All right, I could try to explain what I mean by my question, but my definition may not make sense, so the best way to demonstrate what I'm getting at is by doing a very simple experiment. It's very easy:

I want anyone reading this to close your eyes for just six seconds and think of an apple. All you have to do is remember what the apple looked like.

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Now, you thought of an apple, right? What color was it? Green? Red? A little of both? Now, was there a reason that your apple was a certain color? Did you tell your mind, let's make a red apple, or did a red apple just pop up? And if that happened, why didn't your mind make it green?

Did the apple have a stem? How about a leaf? Did you tell your mind to give it them? Where was your apple? On a tree, or a table, or a hand? Did you say, before you pictured that apple, I'm going to make a red apple with a stem, but no leaf, and put it on a table?

Chances are, absolutely not. Here lies my question. The apple just appeared, right? Before people talk, they think of what to say (so long as they're not politicians). But what comes before people think? Thoughts cannot come out of nothing, can they? But before you think something to yourself, before you think of a response, there is silence in your mind. How do coherent thoughts come out of no where? Why was your apple not green (or red)?

i wish i knew i would buy one and give this thread some consideration.

ps please excuse any spelling errors as i typed with my eyes shut for the first 6 seconds.

and i didnt think apple when i opened them i thought doughnut .. as in what kind of doughnut asks a question like that.

so its on topic i indeed had a thought.


hope you will forgive my impudence in having abit of fun with you.



[edit on 10-10-2009 by manxman2]

My apple was green with a stem and no leaves. It was green because i like green apples more than the red ones. However at one point it did turn red for a second and then back to green.

It was alone it a white plane.

Yeah I’m going to hang around this thread. I have always wonder what others think of were thoughts come from. We know memory is in the brain. But have thoughts ever been measured /found in the brain? S&F

I thought of an apple. I thought about it because I thought a bunch of things before that lead me to this thread that said I should think of an apple.

The first image looks like what's usually kept around the house, green and red, whatever that is. It had a stem, no leaves. It sat upon an invisible black surface in a black void. It smelled like the fall outdoors.

But soon, I was think of many things by association: Apple Computer, Isaac Newton, Gravity, Micochips, Trees, etc.

Now, I'm thinking of the Brady Bunch (pork chops and apple sauce), pigs, swine flue, The Stand, Steven King, live in sin, come on in, Storm of the Century, 2012, even numbers, what time is it? 7:43, lots of sevens, TMBG, that thread where I posted a video of that, what is the next thing? OMG. Neurons, memory, dopamine levels, schizophrenia, I have mild gas after eating Grape Nuts, nuts, applesauce, apple, set your piggies free.

[edit on 10/10/2009 by EnlightenUp]

Stop making thoughts to see where thoughts come from (like imagination of an apple), cant be done.

Stop thinking or talking about where thoughts come from, as this is just more thoughts.

Soup cannot know the chef who made it.

RELAX

NOW

LOVE

Sit everyday, meditate, just by watching the thoughts, being aware of them, dont push them away, dont pull in more, just be aware.

Over time the gaps between thoughts are noticed.

Then later the muck and hidden quiet thoughts in what you thought lol were the gaps will be seen.

Do the same as before.

One day real space and silence is found.

It gets bigger the space and time between thoughts and jumping about of the mind.

Then also one day the arising of and dissolution of the thoughts becomes more clear.

Eventually where and what creates the thoughts is known, which cant be put into words anyhow, it needs to be experienced.

Enjoy

Elf.

i keep thinking apple for six seconds .. and all i see when i open my eyes is some kind of monty python sketch with issac newton taking one to the ear whilst walking under a tree..

its a red apple with a couple of cutsie little leaves.






ive done it again ive taken the pi$$ totally uncalled for aswell.



however due to re-reading your initial post i have to wonder why my first thought instinctively was to take the pi$$.

i will ponder it awhile .. dont wait up.


edited in after posting to say i now see i wasnt the only one issac came to mind with.

[edit on 10-10-2009 by manxman2]

Actually i would like to add that other thing i thought of other than what i described above

at one point i also saw the apple in a "matrix"

just a grid with intersecting lines in 3D with the apple in there, but hey i also watched a bit of matrix reloaded yesterday



[edit on 10-10-2009 by The Legacy]

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Soup cannot know the chef who made it.

RELAX

NOW

LOVE

NO! I don't like this restaurant. Silence is a golden delicious.

Real space and silence are apple seeds.

Tip over the roller coaster.

If everything is part of the Original Thought, I'd say our thoughts are all one big consciousness having this experience, for the purpose of the experience. But if we are individuated parts of the whole, then our thoughts must be mingled in with everyone else's, how can we tell which ones are our own?

So our test here must be -- how will we react to the thoughts that are presented to us?

Originally posted by The Legacy
at one point i also saw the apple in a "matrix"

just a grid with intersecting lines in 3D with the apple in there, but hey i also watched a bit of matrix reloaded yesterday

Is it possible that the apple is the One?

Thoughts. Where do they come from? I have given that a lot of thought.

Thoughts are an endless supply of knowledge that our mind transfers to us via

the brain. As we go to sleep at night DMT is released which allows us access to

the thought multiverse. Thoughts come from the place as the big bang came

from, either by intelligent design or random happenings. With every thought

comes endless choices. So by that we are guided by our thoughts, hence

comes responsibility for our own actions. As geneticists unravel DNA they will

discover the code which will unlock the door to the thought multiverse.

Thoughts come from experiences imprinted on the brain.

I_R