British Army Weapon's- In Detail...

Its nice to see the SA80 got a gernade launcher finally. The (UGL) should have been designed on it in the first place. The 40mm gernade can be very deadly in the right hands. Hopefully the SA80 is just going through growing pains in regard to its reliability issues. I would hate to see UK troops go through what American ones did with the early M-16s in Vietnam.

Originally posted by devilwasp
oh
i actually like the paras
thier insane
not right in the head u know what i mean?

Ahah,My dad would back that up. He was in the para's which my grandad hated. Most of my family have went in the army but I wasnt even allowed Cadets =/.
*Reconstuction*- WEEEE DOWN WE GO!

yeah i know why do you want to jump out of a perfectly good aeroplane ON PURPORSE.

Originally posted by devilwasp
yeah i know why do you want to jump out of a perfectly good aeroplane ON PURPORSE.

Because its fun to scare the sh*t out of yourselves - don't knock it to you have tried it.

This is unexpected coming from you after seeing you avatar! LOL



[edit on 29-7-2004 by Popeye]

Originally posted by devilwasp
iv never used a SA-80 but iv fired a L-98 now both are of simliar design except ones auto and ones not.

I was in the ATC for 5 years and fired both weapons the SA80 and L98. These two weapons are quite different in design the main difference being the sights and the fact the L98 needs to be recocked after each shot.

I remember going to a range at RAF Sealand to shoot the L98 not long after they had been introduced as the cadet weapon and found that after cocking the weapon the cocking handle would break of leaving you with no option but to fire a round off with half the rifle missing.

As for the ATC being bumbling.... well I think that depends on the unit. All my local sea cadets did was band practice!!!


Cheers


Debaser

i have been trying to get some contact with anybody who currently serves in a british para regt.
i am thinking of enlisting in british army and would like to talk to someone who knows what they are talking about.
im currently in para coy RNZIR so dont worry.
every british unit that has come over to us for cross training has said we are as good as what you got back home so you wouldnt be getting some cherry who doesnt know what hes doing.
i know thats what i would be worried about.................
can anybody here help me?

I was under the impression that the biggest problem with L85 Enfield Individual Weapon is that when they modified the old EM2 design they tried to be too tricky.

As for jamming...Sterling holds 34 rounds but you never loaded more than 32 and Yanks still bash M16 mags on the helmets to settle the rounds (Blackhawk Down is NOT my source!).

When the Aussie Army changed from L1A1 SLR to F89 Austeyr there were all sorts of people moaning about what a bad decision it was. There haven't been any actual combat related complaints I've heard about.

RMs (45 Commando?) took the SA80 to Afghanistan, the only major complaint I heard was about the cold affecting the cordite, the rounds were not guaranteed to penetrate every time. Which is why the RMs have the "Arctic Warfare Magnum" version of the L96 in .300 Winchester (or is it Remington) for use in northern Norway.

As for Paras...I've got a mate who is ex-RM, his dad was a Para...apparrently they didn't talk much the year he enlisted!

I'd like to take back the comments I made about not using the SA-80 , since the L-98 cadet GP IS the SA-80 in single shot ,lol.
Still, I like the cadet GP, nice weapon, I like the L-81 , just a bit heavy for me.

Heres a few pictures for you.One taken from the roof top of Basrah palace.
Here you get a view through the SUSAT.







[edit on 23-8-2005 by Bikereddie]

Hmmmm SA80 or decent sized rock - difficult choice.

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
Hmmmm SA80 or decent sized rock - difficult choice.

Neither...You want this one!!!



Mic

Some More Of The British Army Weapon's- In Detail...


227mm Multiple Launched Rocket System (MLRS)


Crew - 3;
Weight loaded - 24,756 kg;
Length -7.167m;
Width - 2.97m;
Height (stowed) - 2.57m;
Height (max elevation) - 5.92m;
Max Road Speed - 64 kph;
Road Range - 480km;
Engine Turbo-charge - 8 cylinder diesel;
Rocket Diameter - 227mm;
Rocket Length - 2.93m;
Rocket Weight M77 Bomblet - 302.5kg; AT2 SCATMIN 254.46kg;
Range M77 Bomblet - 11.5-32 kms; AT2 SCATMIN 39 kms.

The 227mm Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS)is a self-propelled artillery rocket system with a range in excess of 30 km. MLRS is self-loaded with two rocket pods, each containing six rockets. Loading is power assisted and a single round ‘fire for effect’ of 12 rockets delivers 7,728 bomblets or 336 anti-tank mines. Operated from hides, usually as a battery of nine launchers, MLRS avoids counter attack by ‘shooting and scooting’ – moving fast and frequently between fire-missions.


Starstreak HVM


Missile Length - 1.369 m.
Missile Diameter - 0.27 m.
Missile Speed - Mach 3+.
Maximum Range - 5 km.
Minimum Range - 300 m.

The Starstreak HVM (High Velocity Missile) is designed to counter threats from very high performance, low-flying aircraft and fast 'pop up’ strikes by helicopter attacks. The missile, which travels at more than three times the speed of sound, uses a system of three dart-like projectiles, allowing multiple hits on the target. HVM can be fired from the shoulder, from a lightweight multiple launcher of from the Stormer armoured vehicle, which is equipped with an eight-round launcher and carries another 12 missiles inside the vehicle.


105mm Light Gun


Crew - 6.
Length Gun Forward - 8.8 m.
Height - 2.13 m.
Width - 1.78 m.
Combat Weight - 1,858 kg.
Ammunition - HE, Smoke, Illuminating, Target Marketing.
Maximum Range (HE) - 17.2 km.
Shell Weight (HE) - 15.1 kg

The versatile 105 mm Light Gun is used by the Parachute and Commando Field Artillery Regiments of the British Army. The Light Gun can be towed by a medium-weight vehicle (such as a Pinzgauer TUM/HD or Hagglund BV206 all-terrain vehicle) or carried around the battlefield underslung by a Puma or Chinook helicopter.
Royal Artillery L118 Light Guns are fitted with an Automatic Pointing System, which enables the gun to be unlimbered and in action in 30 seconds. APS is based on an inertial navigation system; operated via a touch screen, it replaces the traditional dial sight. New Light Gun ammunition is in development, with an increasingly lethal round and an extended range.


Rapier Field Standard C (FSC)


Guidance - Semi-automatic line of sight (SACLOS)
Missile length - 2.35m
Missile diameter - 0.133m
Motor - Solid-fuelled
Missile speed - Mach2+
Maximum range - 8km approx
Launch weight - 42kg
Fire unit height - 2.13m
Fire unit weight - 1227kg
Radar height (in action) - 3.37m
Radar weight - 243kg

Rapier Field Standard C (FSC) provides Low Level Air Defence over the battlefield. The system consists of a launcher with eight ready-to-fire missiles and an electro-optical tracker. each fire unit can cover an Air Defence Area (ADA) of approximately 100km square.


Mic

How about these 2 babies..

Lee Enfield 303 rifle

world.guns.ru...

SLR(FN FAL)

world.guns.ru...

Well...we've mentioned quite a few weapons so far, but we all know what the British Army's best toy is dont we...


Main Battle Tank: Challenger 2



Crew - 4
Length Gun Forward - 11.55m;
Hull Length - 8.3m;
Height to Turret Roof - 2.49m;
Width - 3.5m;
Ground Clearance - 0.5m;
Combat Weight - 62,500 kg;
Main Armament - 1 x 120mm L30 CHARM Gun (CHallenger main ARmament);
Ammunition Carried - Typically 50 rounds - APFSDS, HESH, Smoke;
Secondary Armament - Co-axial 7.62mm chain gun; 7.62mm GPMG Turret Mounted for Air Defence;
Ammunition Carried - 4000 rounds 7.62mm;
Engine - 1200bhp Perkins-Condor CV12;
Maximum Road Speed - 59km/h;
Average Cross Country Speed - 40km/h.

The superb Challenge 2 (CR2) is the British Army’s Main Battle Tank. CR2 is based on the Challenger 1 that served with distinction on operations in the Gulf War and the Balkans. Only 5 per cent of Challenger 2 components are interchangeable with its predecessor; over 150 major modifications include a completely new turret, L30 CHARM 120mm gun and second generation Chobham armour. Challenger 2’s Thermal Observation and Gunnery (TOGS) displays a magnified image for the commander and gunner. The commander has a gyrostabilised fully panoramic sight with laser range finder and thermal imager. The gunner is equipped with a gyrostabilised primary sight with a laser range finder and coaxially mounted auxiliary sight. The drivers position has an image-intensifying day and night periscope, and the loader has a day sight.


Oh yes...The mighty Challenger 2!!!

Greatest tank ever??? I think so!!!


Mic

I love the way that the UK government paid H&K to upgrade the POS SA80 to the A2 standard with almost as much money as it would have cost to re-equip the troops with new M16A4s.

The SA80 has 2 things going for it:

1. It is very accurate
2. One day it will be replaced

I can buy a Romanian SAR-1 AK-47 copy here for about $300 and I would be better served by that in combat than an upgraded SA80A2 at 4 times the price.



[edit on 23-8-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
I love the way that the UK government paid H&K to upgrade the POS SA80 to the A2 standard with almost as much money as it would have cost to re-equip the troops with new M16A4s.

The SA80 has 2 things going for it:

1. It is very accurate
2. One day it will be replaced

I can buy a Romanian SAR-1 AK-47 copy here for about $300 and I would be better served by that in combat than an upgraded SA80A2 at 4 times the price.



[edit on 23-8-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

I wouldnt say so, IMO its not that bad a rifle actually.
Oh and PS, why the fk would want american rifles?

Even More Of The British Army Weapon's- In Detail...


AS 90


Crew - 5
Length - 9.07m
Height to turret roof - 2.49m
Width - 3.5m
Ground clearance - 0.41m
Main armament - 1 x L31 39-calibre ordnance
Ammunition carried - 48 x 155mm rounds
Secondary armament - 1 x 7.62 GPMG on turret for air defence.
Engine - Cummins VTA903T turbocharged V8 660bhp diesel.

AS90 is a 155mm self-propelled gun that equips six Field Regiments of the Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Artillery. Fitted with a standard barrel, AS90 can fire the NATO L15 unassisted 155mm projectile (96lbs) 24.7 km. With a long (52 Calibre) barrel the gun can reach out to 30 km using standard ammunition, and 60-80 km with Extended Range (ERA). AS90 is equipped with an autonomous Navigation and Gun Laying system (AGLS) based on the vehicles inertial navigation system, the Dynamic Reference Unit (DRU). All main turret functions are controlled by the Turret Control Computer (TCC).


Aircraft Used By The British Army

Apache AH Mk1 (WAH 64 Apache Longbow)


Crew: 2
Gross Weight: 7,746 Kgs
Engines: 2 x 850 shp Rolls Royce RTM-322
Maximum speed: 330 kph
Cruise Speed: 272 kph
Service ceiling: 3,505 m
Combat radius Approx: 462 km
Armament: 16 x Hellfire missiles, 76 x 2.75" rockets, 1200 x 30mm cannon rounds
Surveillance/Target Acquisition: TV (127 x mag), Thermal Imaging (36 x mag), Direct view optics (18 x mag)

Designed to hunt and destroy tanks and other difficult and important targets, the Westland Apache Longbow provides a major enhancement to the Army’s operational capability. The aircraft can operate in all weathers, day or night, and can detect, classify and prioritise up to 256 potential targets at a time. Apart from the distinctive ‘Longbow’ mast-mounted radar, the aircraft is equipped with a 127x magnification TV system,36x magnification thermal imaging, and 18x magnification direct view optics. Apache Longbow can carry 16 Hell-fire ‘fire-and-forget’ anti-armour missiles, 76 2.75in rockets and a 30mm chain gun.


Gazelle Helicopter


Crew: 2+3 passengers
Length (Fuselage): 9.53m;
Height: 3.18m;
Rotor Diameter: 10.5m;
Maximum Speed: 265 kph;
Cruising Speed: 233 kph;
Range: 670km;
Engine: 592 shp Turbomeca/Rolls-Royce Astazou 111N2;
Weight: 1,800 kg (max take off);
Combat Radius Approx: 100 Km with 2 hour loiter.
Armament: 2 x 7.62mm machine guns (not a standard fitting).

The primary role of Gazelle is observation and reconnaissance. It is a vital component of anti-tank helicopter operations and is also used in a wide variety of supporting roles - Air Observation Post(AOP) – to direct Artillery fire, Airborne Forward Air Controller(ABFAC) – to direct ground-attack aircraft, casualty evacuation, liaison, and command and control, and communications relay. Equipped with a Ferranti AF 532 stabilised, magnifying observation aid.


Lynx Helicopter AH 7 and AH9


Crew 2(3 with door gunner) + 10 troops
Length (Fuselage) 12.06m;
Height 3.4m;
Engines 2 x 850 shp Rolls-Royce Gem 41
Max Speed 330 kph;
Cruising Speed 232 kph;
Range 885km;
Combat radius approx 100kms with 2 hour loiter
Weight (max take off) 4.763 kg;
Armament (if fitted) 8 x TOW Anti-armour Missiles, 2-4 7.62mm GPMG machine guns

Fast and agile, the Lynx is a deadly tank-killer when equipped with eight TOW anti-armour missiles. Lynx is the British Army’s primary battlefield utility helicopter. Two versions are in service with the Army – the AH7 with skids, and the wheeled AH9. Lynx helicopters can also carry missile counter-measures, a stabilized roof sight and door guns.



Mic

Warrior Infantry Fighting

The Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle has the speed and performance to keep up with Challenger 2 Main Battle Tanks over the most difficult terrain, and the firepower and armour to support infantry in the assault. A highly successful armoured fighting vehicle, Warrior can be fitted with Enhanced Armour and is continuously being updated; for example, the Battlegroup Thermal Imager (BTI) is being fitted to increase its night-fighting capability.
Warrior infantry command and section vehicles carry a turret mounted 30 mm Rarden cannon that will defeat light armoured vehicles out to 1,500 m. An 8x magnification image-intensifying night sight is fitted, and eight 94 mm Light Anti-Armour Weapon (LAW) HEAT rockets can be stowed in the vehicle.

Warrior variants include artillery observation post vehicle (OPV) and command post vehicle (CPV), and a Royal Mechanical and Electrical Engineers (REME) recovery and repair vehicle. All variants are equipped with a 7.62 mm chain gun: both chain gun and Rarden cannon have an anti-helicopter capability.

Crew 3 + 7 troops.
Hull Length 6.34 m.
Height to Turret Roof 2.791 m.
Width 3.034 m
Ground Clearance 0.49 m.
Combat Weight 24,500 kg.
Main Armament 1 x 30 mm L21 Rarden cannon.
Secondary Armament Co-axial 7.62 mm chain gun. Smoke grenade dischargers.
Engine Rolls Royce CV8 diesel.
Maximum Speed 75 kph.
Maximum Range 660 km.

Warrior


Crew 3 + 7 troops.
Hull Length 6.34 m.
Height to Turret Roof 2.791 m.
Width 3.034 m
Ground Clearance 0.49 m.
Combat Weight 24,500 kg.
Main Armament 1 x 30 mm L21 Rarden cannon.
Secondary Armament Co-axial 7.62 mm chain gun. Smoke grenade dischargers.
Engine Rolls Royce CV8 diesel.
Maximum Speed 75 kph.
Maximum Range 660 km.

The Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle has the speed and performance to keep up with Challenger 2 Main Battle Tanks over the most difficult terrain, and the firepower and armour to support infantry in the assault. A highly successful armoured fighting vehicle, Warrior can be fitted with Enhanced Armour and is continuously being updated; for example, the Battlegroup Thermal Imager (BTI) is being fitted to increase its night-fighting capability.
Warrior infantry command and section vehicles carry a turret mounted 30 mm Rarden cannon that will defeat light armoured vehicles out to 1,500 m. An 8x magnification image-intensifying night sight is fitted, and eight 94 mm Light Anti-Armour Weapon (LAW) HEAT rockets can be stowed in the vehicle.

Warrior variants include artillery observation post vehicle (OPV) and command post vehicle (CPV), and a Royal Mechanical and Electrical Engineers (REME) recovery and repair vehicle. All variants are equipped with a 7.62 mm chain gun: both chain gun and Rarden cannon have an anti-helicopter capability.



Striker


Crew 3.
Length 4.8 m.
Height 2.2 m.
Width 2.4 m.
Ground Clearance 0.35 m.
Combat Weight 8,130 kg.
Armament Swingfire SACLOS anti-armour missiles.
Secondary Armament 1 x 7.62 mm GPMG.
Ammunition Carried 10 Swingfire missiles, 7.62 mm x 3,000 rounds.
Engine Cummins B6 diesel.
Maximum Speed 80 kph

The Tank Hunter of the family, Striker is a CVR(T) with a primary role to destroy enemy armour. The vehicle carries 10 swingfire anti-tank missiles, with a range of up to 4,000 m. Five of these missiles are carried in launch bins on top of the vehicle. The missile is tracked by the controller using a direct optical or thermal sight mounted on the vehicle, or a separate optical sight that can be deployed up to 100 m away, with the Striker in cover.



Saxon


Crew 2 + 10 troops.
Hull Length 5.16 m.
Height 2.63 m.
Width 2.48 m.
Ground Clearance (axles) 0.33 m.
Combat Weight 10,670 kg.
Main Armament 1 x 7.62 mm GPMG.
Engine 164 bhp Bedford 600 6-cylinder diesel (Cummins BT 5.1 fitted to IS variant).
Maximum Speed 96 kph.
Maximum Range 510 km.
Armour Proof against 7.62 mm rounds at point-blank range

Saxon is a wheeled Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC) capable of travelling across rough terrain and fording water obstacles up to 90 cm depth. The vehicle has excellent battlefield mobility and is extremely versatile.
Saxon variants in service include a Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (REME) recovery vehicle; armoured ambulance; command post vehicle; internal security version; and vehicles modified to carry an L37 General Purpose Machine Gun (GPMG) turret.



Samson


Length 4.79m;
Width 2.43m;
Height 2.25m;
Weight 8.74 tonnes;
Max Road Speed 72.5kph;
Engine Jaguar 4.2 litre;
Crew Commander, driver and crew;
Armament 7.62mm machine gun.

Samson is a derivative of the CVR (T) Vehicle (Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance Tracked) - it is the Armoured Recovery Vehicle for all the vehicles in this class.


Mic



Edit: Sorry Devilwasp, didnt realise you had done the Warrior!

[edit on 23/8/2005 by MickeyDee]

SA80 A2 isn't a bad weapon now. It is about on par with the M16 in my books, Susat wins it a few more points. It is far more reliable that the A1, and you can even use it in sand and ice now without it #ing up!!! Plus the new magazines work. (Was chatting to an Army mate about this...)

I'd take pretty much any other weapon I could grab though, if I got the chance. Neither one is reliable enoguh for my liking. Plus the M16 is plastic... and ever seen plastic when shot? Your hands would be buggered.