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Originally posted by asmall89
My gripe with Obama is he's just continuing down the same road of Bush just in a different way. He is increasing spending just as much as his predecessor. We're not getting out of our wars. Nothing has really changed, because none of them will look at the real problems of our country. People elected him thinking he'll be like Clinton and I think they're going to be very disappointed, just like how my father voted for Bush Jr. thinking he'll be like Bush Sr. Big disappointment. What I want is a Libertarian type person that will hold to their word, no bailouts & little spending, little foreign intervention, low taxes, more state power. Inflation is only inches away, the dollar has fallen quite a bit this last week, Euro=1.4720 or somewhere around that.
Originally posted by aravoth
reply to post by jmotley
Like I said before...
Maybe it has something to do with 23 trillion dollars in guaranteed loans to criminal bankers....
Or the 95 Afghan children his air-strikes have lit on fire....
Or the continuing job losses.....
Or the expanded wars
What do people have against Obama? The exact same things they had against Bush....
Originally posted by SailorinAZ
My biggest problem with him, is how he has spent so much money. I think companies should have been left to fail and other new companies would have popped up in their place.
I think that the money could have been spent in so many other better ways that actually would have created temporary and permanent jobs.
For example. (In a nutshell) To much fresh water is being dumped in to the Gulf of Mexico from the Mississippi. This is creating a salinity issue in the gulf.
I would have proposed we build a pipeline from the Mississippi River to the desert southwest and power the pumps by solar and wind. I also would have proposed we hire veterans first when possible to complete the construction.
This would have created soooooooo many jobs. Even after the great pipeline was completed, people would still need to be employed to maintain it.
As another benefit to the environment, we could have brought much needed water to the southwest.
If the Romans built those super aqueducts 2000 years ago, we surely could have built a pipeline today.
All this would have costs only a fraction of the bailout/stimulus money.
There are plenty of other building projects that could have been implemented.
Anyway, in summary. my biggest problems with Obama are his fiscal policies.
Originally posted by jmotley
I personally like Obama. While I may not agree with all his policies I do believe he is steering this country in the right direction. I believe that we do need more government control. Look at the mess we are in now This happened because we deregulated wallstreet.
Originally posted by jmotley
So all I want to know is what your problem is with our current commander and cheif. I will not answer what I can. I want to know if you believe what others have said. ie death panels. Pleaase no name calling here I would like this to be a civil discussion.
Thank you thats all I ask for Give the man a chance to prove his self
Instituting HACCP to the raw meat and poultry industries served to de-regulate it for the big players and hyper-regulate it for the smaller players. Large corporations with financial reserves and persuasive legal staff privatized the food safety function. With inspectors confined to “critical control points,” plants were free to increase the speed of their disassembly lines, a profitable practice that unfortunately encourages a lot more feces, pus and other not insignificant unmentionables to ride down the line and out the door, stamped with a purple seal of approval.....
So, just when the country is awaking to the need to relocalize its food sources, we find that many meat processors who would serve this growing market have been forced out of business by vague, onerous and costly regulations imposed under the guise of food safety.
Do we want the same thing to happen to our produce growers? Do we want to hyper-regulate those farmers whose practices do not contribute to the food poisoning problems endemic to industrially produced food products and de-regulate those whose practices poison us? No? But that's what we're being set up for with the Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009.....
While the fake HACCP program made it easier for the large players to gross more and cover up contamination with chemical sprays and irradiation, small players found it substantially more expensive and difficult to conduct business..... Food & Water Watch had examined the effects of HACCP on small meat slaughter and processing operations and found that the complexities of one-size-fits-all federal regulations was a key reason for business closings.
It's also noted in “Where's the Local Beef?” that “when USDA adopted [HACCP], all federally and state-inspected plants, regardless of their size, were required to, as well. Now these plants have to justify their plans with scientific studies and tests. They also have to set up extensive self-monitoring and recordkeeping systems. Because smaller plans often make a greater number of more complex products (such as sausages), they require multiple HACCP plans that also are more extensive.” Possibly because they have no leverage when they inspect large processors, agency inspectors “exert more oversight and enforcement action at the smaller grinders and explicitly makes them responsible for changing food safety practices at the largest plants, which are suppliers of raw material for the small plants. [In other words the small butcher gets fined for the contamination originating at the Ag cartel slaughter house Link]
One meat inspectors surveyed stated that “we've had more recalls since HACCP was implemented than I can ever remember. This should tell everyone that the inspection in the plants is not what is used to be, and I think HACCP is to blame.”
Another meat inspector complained that “[HACCP] replaced FSIS' long-standing program of meat and poultry inspection. Under the pre-HACCP system, the production of meat and poultry products was monitored at every stage by Government employees rather than in-plant production managers. The HACCP program reversed this arrangement by allowing a plant to monitor the safety of meat and poultry products.”