NWO or Type 1 Civilization?

I have a lot to say on the subject - and just deleted a lengthy post in reply - I will try again.

I fully understand the NWO agenda - I developed basically an identical plan before the age of 20. At that time - I had no idea that the NWO existed and little about history or world events. My plan had a simple purpose - to unite humanity into a monarchic world government, eliminate religion and put all possible effort into science.

The processes I envisaged were almost identical to the current NWO - although my plan called for a great deal more death and violence.

So - I consider I understand the NWO methodology quite well.

All very well - if you get to run it. The other thing that disturbs me about the NWO plan - is that I am completely uncertain as to whether they have the same final stage of in their plan as was in mine, which was liberation - however, I included constant use of selective breeding, eugenics and genetic engineering, along with social engineering.

However, over many years I came to understand the power of cooperation, and education. The process is slower at first - but once a cultural change is made - it does not need enforcement. Education and financial incentives can also cause improvement in genetic material - without the need to resort to sterilization or killing.

The NWO plan is the same as my first plan - the problem is at the end, it requires a relinquishment of power. I think that is not possible without first educating and creating a sustainable culture. Also - I do not think it is possible for those who are in total control to relinquish that control. That I came to see as a flaw in my original plan.

So are we headed for a type I civilization? Not under the current forced globalization - no we are not.

We are instead headed for violent revolution, and possible destruction of the entire western society for little benefit.

The NWO might have noble end goals - but they will not be able to relinquish power - neither will they be able to create a true culture of empowered understanding. These failures will either lead to total destruction of social order ie. anarchy - or they will lead to an ongoing stunted result from humanities efforts, because of restrictions in education, especially in the field of holistic thinking - which would be dangerous to promote if you wish to retain control.

Globalization must occur through transfer of language and culture - through the destruction of fixed modes of thinking, expressly, beliefs. In the long term, I feel that religion must either cease to exist, or be relegated to a philosophical rather than practical domain - ie. no set moral codes or religious law, or physical practices such as prayer, or pilgrimages.

The tools to achieve successful globalization are already with us. Television, transportation and education are the tools that morally should be used to develop a global culture. While subset cultures can always be allowed to remain - a global civilization must live under a certain set of common values.

Common values must either be transportable across all cultural divides, or those cultural barriers must be slowly extinguished by contact and tolerance for other cultures. The only way to do it peacefully is to use a common language, and use mass media and education to promote common cultural values.

Transportation, and relocation can and must be used to force cultural integration of diverse groups. Groups with divergent values must be forcibly placed in limited areas, and stress applied. All the while - a consistent message of integration must be applied through mass media and education.

Divergent groups must not be allowed to exist in isolation, whether geographical or social. They must be forced into proximity and compromises must be attained within the over arching set of common values.

I would expect this process to take perhaps an 100 or more years if they were started today, and held it as a global priority.

At the base of this revised plan would be education in what I call holistic thinking - that is a process of inferential thought, that discards all belief.

Without a common set of values, then a global society is unable to function. You can set up every kind of system you like, but without some cultural commonality - it will lead to social unrest, resulting in either revolution or civil war.

As far as I am able to assess it - the NWO agenda does not manage to address that issue. Neither does it address the social divide that would be created by failing to set aside power.

So - again - the NWO are leading us to destruction - not utopia - and they must be stopped.

reply to post by Amagnon

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Star for you.

Thank you for a well thought out response. There are a few things I disagree with but for the most part your opinion seems valid.

Thanks again.

reply to post by Amagnon

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Great Post.

Just curious.

How would a charismatic individual figure in all of this?

Guess what I am saying is if you believe that such a figure could make up for what the NWO fails to address?

Kinda like making people believe that the whole thing is possible. Blind faith.

Hope it makes sense.

Regarding alien civilizations - that they exist is almost certain.

They may exist extra dimensionally to us - either by use of technology, or by natural law.

Energy consumption is a narrow way to define them - and I would consider it foolish to use as a measure. A better measure would be transportation, communication, investigation (sensors, science, mental processes) and physical capability (medicine, genetics, intelligence, weapons).

The measure of energy is a useful tool, as long as you only use it to compare the amount of energy - not try and define its source.

It is possible that an alien civilization could be billions of years more advanced than us. If that is the case, then it is certain that they have investigated our planet - and likely instigated or altered our course of creation and development.

The types of transportation they might use would likely be varied - the standard saucer craft is then more likely to originate from a terrestial or solar source - rather than being extra solar. This is just based on the idea that craft would be variable in type and dimension.

Large craft should also be expected - with sun or planet sized craft being entirely possible - down to microscopic craft that we may never detect - whether small in reality - or simply small due to weak interaction in our dimensions. Also craft that are ghost like and able to pass entirely through solid objects should not be discounted.

Our race may be the product of ET's in our entirety - whether as a computer simulation (high probability) or as an experiment (only slightly lower probability).

If alien civilizations exist - and it is almost certain that they do - then some at least are almost certainly aware of us. Whether they chose to interact is not our choice - but theirs - it seems unlikely we will detect them, unless they want us to. Unless of course they are fairly basic - like less than a thousand years more advanced.

If we search for them using electromagnetic radiation - then we are probably doomed to failure. They will most likely use some other method of communication - quantum entanglement, or field vibration - or access outside of our standard dimensions.

Faster than light travel seems very likely for an advanced civilization - and they possibly extra dimensional travel.

I also wouldn't rule out civilizations existing inside our solar system - especially the Sumerian tablet possibility of Planet X - it seems to have a fairly valid data set.

In short - our imagination is weak with regard to the endless possibilities an extra billion years of focused scientific thought might unlock.

While my last post probably offended the religious anyway - I wasn't going to mention that I feel the NWO are trying to use religion - specifically fundamentalist Christian, Islamic and Judaism as a means of control

This is really one of the major problems I have when I am am obtaining data points for their plans. It seems entirely possible that due to these religions having a common basis - or one God - that an attempt will be made to bring everyone into a mental state that is abhorrent to me - that of blind faith.

Then using mind control - and other either alien or high tech devices (and possibly psycho active drugs) they will create an impression that this single God has fulfilled all the requirements of each religion and has returned to Earth - or rather his physical messenger has returned.

If this is the case then it would be possible to unify the different religions and control them with a single 'divine' personage.

The reasons why I consider this abhorrent should be obvious - the basic premise is that thought will be an offense. It will be enslavement, not only physically - but of the human spirit. That part of man with which I have the highest affinity, being disbelief, and the endless question - would be extinguished.

Perhaps I give them too much credit - it is certainly an outrageous idea - but within the context of fanning religious extremism of all types, Christian within the US - and Islamic within the Arab states, and Judaism within Israel - it seems perhaps not such a far fetched concept.

So yes - I consider your 'charismatic personage' suggestion a possibility.

reply to post by Amagnon

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Please elaborate!

I only see the NWO agenda in the here and now. What do you perceive that they have in store for us?

My meaning was I understand it conceptually - not necessarily the details - nor the final outcome. I mean I understand the principles needed to unite the world into a single government.

However, looking at the events and also drawing on some esoteric sources my conclusions would be;

They intend to create a globalist government - control will be based on ignorance and division, dependency, force and propaganda. These are the methods they have used so far - so, it seems most likely they will continue to use them.


Ignorance and division.

Over emphasizing differences, legislating, sensationalizing the following;

Religion, patriotism, undermining the principles of scientific thought, control of education at all levels, peer review of science, political correctness, false issues, polarized politics, intolerance, racism, sexism, feminism, extremism, social injustice, cultural segregation, immigration - many more.


Dependency

Financial systems, money, utilities, government assistance, social security, food distribution, regulation, population concentration, corporate farming, water control, invention of mental illness, use of additives to create sickness, culture of over consumption - and many more.


Force

Patriotism, culture of military superiority, culture of military support, defense spending, intervention, nuclear arsenal, intelligence spending, intelligence operations, sanctions, bribes, coercion, military bases, fleets and much more of course.


Propaganda

Use of all forms of media, paid experts, polarized false two sided arguments, censorship, infiltration into all nations, discrediting other sources eg, internet - many others.


At the moment the system of fiat money has hit a theoretical limit - it is at the point where debt expansion must increase in an almost vertical way - thus all the deficit spending. The monetary system is based on the creation of debt - without debt there is no money - without money then economies stop. The problem is that debt expansion is exponential - and now it has almost arrived at its vertical asymptote.

This isn't just a US problem - it is a global problem. The amount of debt far exceeds the value of all goods and services in the world - and the debt needs to be reconciled - however it is not possible without a total collapse.

SO, with the fiat money system about to self destruct. The problem is that the underlying assets are a fraction of the value of the debt - so that basically 90% of all debt is required to default - globally.

Obviously it is destruction of the entire financial system - as bad debt is reconciled - all the banks go bankrupt - and the world economy stops.

The globalists control the banks - in fact they are its main source of revenue - if the banks go out - then they are going to lose everything.

Obviously they detected this situation in advance - so they lowered interest rates gloablly and inveted ways to expand debt to its maximum level - to ensure the crash. Then as the economy contracts in deflation (as it must) loans against assets begin to default.

You must understand that the banks who make loans don't have the money they make a loan with - it is created out of thin air. Then that promise to pay you, is balanced against a real asset that you pony up. If you default - they get the real asset.

So the plan is to force as much default as possible by holding the global and US economy in deflation - this means all those assets are returned to the bank - effectively they are simply looting all the assets of the US and the world. I see no reason why they will not continue this looting spree for as long as possible - they will not want to resell the assets - because fiat currencies MUST be devalued - GLOBALLY - and soon.

This means real assets are commodities, real estate, resources and so on.

Once they have all the wealth in assets - then it is safe to pull the trigger and collapse the system. The so called 'toxic' assets and other accumulated assets will be moved OUT of those banks that are going to collapse - you have seen this as the Fed has taken on a lot of them - in the UK BArclays bank set up a subsidiary bank (Posiodon I think its called) to take all this so called toxic material.

When they crash the system - then all those assets should immediately appreciate - while the original host banks go under.

They will then effectively have stolen most of the worlds commercial and residential real estate.

After that they will probably impose as strong a government as possible - its possible they will force a merger into NAFTA for the America's. The IMF will be granted the authority to issue currency for the western world - a new fiat system will start from the ground up.

This is wholesale theft - then reorganization of nations and governments.

If you want to benefit and survive - get as many credit cards as you can - then spend it all on gold and silver (edit:use cash advance! ) - hide it - then go bankrupt. Obvuiously you need to be in a certain position to do this - ie. you are basically bankrupt anyway.

Also - if you have a house or something - defend the repossession in court - chances are they wont have authority - or wont have the paper work.

Gold and silver will be worth a lot - plus you will have taken some money from the banks at least. With gold and silver - there should be no way for them to prove you own it.


This is just my theory - no idea on time frame - and dont blame me if Im wrong

[edit on 17-10-2009 by Amagnon]

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I agree on most of your points.

The agenda is complex, mind boggling, some tactics are in broad daylight, some hidden.

Makes you wonder where TPTB are hiding. But I suspect they are hiding right out in the open.

You hint that aliens are somehow involved and maybe it was more than a hint. But I believe that is the case as I really can't believe that a group of humans could be so well organized to bring about world control which seems to be the goal.

I see it as off world types or individuals that have been here a long time but are far superior to the humans they are subjugating. I don't even think they get together with a room of say Bilderbergers and Rothschields and discuss tactics. I think it is more like mind control as you mentioned. Something very advanced.

And no, I don't have any direct proof but in my mind that scenario is the only one that fits the system.

It's been very fulfilling reading through this entire thread; it's not easy to find a group of people actively debating the pros and cons of a Type 1 Civilization (T1C) and how it contrasts and compares with a NWO. As many of you have expressed, the notion of a T1C can go beyond Michio Kaku's definition, or even Kardashev's energy consumption scale. A Type 1 Civilization would entail a vast re-imagining of many aspects of our society, and most difficult of all, replacing the institutions that keep us stuck in this stagnant status quo.

While scientific and technological progress (including those technologies that are kept from us) has been rapidly advancing, we have not been allowed as a society to adapt to these changes so that we may cope with the vast amounts of information we now have access to. Clinging to ideologies that do not account for rapid scientific and technological development can be dangerous. The cognitive dissonance that can arise from not knowing how to deal with all this information can manifest itself into many faces, most common of which are apathy and acquiescence. Most people either do nothing, or follow blindly. A few, but a crucial few, realize that neither of these choices will do. Not now. Not anymore.

We've heard for decades that a new dawn for humanity is approaching. Michio Kaku or Kardashev were not the first to make predictions that this or that generation would be the one to transcend into a technological utopia. However, the mere fact that we are discussing this very topic, with the Internet as a medium, points to the presence of unique, new elements in the equation. We are now, for the first time in history, equipped with the necessary tools to steer clear of a future that seems exceedingly grim. If we are to make it to a Type 1 Civ, we have to cease being mere passengers, and take the reins from our drivers if we are to avoid plunging into oblivion.

Slayer, thanks for starting this thread, and allowing for this conversation to take place. Like you mentioned, it doesn't matter if we agree or disagree, just as long as a meaningful and productive debate comes from this. As such, I would like to invite you all to visit our website, where we have attempted to envision how a path to a Type 1 Civilization might be drawn, and how such a society would operate. Any allusions to spiritual terms are meant to be metaphorical or allegorical. I urge you all to nitpick, criticize, deconstruct and analyze everything and anything contained within the texts. Any and all criticism is encouraged, for it is a collective issue that requires collective answers. We are all a part of this debate. This is our future we're talking about after all, and if not ours, then our children's, and if not theirs, then their children's. We, the people, the ruled, cannot just sit idly by and let our proverbial masters dictate where we are headed; not without our knowledge, and not without our permission.

I thank you all for your patience and for allowing a new voice into your forum.

Type 1 Civilization

Whether you agree or disagree with the principles outlined on Type1Civ is irrelevant. That you have something to say though, is. Welcome to the discussion.

Again, thank you.

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I thanks you for your contribution.



There are going to be even more obstacles in our path than we have already overcome thus far IMO.

I honestly don't imagine a "Utopia" People will still be people and we will still squabble over things. But if we can get the killing and all the other more extremes of human behavior to a minimum we may have a shot at it.

Time will tell.

One of my favorites...

This has always been one of my favorite topics. The achievement of Type 1 would be a great day for our civilization. But I also agree that this is still a bit difficult to achieve. Still, we probably will get there sooner or later.

I have been looking forward to colonization or other worlds like the moon and Mars, if you can no longer expand here on Earth then why not look for another planet to do it all over again. Who knows, we might even colonize Europa from top to bottom

Once again, great topic!!!