dead horse and has been debated over and over. But I see where your head is. You want a fight...

Originally posted by northof8
And once again it is a dead horse on ATS with everyone except you.

Originally posted by northof8
I cant think of a better way to destroy the worlds strongest military. Of course that is the plan anyway isn't it?

And you say I'm the one looking for a fight?

I merely pointed out a truth, as is being made evident with every stereotypical, unfounded, accusatory post in response to the discussion (regardless of my comment).

My "right-wing nut-job" comment was initially made in jest actually. But with a little foresight and experience of how these discussions go.

I'll admit I enjoy the debate, but guess what, that's what a forum is for.

Unless you have either been in the US Military, or are going to be shortly, I don't think your oppinion really counts for squat.

I think if your Gay, and have been actively pushing for this, then you should be forced to go into the Military.

The Military is what it is. Leave it alone.

I would like to see what some of you would do if the Military decided to stand down from protecting you. It would only be a short period of time, when you would be singing a different tune. How long do you think it would take for another country to have troops here if they did?
I give it a couple of days at best.

Unless you are willing to sign up, put your life on the line, then shut your pie hole on Military issues that are internal, not external.

I could care less about the gays in general. But I don't think I should have to hear about day in and day out as they are a small percentage of the population.

Originally posted by Flighty
If no one was asked about their sexuality before, then why make it an issue now??

If you truly don't get it, let me explain.

Under "Don't ask, don't tell", heterosexual people can talk about their relationships and have a picture of their spouse on their wall. The men can freely express their sexuality by flirting with the girls and discussing with the other straight men who is "hot" or whatever.

On the other hand, gays are not permitted to have pictures of their partners, talk about their relationship or in any way reveal that they are gay. In other words, they can ACT like they're straight (concealing their true selves) or ACT like they don't have any sexuality at all (concealing their true selves).

It's not that sexuality is a "big deal", but as human beings, it is part of who we are and does come into discussions and the every day living of our lives, whether we're in the military or not. I don't know how many times I've talked about my husband here on ATS. And I'm not even talking about my sexuality. He's just a big part of my life and as such, he comes into the discussion. But in the military, gay people have to keep quiet about that.

Hope that helps.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by northof8
This is exactly what he wants. Division with the people of the United States. He wants to distract, divide and conquer. Doing this he can destroy this country more. As far as ATS, this is a dead horse and has been debated over and over. But I see where your head is. You want a fight...

Originally posted by northof8
And once again it is a dead horse on ATS with everyone except you.

Originally posted by northof8
I cant think of a better way to destroy the worlds strongest military. Of course that is the plan anyway isn't it?

And you say I'm the one looking for a fight?

I merely pointed out a truth, as is being made evident with every stereotypical, unfounded, accusatory post in response to the discussion (regardless of my comment).

My "right-wing nut-job" comment was initially made in jest actually. But with a little foresight and experience of how these discussions go.

I'll admit I enjoy the debate, but guess what, that's what a forum is for.

That's great... You actually look for a fight and then claim civility in response. You don't want a debate. You want another flaming thread is what you want. It doesn't look like you are going to get your way.

The point here is Obama could care less about gays in the military. That is just easier than taking on Gay marriage and will serve two purposes.

1. To pacify the gays over gay marriage.
2. To create division among the military and destroy that institution as we know it today.

Fairly evil devious plan for a Nobel winner....

The last thing this guy is about is peace...

[edit on 11-10-2009 by northof8]