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Are the Russians behind the Attacks

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posted on May, 16 2004 @ 04:21 PM
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Being that I was very interested in Spetsnaz operational plans throughout the 1980's in the prelude to a possible nuclear confrontation with the Soviet Union and found out what most if not all of the U.S. vulnerabilities are in respect to irregular forces (terror) attacks (I will not detail them because many still exist today) lets just say that airliners were part of the plans. I took notice of this article when I came across it today.

Grey Terror

Excerpt from Nyquist article,
"Russian Spetsnaz commandos are trained as paratroopers, explosives experts, terrorists and assassins. According to Suvorov, World War III will not begin with conventional military operations, or even with massed nuclear missile strikes. On page 196 he describes “a series of large and small [terrorist] operations the purpose of which is, before actual military operations begin, to weaken the enemy’s morale, create an atmosphere of suspicion, fear and uncertainty, and divert attention of the enemy’s armies and police forces to a huge number of different targets….” According to Suvorov: “The principle method employed at this stage is ‘grey terror.’” This is a kind of terror that is carried out “in the name of already existing extremist groups not connected in any way with the Soviet Union, or in the name of fictitious organizations.”

Suvorov claimed that “grey terror” would have a psychological warfare component. The Russian special services, he wrote, would launch a scandal parade. Dirt would be invented, created or dug up on America’s leaders, on America’s defense establishment and on America’s friends abroad. According to Suvorov, various nations would begin to distrust their leaders. The peace movement, he wrote, would make use of these scandals. “In many countries there are continual demands to make the country neutral and not to support American foreign policy, which has been discredited.” When America’s international support erodes away, explained Suvorov, the “grey terror” gathers in scope and “reaches its peak.” The next stage is pink terror, “when active military operations have not yet begun and there is still peace, but when some of the best spetsnaz units have already gone into action.” This leads directly to “red terror” – which is open warfare between major powers".

Now to some here that did not live through the cold war this sounds totally implausible, older people may recall things differently.

What he has to say in the above excerpt has uncanny parallels with todays war on terror and its evolving political fallout separating governments and people into ideologically opposed positions.

Just wanted to post this as a possibility to consider since this is after-all a conspiracy site.

BTW, Nyquist has some links tied into this article and they make for interesting if not entertaining reading reading.




posted on May, 16 2004 @ 04:47 PM
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pfffft........uhhhh...................no
i still don't see the russian link



posted on May, 16 2004 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by silQ
pfffft........uhhhh...................no
i still don't see the russian link


In the body of the article this is found,
Cibulka was not surprised by Hucin’s claim regarding Atta. According to Cibulka, al Qaeda is the child of the Communist Bloc and its rogue state allies. “[Al Qaeda] is supplied and trained by Iraq,” said Cibulka in a 2003 interview. “But the real brains behind this global terrorist campaign against the free world … is in fact the Russian GRU. Moscow fights against the United States with a hidden hand.”

pffft....uh you did not read very far or more likely you rejected the infomation out of hand.



posted on May, 16 2004 @ 05:02 PM
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Unless Putin was seriously wanting to resurrect the USSR and put communism back on the global power list I dont see this as very plausable. However I will say that Russia, rather the former USSR has a known history of manipulation and secret wars. With that in mind it could very well be possible but highly unlikely.



posted on May, 16 2004 @ 05:22 PM
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Have or has anyone seriously considered Putins backround and what his ultimate policies really lead to? I don't trust him at all.



posted on May, 16 2004 @ 05:26 PM
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Not only Russia but China has been found to have helped fund terrorism against the US. I posted the article about a month ago or so, I will see if I can dig it.

Last night I was searching for information on NEOs, and somehow found a site where a former czech soldier was saying exactly what you said. He is living in the U.S now and he says that Russia is behind Al Qaeda. I also stumbled upon another forum where some russians were saying that they heard the terrorists that behaded Berg spoke in Russian when they were chanting and behading him, and that their accents were russian and not Arab.

I am not sure about this last part thou, since i don't speak Russian, but I know that communist/socialist countries use deception and even hire family members to spy on their own families.

"Posted by Honza Malina to Poohbah
On News/Activism 10/09/2003 9:08:13 PM PDT #11 of 26

I know Jeff Nyquist personally.
I was born in communist Czechoslovakia and defected from that country during the open communist era.
I know what I'm talking about.
When I was 10 years old, the STB [CZ secret communist police] waited fro me in front of my school and virtually asked me to spy on my dad just because he goes to church every day.
I had to run away.
I was so scared that I still remember it to this day.
I also had to serve in the Czechoslovak Communist military and my expertise about the communists is based on the firsthand experiences.
They use many deceptive tactics to this day.
If you read my interview with Petr Cibulka, who spent 5 hard years in the communist hard labor prison for his anti-communist political stand and who used to publish an independent newspaper Uncensored News in supposedly "free" Czech republic, you would see that your remarks can sound very stupid after reading what Mr. Cibulka has to say.

Your judgmental approach to Jeff Nyquist is not based on any facts, any expertise on your part.
The same scenario happens to me when I post my articles on the Czech Internet.
I only pointed out to the fact that you are accusing someone you surely don't know without offering any supporting arguments that would substantiate your accusatory remarks about Jeff Nyquist.
And I'm being polite too...."

Ex-spy fingers Russians on WMD

Posted by Honza Malina
On News/Activism 10/09/2003 8:29:22 PM PDT with 17 comments

The Washington Times ^ | 10-09-2003 | Honza Malina
On March 20, Russian PresidentVladimir Putin denounced the U.S.-led "aggression" against Iraq as "unwarranted" and "unjustifiable." Three days later, Pravda said that an anonymous Russian "military expert" was predicting that the United States would fabricate finding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov immediately started plying the idea abroad, and it has taken hold around the world ever since. As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take orders from the Soviet KGB, it is perfectly obvious to me that Russia is behind the evanescence of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. After all, Russia helped... "

Excerpts taken from.
209.157.64.200...


This is another forum where Honza gives more information, but I am not sure about everything this guy says thou. Scroll down to username Honza Malina.
www.rightnation.us...



[Edited on 16-5-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on May, 16 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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Thanks Muaddib, the Honza links are something I'll have to research further, the most preciant part of your post is this,
"I am not sure about this last part thou, since i don't speak Russian, but I know that communist/socialist countries use deception and even hire family members to spy on their own families".

Cheknya was part of the old Soviet Union and it is readily known that the rebels from this area are some of the most severe and cold blooded of Al-Qaida supporters, probably did do Berg beheading. Whats to say that the Russians don't have agents in place through these Cheken rebels.



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 12:05 AM
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I searched for some of the links between Saddam al Qaeda and Russia and was not surprised of what I found. These should wake up those people that were saying Saddam had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, and there definitely was, and probably there still is, also a connection with Russia, the thing is that Russia is being attacked by some Islamic extremists also.

Althou Russia seems to have done business with Saddam, and there is a clear connection that Saddam was aiding Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations, why would Russia help Saddam knowing all of this?

It seems, imo, that there are two factions in Russia, one that wants, or is trying for, Russia to return to what it was when it was called the U.S.S.R, and another side that is willing to continue to try for Russia to become more democratic. Even the U.S government knows that Russia is right now in a precarious stage, but could it be possible that it is just a ruse?

I could also be that Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations are only interested in their goals and would use anyone to reach them, changing alliances when it fits their agenda, but then why would Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations attack those that at least partially fund them?

Here it is:

"From Russia With Terror

By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 1, 2004

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Ion Mihai Pacepa, former acting chief of Communist Romania’s espionage service. In 1987 he published Red Horizons (Regnery Gateway), reprinted in 24 countries. In 1999 Mr. Pacepa authored The Black Book of the Securitate, reportedly an all time bestseller in Romania. He is now finishing a book on the origins of current anti-Americanism.

Frontpage Magazine: Welcome to Frontpage Interview, Mr. Pacepa. Let’s begin. As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take direct orders from the Soviet KGB, you are obviously armed with a wealth of information. You have written about how the Soviets armed Hussein with WMDs, and also taught him how to eliminate any trace of them. Can you talk a bit about this and tell us its connection to the “missing WMDs” in Iraq today?


Pacepa: Contemporary political memory seems to be conveniently afflicted with some kind of Alzheimer's disease. Not long ago, every Western leader, starting with President Clinton, fumed against Saddam’s WMD. Now almost no one remembers that after General Hussein Kamel, Saddam’s son-in-law, defected to Jordan in 1995, he helped us find “more than one hundred metal trunks and boxes” containing documentation “dealing with all categories of weapons, including nuclear.” He also aided UNSCOM to fish out of the Tigris River high-grade missile components prohibited to Iraq. That was exactly what my old Soviet-made “Sărindar” plan stated he should do in case of emergency: destroy the weapons, hide the equipment, and preserve the documentation. No wonder Saddam hastened to lure Kamel back to Iraq, where three days later he was killed together with over 40 of his relatives in what the Baghdad official press described as a “spontaneous administration of tribal justice.” Once that was done, Saddam slammed the door shut to any UNSCOM inspection.



FP: So was any Sărindar plan activated?

Pacepa: Certainly. The minimal version of the Sărindar plan I made for Libya’s Gaddafi. Soon after I was granted political asylum in the US, Gaddafi staged a fire at the secret chemical weapons facility I knew about (the cellar underneath the Rabta chemical complex). To be sure the CIA satellites would notice that fire and cross that target off its list, he created a huge cloud of black smoke by burning truckloads of tires and painting scorch marks on the facility. That was written in the Sărindar plan. To be on the safe side, Gaddafi also built a second production facility, this time placed some 100 feet underground in the hollowed-out Tarhunah Mountain, south of Tripoli. That was not in the Sărindar plan.

FP: It is undeniable, therefore, that Saddam had WMDs, right?


Pacepa: In the early 1970s, the Kremlin established a “socialist division of labor” for persuading the governments of Iraq and Libya to join the terrorist war against the US. KGB chairman Yury Andropov (who would later become the leader of the Soviet Union), told me that either of those two countries could inflict more damage on the Americans than could the Red Brigades, the Baader-Meinhof group and all other terrorist organizations taken together. The governments of those Arab countries, Andropov explained, not only had inexhaustible financial resources (read: oil), but they also had huge intelligence services that were being run by “our razvedka advisers” and could extend their tentacles to every corner of the earth. There was one major danger, though: by raising terrorism to the state level we risked American reprisal. Washington would never dispatch its airplanes and rockets to exterminate the Baader-Meinhof, but it might well deploy them to destroy a terrorist state. We therefore were also tasked to provide those countries secretly with weapons of mass destruction, because Andropov concluded that the Yankees would never attack a country that could retaliate with such deadly weapons.


Libya was Romania’s main client in that socialist division of labor, because of Ceausescu’s close association with Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. Moscow kept Iraq. Andropov told me that, if our Iraq and Libyan experiment proved successful, the same strategy would be extended to Syria. Recently, Libya’s Gaddafi admitted to having WMD, and the CIA inspectors found them. Why should we believe that the almighty Soviet Union, which had proliferated WMD all over the world, was not able to do the same thing in Iraq? Every piece of armament Iraq had came from the former Soviet Union—from the Katyusha launchers to the T72 tanks, BMP-1 fighting vehicles and MiG fighter planes. In the spring of 2002, just a couple of weeks after Russia took its place at the NATO table, President Putin and his ex-KGB officers who are now running Russia concluded another $40 billion trade deal with Saddam Hussein’s tyrannical regime in Iraq. That was not for grain or beans—Russia has to import them from elsewhere.


FP: Tell us about the PLO and its connection to the Soviet regime.


Pacepa: The PLO was dreamt up by the KGB, which had a penchant for “liberation” organizations. There was the National Liberation Army of Bolivia, created by the KGB in 1964 with help from Ernesto “Che” Guevara. Then there was the National Liberation Army of Colombia, created by the KGB in 1965 with help from Fidel Castro, which was soon deeply involved in kidnappings, hijackings, bombings and guerrilla warfare. In later years the KGB also created the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which carried out numerous bombing attacks on the “Palestinian territories” occupied by Israel, and the “Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia,” created by the KGB in 1975, which organized numerous bombing attacks against US airline offices in Western Europe.


In 1964 the first PLO Council, consisting of 422 Palestinian representatives handpicked by the KGB, approved the Palestinian National Charter—a document that had been drafted in Moscow. The Palestinian National Covenant and the Palestinian Constitution were also born in Moscow, with the help of Ahmed Shuqairy, a KGB influence agent who became the first PLO chairman. (During the Six-Day War he escaped from Jerusalem disguised as a woman, thereafter becoming such a symbol within the bloc intelligence community that one of its later influence operations—aimed at making the West consider Arafat a moderate—was given the codename “Shuqairy.”) This new PLO was headed by a Soviet-style Executive Committee made up of 15 members who, like their comrades in Moscow, also headed departments. As in Moscow—and Bucharest—the chairman of the Executive Committee became the general commander of the armed forces as well. The new PLO also had a General Assembly, which was the Soviet-inspired name given to all East European parliaments after World War II.



Based on another “socialist division of labor,” the Romanian espionage service (DIE) was responsible for providing the PLO with logistical support. Except for the arms, which were supplied by the KGB and the East German Stasi, everything else came from Bucharest. Even the PLO uniforms and the PLO stationery were manufactured in Romania free of charge, as a “comradely help.” During those years, two Romanian cargo planes filled with goodies for the PLO landed in Beirut every week, and were unloaded by Arafat’s men."

Excerpts taken from.

www.frontpagemag.com...


Muaddib-------------There is more in this connection than meets the eye. Is it possible that the operations of Russia to use terrorism against the United States is still underway?----------------------------------------------------------

"Oil-for-Terror?
There appears to be much worse news to uncover in the Oil-for-Food scandal.

By Claudia Rosett

Beyond the billions in graft, smuggling, and lavish living for Saddam Hussein that were the hallmarks of the United Nations Oil-for-Food program in Iraq, there is one more penny yet to drop.

It's time to talk about Oil-for-Terror.

Especially with the U.N.'s own investigation into Oil-for-Food now taking shape, and more congressional hearings in the works, it is high time to focus on the likelihood that Saddam may have fiddled Oil-for-Food contracts not only to pad his own pockets, buy pals, and acquire clandestine arms — but also to fund terrorist groups, quite possibly including al Qaeda.

There are at least two links documented already. Both involve oil buyers picked by Saddam and approved by the U.N. One was a firm with close ties to a Liechtenstein trust that has since been designated by the U.N. itself as "belonging to or affiliated with Al Qaeda." The other was a Swiss-registered subsidiary of a Saudi oil firm that had close dealings with the Taliban during Osama bin Laden's 1990's heyday in Afghanistan.

These cases were reported in a carefully researched story published last June by Marc Perelman of the New York-based Forward, relying not only on interviews, but on corporate-registry documents and U.S. and U.N. terror-watch lists. It was an important dispatch but sank quickly from sight. At that stage, the U.N. was still busy praising its own $100-billion-plus Oil-for-Food program, even while trying quietly to strip out the huge graft overlay from the remaining $10 billion or so in contracts suddenly slated for handover to the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). That was shortly before the records kept in Baghdad by Saddam began surfacing in such damning profusion that Secretary-General Kofi Annan was finally forced last month to stop stonewalling and agree to an independent investigation — though just how independent remains to be seen.

As it now appears, Oil-for-Food pretty much evolved into a BCCI with a U.N. label. The stated aim of the program, which ran from 1996-2003, was to reduce the squeeze of sanctions on ordinary Iraqis by allowing Saddam to sell oil strictly to buy food and other relief supplies. As Oil-for-Food worked in practice, however, the program gave Saddam rich opportunity not only to pad his own pockets, but to fund almost anything and anyone else he chose, while the U.N. assured the world that all was well. (For the full saga, see my article in the May issue of Commentary, "The Oil-for-Food Scam: What Did Kofi Annan Know and When Did He Know It?").

For a sample of the latitude enjoyed by Saddam, there's Treasury's announcement last week that the U.S., in its latest round of efforts to recover Saddam's loot, is asking U.N. member states to freeze the assets of a worldwide group of eight front companies and five individuals that were "procuring weapons, skimming funds, operating for the Iraqi Intelligence Service, and doing business in support of the fallen Saddam Hussein regime." The list includes a Dubai-based firm, Al Wasel & Babel General Trading, a major contractor under the Oil-for-Food program that turned out to be a front company set up by Saddam's regime specifically to sell goods (and procure arms) via the program — right under the U.N.'s approving eye. Indeed, Al Wasel & Babel's website boasts that the company was set up in 1999 especially to "cater to the needs of Iraq Government under 'Oil for Food Program.' "

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On the suppliers' list, the entries are no less intriguing. To take just one typical example: On the vague and generic lists provided by the U.N. to the public, you can see that Saddam bought both milk and oil-industry equipment from Russia. Once you see the in-house spreadsheet, however, what emerges is that Saddam bought not only oil equipment, but more than $5 million worth of milk from a Russian state oil company, Zarubezhneft. What look like diverse suppliers in various countries in some cases track back to fronts elsewhere, or to parent companies that in the graft-rich environment of Oil-for-Food clearly had enough of an inside track with Saddam to garner hundreds of millions worth of business — hidden at least to some extent from both their competitors and the wider public, which was asked to trust the U.N.

AIDING AL QAEDA?
Which brings us to back to terrorist ties, and Perelman's story of June 20, 2003, for which the reporting checks out. In brief (hang on for the ride): One link ran from a U.N.-approved buyer of Saddam's oil, Galp International Trading Corp., involved near the very start of the program, to a shell company called ASAT Trust in Liechtenstein, linked to a bank in the Bahamas, Bank Al Taqwa. Both ASAT Trust and Bank Al Taqwa were designated on the U.N.'s own terror-watch list, shortly after 9/11, as entities "belonging to or affiliated with Al Qaeda." This Liechtenstein trust and Bahamian bank were linked to two closely connected terrorist financiers, Youssef Nada and Idris Ahmed Nasreddin — both of whom were described in 2002 by Treasury as "part of an extensive financial network providing support to Al Qaeda and other terrorist related organizations," and both of whom appear on the U.N.'s list of individuals belonging to or affiliated with al Qaeda.

The other tie between Oil-for-Food and al Qaeda, noted by Perelman, ran through another of Saddam's handpicked, Oil-for-Food oil buyers, Swiss-based Delta Services — which bought oil from Saddam in 2000 and 2001, at the height of Saddam's scam for grafting money out of Oil-for-Food by way of under-priced oil contracts. Now shut down, Delta Services was a subsidiary of a Saudi Arabian firm, Delta Oil, which had close ties to the Taliban during Osama bin Laden's heyday in Afghanistan in the late 1990s. In discussions of graft via Oil-for-Food, it has been assumed that the windfall profits were largely kicked back to Saddam, or perhaps used to sway prominent politicians and buy commercial lobbying clout. But that begs further inquiry. There was every opportunity here for Saddam not solely to pocket the plunder, but to send it along to whomever he chose — once he had tapped into the appropriate networks."

Excerpts taken from.
www.nationalreview.com...


[Edited on 17-5-2004 by Muaddib]




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