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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
reply to post by Chovy
Ever heard of the "human race"?
If so, perhaps you should consider joining, membership is free for all who are willing to rise above the ignorance of racism, in ALL forms.
Originally posted by clcreek
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Well considering that everyone is ignorant, admission is the first step to recovery... the second step would be to get a new motto.
Originally posted by ziggystrange
I have one question for you. Why are you defending and applauding Joe Wilson in the "Racism is for Ignorant Fools" thread?
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by ziggystrange
I have one question for you. Why are you defending and applauding Joe Wilson in the "Racism is for Ignorant Fools" thread?
I'm looking you right in the eyes and I'm telling you that I will defend and applaud Free Speech every day of the goddamn year. Decorum be damned.
Are you one of those mental defectives who thinks Joe Wilson is a racist?
Because this issue — this whole issue — is not about race.
Originally posted by Monteriano
He certainly did die a racist and had plans to send all African Americans back to Africa. I suggest you read a little history about the man who destroyed the Republic before commenting on his racist behalf.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
My point is, we are not seeing a resurgence of racism in America, not real racism as I and many others remember it. What we're seeing is a war on thought.
It starts out by assailing those thoughts that most people disdain anyway, such as racism. But once we agree that all racist remarks are indicative of ignorant, tiny minds that we will not tolerate, then the war on thought moves on to another target...such as religion.
How long before religion is considered too ignorant for discussion on ATS? According to many, many ATS members, it already is.
After religion is banned on ATS, how long before nationalism is considered too ignorant and narrow-minded from a global perspective?
See, I'm not crazy about a lot of things that people think, but I'm not going to refuse to tolerate them because I think I have the moral high ground. When you play that moral high ground game, you're talking about yet one more kind of supremacy.
I mean, I tolerate lots of idiots everyday, we all do. But to refuse to acknowledge or to refuse to tolerate people because they offend us is simply another form of discrimination.
Originally posted by Eight
So yeah, there are certain words I don't like.
Originally posted by ziggystrange
In case you have not noticed, the one who labels Joe Wilson as a racist is you, Just by insisting on defending him. What's even more incriminating for the 2 of you is the simple fact that the liar was Wilson.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by Eight
So yeah, there are certain words I don't like.
Oh, I'm very impressed with your soulful urban narrative and I'll log that in my respect book:
(Must respect the urban ghetto background of some individual using the screen name Eight)
See, my contention is that there aint no racism in America today compared to the blind horror of the 1950s and 1960s. You might get your little ass whipped on occasion in a street fight, but I seriously doubt that you've ever met up with some real, down-home, Southern Democrat KKK cross-burning racists.
Because that would be a life-changing event for you. As in, you don't come back from it. The rotten-ass, oppressive, life-threatening racism of the mid-20th Century was so cruel and ragged and raw that it would turn Samuel L. Jackson into a little pink girlscout today. Racism in the 1950s and 1960s was deadly dangerous stuff, like a machete dripping blood.
But today's "racism" is leisurely, it's convenient, it's almost stylish.
Today, we can choose to be offended or not, we have selective racism, we "play the race card"... It's effeminate. OMG, he said the "N-WORD".... It's all spineless and emasculated.
What we have today is NOT "racism". What we have is mind control.
Don't get sucked in!
I'm planting a seed in your brain right now [color=lime]PING that will enable you to see through the nonsense and the false racial hysteria and the other lies that the New World Order is raining down upon you.
— Doc Velocity
— Doc Velocity
Originally posted by Stylez
Originally posted by ziggystrange
In case you have not noticed, the one who labels Joe Wilson as a racist is you, Just by insisting on defending him. What's even more incriminating for the 2 of you is the simple fact that the liar was Wilson.
No, you're wrong, Obama was lying and if you recall Obama said their is no heatlh care for illegal aliens and up to the night Obama gave that speech, Republicans wanted to add a very specific addendum to the bill which makes it very clear that none of the healthcares funding will go to illegal aliens but the democrats refused to put any language in there that specific. Rachel Maddow shows the exact paragrapgh where she believes it says illegals won't get any health care and it is the same paragrapgh they always cite and from a legal standpoint, it means absolutley nothing . Joe Wilson, what a great statesman what a courageuous gutsy thing to do. I hope more and more start calling Obama on his lies.
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
Anytime you are against someone or a group of people for a trait they cannot change, it's BIGOTRY!
As a homosexual, I see it everyday.
In fact, ours is the only group that it's still 'OK' to discriminate against and openly express bigoted comments about.
The excuses and justifications used to justify themselves simply boggle my mind. For instance, I started a thread on the Constitutionality of DOMA and the various state's laws banning same sex marriage. Do you think that the debate stayed on topic? Nope, it spiralled into excuses for bigotry.
Originally posted by ziggystrange
I beg to differ,
The decision to give, or deny care to illegals, falls on the State. The language you refer to would be an imposition on States Rights, and Conservative pundits would have jumped on that too.
In my opinion the refusal of care to anyone is inhumane, I'm not alone. That is why States make these provisions and policies. It's a Moral Imperative, not a political football.
Illegal immigration is a National issue, the GOV should be involved but Health care reform has enough enemies to address illegals and include them in the Bill. They should but they won't because it's not politically expedient.
I disagree about Wilson based on my own experience. That was no Dissent,
I'm entitled to my opinion, Am I not?
that was a Rebel Yell intended to inflame the lowest common denominator.
Originally posted by ziggystrange
I'm not certain that your hero is a racist, I suspect he is, but I'm pretty sure you are.
Originally posted by ziggystrange
In case you have not noticed, the one who labels Joe Wilson as a racist is you
Originally posted by ziggystrange
You are ignorantly defending a big mouthed jerk that made an ass of himself at the wrong time, in the wrong place, and to boot, his accusation was false.
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
In fact, the evidence heavily favors the view that race differences in IQ are environmental in origin, not genetic.
The whole article is quite the interesting read ...
All Brains Are the Same Color
Beware of selective scientific cherry picking, lest we go down The Bell Curve path once more ... or worse.
Though your point is valid, inasmuch as this very conversation is a worthy one to have, if only to clarify such misrepresentations as the one proposed in your post. But it also shows that such discourse can happen without race baiting or name calling.
Since 1979, a continuing study of monozygotic and dizygotic twins, separated in infancy and reared apart, has subjected more than 100 sets of reared-apart twins or triplets to a week of intensive psychological and physiological assessment. Like the prior, smaller studies of monozygotic twins reared apart, about 70% of the variance in IQ was found to be associated with genetic variation. On multiple measures of personality and temperament, occupational and leisure-time interests, and social attitudes, monozygotic twins reared apart are about as similar as are monozygotic twins reared together. These findings extend and support those from numerous other twin, family, and adoption studies ... This evidence for the strong heritability of most psychological traits, sensibly construed, does not detract from the value or importance of parenting, education, and other propaedeutic interventions.
Originally posted by Eight
Nice post. Also people are very myopic if they think Obama's color has nothing to do with all the attention he is getting. There are things being said and done that has never been done before. I have over heard people say they are not prejudice but they just don't want a black in the oval office.