posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 05:03 PM
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by silent thunder
Although there are some things which these guys are saying that are true, why do they have to blame "Capitalism" for the Chinese people being
oppressed, and having to work below minimum wage because of true SOCIALISM, aka COMMUNISM?...
If they want to blame a system for what some people are suffering, they should be blaming the true Socialist systems which have oppressed people, and
continue to oppress them...
In the U.S., and most of the first world countries true SOCIALISM is being implemented, and SOCIALIST dictatorships are being formed.
Blame true SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM, and not Capitalism...
whilst there's much to be said of the 'socialist' countries of the world (although you'll find almost no countries in recent history which have
even met the description of socialism or anything even remotely near to communism which marx would have found acceptable), there is a natural link
between capitalism and exploitation which is so strong it can't be denied.
this is not a post to tell you socialism or communism are superior (regardless of what i think on if that's true) it's simply that mccarthyism,
amongst other things, in america has created a perception that socialism/communism = bad and capitalism = freedom/good/rich.
it's very frustrating to see a total misunderstanding of the true meanings and qualities of the systems and ironically it's a direct result of
propaganda that so many people (in particular americans) have little or no real understanding of the implications of the systems. capitalism,
socialism and communism are all extremely complicated and i must also add that socialism and communism are not the same thing. communism is as big a
step from socialism as socialism is from capitalism. socialism is very much the middleground.
i think you've been on too much ats if you think in most of the firstworld countries socialism dictatorships are being formed. most european
countries are more socialist than america and yet almost all of them have a greater level of democracy than america. in fact you'll find a lot of eu
countries like the uk which have democratically voted in parties offering greater socialist policies. there is also a difference between having some
socialist policies or things like nationalising banks and actually being a socialist country. if having a few socialist policies makes your country
socialist then you've been that for many, many decades. you might not have noticed free basic schools, libraries, a police force, fire brigade etc.
are all totally socialist policies.
socialism and communism are just systems like capitalism which have no inherent link with democracy, a lack of democracy, dictators or anything. it's
been the case throughout history that many dictators have created systems which have some socialist policies and claimed to be communist/socialist
(ussr is the ultimate example) in order to gain the support of their population whilst never truly being socialist countries in the first place. it
says enough that marx's work on communism was burned and rewritten changing many key aspects in order to make stalin's russia fit the bill. the
truth is marx would turn in his grave to see 'socialist' countries like russia or china be paraded as examples of his ideas. they simply aren't
reflective at all. it is ironic that marx's ideas behind communism are to create the most freedom and happiness for the whole population whilst
ending wage slavery, alienation and exploitation which capitalism encourages. it's pretty tragic that all his work is now reduced to mccarthyist use
of it as a buzz word without any close understanding of the terms at all. if ever propaganda was evident in american society it is that they can't
even hear 'socialism' without shuddering in disgust without even a real understanding of what it is