What is your Gripe about Obama?, page 1

reply to post by jmotley

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What is your Gripe about Obama?

My biggest gripe is that people won't shut up about him.

reply to post by jmotley

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Yeah, I actually somewhat agree. It is almost like we need less deregulation but perhaps a little bit more government control and regulations. I just hope there are moderates in there and not a bunch of crazy liberals running the show which seems to be the case with some Obama admin. Czars. Being middle of the road, moderate is key the way the U.S. now. Hope Obama is taking the Clinton rout and not something entirely different. I am still in wait and see mode now.

reply to post by jmotley

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Like I said before...

Maybe it has something to do with 23 trillion dollars in guaranteed loans to criminal bankers....

Or the 95 Afghan children his air-strikes have lit on fire....

Or the continuing job losses.....

Or the expanded wars

What do people have against Obama? The exact same things they had against Bush....

Just sayin...

reply to post by jmotley

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My gripe? I think he's politically neutered and toothless. I really do appreciate his concern for the circumstances and potential for political volatility of being black in the White House and facing a GOP who's now cornered and vulnerable after losing control of the house, senate, and presidency. He can cross party lines to establish bi-partisan cooperation without being a mealy mouthed p***** about it. Aside from hardliners capitalizing on perceived tendency towards appeasement pushing him around on the defensive, reactive position - I think it sends the wrong message to world leaders to whom will try to exploit it as a weakness. We've yet to see if he can truly handle throwing elbows in the political arena, since he's treading very lightly on a delicate domestic issue. But thus far, his performance hasn't been impressive thus far in this regard.

I don't particularly care for his choice of Francis S. Collins as director of the NIH, but I'll give the man a chance to prove himself before criticizing either him or Obama for picking him.

Other than that, I'm still rather wait and see. Like Bush, Bush, and Clinton, I may hold pre-existing apprehensions, but I'll give it until mid-term elections to start forming a position on how effective his leadership is.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Read this please.

I believe that we do need more government control. Look at the mess we are in now This happened because we deregulated wallstreet.

Jesus christ, a quick look at history would make you wake up.

Government control? An answer? Maybe in some parts, but I sure as hell want less control from them.

I didn't deregulate wallstreet and I doubt you did, why is everyone generalizing people.

Certain people didn't certain things.

If a business is failing, well big woop, let it fail, don't keep the scab open...

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I love how some people really loved Clinton, I can't really see why other than he had a decent foreign policy (minus not killing Osama Bin Laden). He really didn't end up doing a whole lot....

You are kidding are you not?

Clinton with his Chief Foreign Trade Advisor, Robert Shapiro, CEO of Monsanto, brought us The World Trade Organization and NAFTA.

VP of Cargill, Dan Amstutz wrote the WTO Agreement on Agriculture (AoA) And his "Freedom to Farm" law that did away with strategic grain reserves under Clinton. " the "Freedom to Farm" law, with the objective to get the government out of supply management and food reserves, was a resounding success.??? Now the likes of Cargill, Tyson and ADM own and manage the world's food supply/security. What a sobering thought! There is no surplus of food in our world, or for that matter, this country."

Under Clinton, Monsanto's lawyer Mike Taylor gave us GMO Franken Food without any testing. He did this by declaring GMO equivalent to natural food. Obama is following in Clinton's foot steps as he and the Democratic Congress hand over US farm land to the Ag giants via the "food Safety bills" with Mike Taylor (see below) tapped as Food Czar and a Monsanto shill, Vilsack as Sec of Ag. Link

The results of Clinton's Foreign Policy
8 million people in India have quit farming, and the spate of farm suicides – the largest sustained wave recorded in history – causes a farmer to suicide every 30 minutes The rate has worsened since 2001, by which time India was well down the WTO garden path in agriculture. Link

Look to the European Union, which has policies that are planned for implementation here. Their WTO-inspired “free trade” and “Farm to Fork” laws (which are not about free trade) are already eliminating farms and farmers in the EU. The EU's rules and policies do not protect EU consumers or farmers but instead they promote trading schemes and factory farms .

Before joining the EU, the UK fed itself. One Englishman said “The EU's policies seem to be a deliberate plan to put the UK in a position where it can be starved out in very short order.” Top brass at the EU have admitted that they have already removed 60 percent of Portugal's farmers and planned to shift one million Polish farmers off their land. “Regulations are the EU's hidden weapon of mass destruction of farmers,” reports Sir Julian Rose. Link

According to a study by Jose Romero and Alicia Puyana carried out for the federal government of Mexico, between 1992 and 2002, the number of agricultural households fell an astounding 75% - from 2.3 million to 575, 000

Mexico is a case in point.

Until Carlos Salinas de Gortari became President in 1988, Mexico attempted to protect its corn production system from artificially cheap U.S. corn. Corn is the Mexican food staple and is produced by 2,500,000 farmers. Half of the land under cultivation in Mexico is dedicated to corn. The Congressional Budget Office Report on Agriculture in the North American Free Trade Agreement stated that Mexico's corn program had been a "de facto rural employment and anti-poverty program." But to ensure the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement, Mexico promulgated a series of reforms in the agriculture sector and signed away its right to protect corn in NAFTA. As a result, economists predicted that as few as 700,000 and as many as ten million farmers would be displaced during the decade after NAFTA took effect. This is a pattern repeating itself all over the world, creating problems of overpopulation in the Third World's megacities where rural people migrate to seek non-existent jobs....

Between January 1 and January 31, 1995, while most Americans were still figuring out how to break their New Year's resolutions, Philip Morris merged Kraft and General Foods into Kraft Foods; Ralston Purina sold Continental Baking Company to Interstate Bakeries Corporation, the nation's largest bread maker; Perdue Farms Inc., the nation's fourth largest poultry producer, acquired Showell Farms Inc., the nation's tenth largest poultry producer; and Grand Metropolitan proposed to acquire Pet Inc. The brand names are all that's left of the small companies which became huge conglomerates through mergers and acquisitions.

Nor is the concentration of agribusiness isolated from the rest of the economy. Wells Fargo Bank, the second largest bank in California, is among the top six shareholders of five major agriculture-related corporations: Tyson (#5), Archer Daniel Midland (#2), ConAgra (#2), Monsanto (#6), and Philip Morris (#2). The largest bank in California, Bank of America, is the nation's largest agricultural lender, including crops and real estate.

This accelerated concentration of the food industry has as much impact on the political process as it does on the dinner table. U.S. agribusiness companies, such as Cargill, the world's largest grain trading company, had a disproportionate role shaping the rules in the GATT framework. President Nixon's first trade advisor was William Pearce, a vice president of Cargill. Another Cargill alum, Daniel Amstutz, drafted the U.S. agriculture proposal for the GATT for President Reagan.


www.iatp.org...

The other agriculture system involves about 60% of Mexico's farmers who have access to the remaining 12% of arable land. This includes individual small-scale farms that produce for local markets, and farms known as ejidos. Ejidos are a system of community-owned lands which, in some cases, have been owned "in trust" by communities for centuries. Ejido lands were protected from sale as a result of the 1910 Mexican Revolution. However, a significant amount of ejido land passed into private hands during the 1980s and 1990s due to extreme credit pressures and changes to the Mexican Constitution. These constitutional changes allow, for the first time since the Revolution, the sale of ejido land to private owners. The changes were a crucial concession by Mexico to ensure the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993. www.rethinkingschools.org...

Mike Taylor Monsanto to USDA Under-Secretary
www.organicconsumers.org...

When Mike Taylor, Monsanto's attorney, went from THE FIRM (King and Spalding) to FDA (to oversee and sign off on the approval of the genetically engineered milk product) activists across America protested at the obvious conflict of interest.

What was the result?

Mike Taylor got a new job...He was promoted and became an Under-Secretary at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA).

His mission completed, one week after Clinton gained re-election, Taylor resigned from USDA and is now back at King and Spalding.

PLEASE NOTE: Although Taylor gained employment with FDA under George Bush, Taylor's efforts were aided by a bi-partisan effort...He's the second cousin of Tipper Gore, our Vice-President's wife!!!!!!!!

Corporate power in Farming: www.co.blaine.id.us...


While the Corporate owned media has everyone's attention directed towards Obama, the race card and the health Care Bill, the banksters and Ag giants are consolidating the monopoly on the USA and World food supply. Look behind the flash and smoke before you find you and yours starving along with the rest of us.

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by jmotley

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What is your Gripe about Obama?

My biggest gripe is that people won't shut up about him.

Well I have to admit that yes you cant go throughout your day without hearing sominthing about him atleast 3-4 times a day and thats if you live under a rock. But the man is trying to do something that 7 other presidents have tried and failed at and he is closer to doing it then any of them were ever. He also made historyby being the first black president. He came into office at a time when americans hada sense of urgency about who would be leading the country. Put that all together and BAM you have the most talked about president in history.

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