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Topic started on 16-9-2009 @ 01:36 PM by MagnumOverDrive

I know it's a no brainer. So many people I meet who consider themselves conservatives seem to have no idea why they are really part of a liberal organization that has not been conservative for over fifty years.

Who was the last republican president to balance the budget?..................

Dwight D. Eisenhower and he had a maximum tax rate of ninety percent for the top earners. Doesn't sound too conservative to me!

So what happened?

I'll tell you what! The moral majority hijacked the conservative party and allowed this country to be sold to the highest bidder all for the sake of a few unborn babies and a warm fuzzy feeling in their bellies.

Now I'm not saying that abortion is right or abortion is wrong but when you look at how things have gotten in this country it makes me wonder if it all was worth it.

Religion has to start taking a back seat to more important issues, mainly the economy. We have stop feeling guilty about every poor starving person on this planet and start looking out for the ones who are in a posoition to do the most good.

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reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:05 PM by Avenginggecko

reply to post by MagnumOverDrive

If you truly want a Conservative party, don't even bother trying to change or vote for Republicans. The best way to get them to change is to leave and vote third party.

There's no room left in the Republican party for intellectual Conservatives. The religious right and corporate interests don't want any conservatives worried about the Constitution, individual rights, and small government.

I'm a little confused as to your last statement. So I can't really respond to it.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:12 PM by Anjin

I think the title of your thread should have been "The Republican Party is not Conservative". it makes much more sense that way

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:17 PM by mikerussellus

reply to post by Anjin

Bingo.

That's why I left it. Will gladly return, when they start acting like conservatives again.

Until then, I'm just going to be happy with the Green/Socialist/Liberal/Communist/Van Jones for President Party.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:22 PM by MagnumOverDrive

What I mean in the last part is simply that conservatives have become strictly moral consevatives trying to concentrate on religious issues dealing with human rights etc. and not fiscal matters which should be their main focus
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The U.S. is in the best position to help other less fortunate countries improve their standard of living. If we don't start taking better care of ourselves and get our act together we aren't going to be around to do just that

I agree it's time for a third party to step up to the plate in a big way.]The time is right and maybe it is the best chance we have to save this country.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:24 PM by eldard

The Republican party is becoming extinct. Count on it.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:45 PM by mikerussellus

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Are you suggesting that they would be. . . .assimilated?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:45 PM by MagnumOverDrive

Something is going to replace it , but what? I see it fractioning into two parts.
The moral conservatives and the fiscal conservatives.
When that happens they will lose even more of their members and become a soapbox for churchladys and teatoadlers.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:47 PM by mikerussellus

reply to post by MagnumOverDrive

Or, orororororor . . . .

They could join with the constitutionalists, independents, and be bigger yet.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:48 PM by uaocteaou

There's no room left in the Republican party for intellectual Conservatives. The religious right and corporate interests don't want any conservatives worried about the Constitution, individual rights, and small government.

This is the most accurate and level headed assessment of the state of that party right now.

Star for you bro-

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:55 PM by MagnumOverDrive

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by MagnumOverDrive

Or, orororororor . . . .

They could join with the constitutionalists, independents, and be bigger yet.

I don't think the constitutionalists want any part of the republicans any more.
Independents either.

They have to start putting "America First for a Change"

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 02:57 PM by mikerussellus

reply to post by MagnumOverDrive

Well, you may be right there.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 04:09 PM by EarthCitizen07

reply to post by MagnumOverDrive

I don't know who hijacked who but being conservative has always cannotated keeping the status quo alive and well. Traditionally conservatives were well-off and law abiding, religious citizens.

Unfortunately throughout history the powerful(and always conservative) have exploited the weak and most laws were taylor-made for them to keep control over the less fortunate masses.

Off course this is not such a big issue today, especially for americans and western europeans, because on the surface everything looks correct and balanced. However, if you are poor, gay, womeniser or just an oddball you will quickly realise that some things never really change.

Cultural and religious bigotry are also of a conservative ideology. In fact these are all elitist fallacies born of ignorance, hypocrisy and greed. Since I am white that means I am god's choosen and that gives me the right to kill blacks, jews or any other minority. Sickening!

Now I don't consider myself an ultra-liberal, because I reject communism and certainly chaos. I believe we need to live in accordance with nature and god while respecting each other. I believe in fair competition, aka capitalism, not corporate conglomerate monopolies.

The republican party fully supports them because they believe in survival of the fittest by any means necessary. For republicans its perfectly ok to exploit poor nations by literaly purchasing their allegience or otherwise threating them with war. Its ok to kill people. Its ok to kill animals. Its ok to irrepparably damage the planet with pollution and disease. For an american conservative the end always justifies the means, as long as they remain in power and get super wealthy.

If all of the above sounds like a mediocre science fiction plot then you are truely ignorant of world affairs and deserve little more than a bucket of pity! As for the democratic party they truely have earned my contempt after going along with the 9-11 cover-up and even sanctioning the 2 major conflicts that have brought us nothing but despair and povetry. All in the name of "patriotic duty" and installing "democracy".

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reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 04:48 PM by MagnumOverDrive

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by MagnumOverDrive

Cultural and religious bigotry are also of a conservative ideology. In fact these are all elitist fallacies born of ignorance, hypocrisy and greed. Since I am white that means I am god's choosen and that gives me the right to kill blacks, jews or any other minority. Sickening!

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What makes you think conservatives are ignorant and racist.
The things you are writing about can be applied to people of all political and religious groups. You can't isolate conservatives, I know people from both parties who fit into your description of a conservative. It sounds to me like you're forgetting some of your history!

The point I was making in this thread is that the Republican party has become to focused on moral issues and not enough on monetary policy.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 05:12 PM by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by MagnumOverDrive

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by MagnumOverDrive

Cultural and religious bigotry are also of a conservative ideology. In fact these are all elitist fallacies born of ignorance, hypocrisy and greed. Since I am white that means I am god's choosen and that gives me the right to kill blacks, jews or any other minority. Sickening!

[edit on 16-9-2009 by EarthCitizen07]

What makes you think conservatives are ignorant and racist.
The things you are writing about can be applied to people of all political and religious groups. You can't isolate conservatives, I know people from both parties who fit into your description of a conservative. It sounds to me like you're forgetting some of your history!

The point I was making in this thread is that the Republican party has become to focused on moral issues and not enough on monetary policy.

I am not talking about exceptions to the rule! Generally speaking liberals are much more tolerant of others than conservatives. They also care more about protecting the enviroment then saving an economy. All of the generalisations I made were true, regardless if you don't like them.

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reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 05:14 PM by Next_Heap_With

I don't like Conservatives..

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 05:20 PM by crimvelvet

reply to post by eldard

The Republican party is becoming extinct. Count on it.

I certainly hope so I hate having to choose between the Banking Cartel Party and The Corporate Cartel Party. No wait ---- they are the same thing with different names are they not.

The Democrats are the Corporate party of course - just look at all the Monsanto people who helped Clinton ratify WTO and NAFTA!

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 05:36 PM by EarthCitizen07

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As it turns out the two parties are different only in theory. In essence they are almost identical because actions speak louder than words. Plus we all know corporations finance BOTH PARTIES so that special interest groups are the only true winners.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 05:36 PM by MagnumOverDrive

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I am not talking about exceptions to the rule! Generally speaking liberals are much more tolerant of others than conservatives. They also care more about protecting the enviroment then saving an economy. All of the generalisations I made were true, regardless if you don't like them.

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I see your point , you are referring to the moral majority who I think has taken the reigns and run it into the ground. You have to admit fiscal policy that is based on overspending , and borrowing should not be a trademark of a political group who calls themselves conservative. In fact I would go so far as to say that the Democratic party is the more conservative party in terms of fiscal issues.

reply posted on 16-9-2009 @ 05:50 PM by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by MagnumOverDrive
I see your point , you are referring to the moral majority who I think has taken the reigns and run it into the ground. You have to admit fiscal policy that is based on overspending , and borrowing should not be a trademark of a political group who calls themselves conservative. In fact I would go so far as to say that the Democratic party is the more conservative party in terms of fiscal issues.

Actually it is my opinion that the republican party is to a great extent using the moral majority inorder to win votes and thus further their banking/corporate world monopoly agenda. Do you disagree?

The democrats are slightly better in balancing the budget as evidenced with the clinton administration. When the democrats spend money most of it goes for social reform whereas the republicans spend it on defense related projects.

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