Iran snubs Barack Obama's nuclear talks

Remember the campaign "promise" that talks with N. Korea and Iran would not be "unconditional?"

It seems that Iran is setting out the conditions rather than Obama, and Obama is accepting them!

Iran has dealt a blow to one of President Barack Obama's most ambitious diplomatic initiatives by dismissing demands to put its nuclear programme at the heart of direct talks with the United States.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

You may recal that, even as he made these "promises," Obama was ALREADY holding UNCONDITIONAL talks with Iranian representatives.

Candidate Obama sent emissaries to Tehran to lay out the groundwork for U.S. capitulation on many political fronts, including threats to Israel.

Unconditional talks with Iran began even before BHO faced the voters in our recent elections!

"Iran Says Obama's Offer To Talk Shows US Failure!"

AFP/Breitbart Report:
www.breitbart.com...

This was covered here on ATS back in January:
"Obama's Secret Iran Talks; Iran Says Shows US Failure"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Less than 48 hours after Washington and its allies reluctantly accepted an offer of face-to-face negotiations from Tehran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, insisted that the topic of greatest interest to the West would not be on the table.

"From the Iranian nation's viewpoint, the nuclear case is closed," he told Britain's ambassador to Tehran, Simon Gass.

Next, we meet one-on-one to give in to N. Korea!

jw

The dear leader responds to the offer of one on one talks by saying they'll test a new nuke soon. Nice one Obama for rewarding them!

reply to post by john124

When they spot diplomatic weakness and lack of spine, the real threats will push as far as they can. They know Obama won't stand up to them.

Hell, he's in a quandry about what to do with the Taliban! Even thinking of one on one with them, too!

jw

I said it last year.

Obama would be a great President in 4 or 8 years. There is to much conflict going on right now for someone so unexpireanced.

Now we will see how Obama acts when someone stands up to him who doesn't mind being called a racist.

Hope he finds a big pair of cajones in the next few weeks.

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Too bad he played his hand in Novemeber last year when he sent representatives to meet in secret without conditions.

They already know he's given in.

jw

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I won't count him out yet.

My dad always told me when I was growing up that you don't have to worry about the loud abbrasive types. Its the quite, reserved, even temper types that have the bad temper.

Obama is very even tempered. Hopefully he has a bad temper behind that sh@t eating grin of his.

reply to post by jd140


Back in 2008, while still a candidate, Obama's reps. met with Iranian reps. and told them he wanted to talk without conditions.

Now, IRAN is setting the terms ("no nukes on the table").

You call THAT strong negotiation? "Even tempered?" That's you're opinion based on appearances. The rest of the world does not share your opinion.

Diplomatically, Obama is perceived as weak. You've forgotten the French, Japanese, N. Koreans, Venezuelans and Germans who've already said that is how THEY perceive him and his administration.

That's why we get pushed around and dismissed in global diplomacy.

jw

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What is the whole situation the the US anyway?

Iran is a waaaaay more peaceful country than the US and is obviously completely sick of the US meddling and Geopolitical destabilization that has done nothing but hold his country and region back in technological and economic advancements since the British and French pulled out of the Middle east.

Fair enough, the US is backing Israel in the whole situation but Iran is a sovereign nation and doesn't want to have to deal with hypocrisy and scare tactics.

Any Nuclear weapons it is developing.. If it is even actually doing so.. are for its own protection from the US and Israel.

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THis does not surprise me one bit. Obama has not earned the respect of anyone up until this point. This is what happens when you hire a paid public speaker to lead your country into ruins.

Obama is all show and no action. He backpedals faster than he can move forward and our enemies can see that as clear as a sunny day. Our government is in shambles, our economy is in the dumps, the dollar is spiraling downward... Why would Mahmoud cooperate with a poser in the White House? Mahmoud would rather deal with those who control Obama.

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Obama is all show and no action.

... Why would Mahmoud cooperate with a poser in the White House? Mahmoud would rather deal with those who control Obama.

star

When even your allies do not respect you, what must your enemies think?

Our foreign policy is a shambles, and now there's talk of the Sec. of State quitting.

Think the world doesn't know this?

jw

reply to post by jdub297


The reason your allies have lost respect for you is because of a) George Bush and his ignorant manner/warmongering foreign policy and b) the great American bubble machine that almost crashed the western economy after decades of bragging about how it is the only sustainable system of growth. All this was done while calling everyone else "Socialist Pussies"

1) Barack Obama didn't ruin your economy, he saved your country from going completely bankrupt.

2) Barack Obama is the only reason why the US has any allies left. The US was about 6 months away from being all but abandoned by the majority of its EU compadres with the way it was carrying on.

Don't you think all your 'Enemies' (which were created by the US foreign policy btw) can see that the US is losing power and influence daily. Also the fact that a line has been crossed in the Muslim world by the west and they are not going to take our # anymore.. especially when Russia and China are allies.

Best option.. Keep trying to mend broken bridges and being nice. Thats as long as its not too late for proactive action. Its possible the Arabic world has been pushed over the edge and has absolutely no time for the US anymore.

Is it not obvious to you that an aggressive foreign policy has led to more and more enemies? then again, an empire needs enemies to make money in this day and age.

reply to post by Dermo


You really don't know, do you?

Our allies have no respect for OBAMA. Sarkozy, Brown, et al have all gone on record regarding their perception of him as "weak."

Our 'enemies' disdain our way of life, generally, and our policy toward Israel, specifically. They've been our enemies during Democratic and Republican administrations. Iran hostages? Jimmy Carter. N. Korea nuclear treaty renunciation? Bill Clinton.

This has nothing to do with left or right.

When your leader procrastinates in tough times (piracy of our ships), wavers on national defense (China, Russia, N. Korea, Iran), and cannot manage his own political party, outsiders will take advantage.

China is stifling dissent. Russia, as well. N. Korea and Iran seek nuclear weapons NOT to defend against (non-existent) American "aggression." Rather, they do so to dominate and bully their regional neighbors.

Any isolation of Iran and N. Korea has been the result of INTERNATIONAL (i.e., UN) sanctions, rather than unliateral action by the U.S.

Deny ignorance.

jw

reply to post by jdub297

When they spot diplomatic weakness and lack of spine, the real threats will push as far as they can. They know Obama won't stand up to them.

Which is exactly why Republicans criticized his apology tour. It made him look like a fool and singled to many of our enemies that he is weak. All of those countries are going to play Obama left and right. Especially Iran and North Korea.

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Show me those "Records" please because that has not happened. I would be confident enough to say that whomever told you that is a liar. There is absolutely no way Gordon Brown would go on record calling Obama weak.

Sarkozy on the other hand? He's French.. I wouldn't take it to heart. He's constantly slagging off every EU leader as well.. Its French culture, its not meant to be offensive.

George Bush turned your allies against you.. Not Obama... FACT.

Example

To Europeans, Obama is certainly no George W. Bush. In 2009, four in five people in the European Union (83%) supported the new US leader's handling of international affairs, compared with just one in five Europeans (20%) who approved of the Bush foreign policy in 2008. Support jumped an astounding 80 percentage points in Germany, 77 points in France and 63 points among the 11 EU nations that GMF surveyed. Europeans have fallen so deeply under the Obama spell that they are considerably more likely to approve of Obama than were his fellow Americans (57%).

Obama-mania has all but reversed anti-Americanism in Europe. Nearly three-quarters of people in the EU (73%) now have a favourable opinion of the US, returning such ratings to their post-Second World War average. In 2008, a plurality of Europeans (48%) backed more independence from the US; in 2009, a plurality (42%) supported closer ties. Such sentiments clearly provide a popular foundation for a revitalisation of American-European ties.

Sarkozy, Brown, Merkel, Barroso and the rest of the EU don't want war.. hence the "Soft Power" they keep trying to push.





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reply to post by Dermo

Show me those "Records" please because that has not happened.

Can't look for it yourself? Afraid what you'll find? Need to be spoonfed?

You've clearly missed Obama's "Apology Tour."

Brown, Merkel and Sarkozy went out of their way to push their respective agendas on Obama, while conceding nothing to him!

Merkel and Sarkozy united to announce the America's economic policy would have to comply with EU standards!

Your socialist PM abdicated British sovereignty while he lauded America's lost economic influence (as personified in Obama's conciliatory stance) as the advent of "globalization."

You were there, weren't you?

U.S. President Barack Obama’s debut in European summitry has been good for Europe but bad for America. While a highly deferential Obama gave in to all of the negotiating demands established by the Europeans, the Europeans in turn exploited Obama’s naïveté and refused to concede to any of his.

Indeed, Obama not only allowed the Europeans to set the agendas of the recent G-20 and NATO summits, but in his zeal to curry favor with the Europeans, Obama even apologized for American primacy.

americanpowerblog.blogspot.com...

All the EU and American press made "records" of the statements and gloating.
jw

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reply to post by jdub297


Eh.. I have. No sign on google or yahoo. I typed "brown calls Obama weak". Any ideas?

So... You lying or what? You cant just throw stuff out as fact when there's no evidence of it online.. AT LEAST.

Also, attempting to insult me by calling my Leader a socialist is futile. I'm Irish.. Gordon Brown is the British Pm. Also, he's not a "Socialist". I don't think there are many Americans that understand the word anyway.

Europe's a big place, I wasn't actually at the speech's.. or even on the land mass where they were held.. but I know what happened.
Bush wouldn't visit the Eu because he wouldve been told to take a hike. Obama got support but no hop or concessions. But did he deserve any? The US foreign policy had done nothing but give hassle to the EU for the previous half decade.

Now ye have renewed trust from us. Fair enough, it's obvious you don't like Obama but there are other ways to deal with people and countries than threatening and force.

That's why Obama is liked.

The US is disliked because of bad policy before him.

I don't want to be arguing with you over something thats off topic but its pretty obvious that half your country loves him and half hate him. The half that dislike him seem to use any excuse necessary to make him seem like the worst thing to ever possibly happen to your country when the legacy was obviously left by Bush. Obama simply inherited it.

Thats just from an outside perspective with no bias towards any American political party.

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Also, that blog is excessive and completely pro US empire nationalist right wing tripe. The person who wrote it hates the fact that a Us president is acknowledging that the US is wrong in it's previous actions that have devastated countries and killed millions.

Simple as.

Iran's leader must choose wisely. It's either one or the other.

reply to post by Dermo

Gordon Brown is the British Pm. Also, he's not a "Socialist". I don't think there are many Americans that understand the word anyway.

Your opinion doesn't matter.

What does Socialist International think?

The first meeting of the SI Commission for a Sustainable World Society took place at 10 Downing Street on Monday 19 November, hosted by Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Leader of the British Labour Party, where members of the Commission, the President and Secretary General of the Socialist International, along with Ministers from the British government, took part in an exchange of views.

From the very beginning, the PM's socialist ideology was evident:

Gordon Brown has just finished his first speech to the Labour Party as Prime Minister. It was a laundry list of socialist policies, peppered with the occasional nod to social conservatism.

corner.nationalreview.com...

take it for what you will

jw

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reply to post by jdub297


My opinion doesn't matter?
Thats a great thing to say when you are writing this "Deny ignorance. " at the end of your posts. Lil bit of Hypocrisy IMO.

At least im not making stuff up to push my points.

Over and out!

Ps. Those quotes are speculative.
1) Social policies does not mean socialism.
2) Having a social safety net is a must have in EU countries.. we demand it because we hate the idea of our own people suffering. Its not socialism, Its social democratic capitalism.


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